Is 3D dead? (on 3D Blu-ray and 3D TVs)

[Brian81]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

4K UHD-BD has no 3D specification. It doesn't exist nor will it. You know this but you keep making these incorrect statements giving false hope.



Speaking of false hope, nothiing has changed since they stopped making 3D TVs. All the issues and problems are still the same.

I don't even care if there WERE a 4K 3D, but it'd be nice to have the color benefits of 4K with it.

[Jlardonio]

Originally Posted by worknstiff

Why is it that no one see 3D as a NATURAL extension of VR? Remember the old tech viewmasters in the 70's that allowed you to see slides in 3D. VR is set to make watching 3D movies easier than having huge tv's and 3D glasses. VR is 3D glasses taken to the next level. How about a 120" TV only a 1/2 inch from your pupils with 3840 x 2160 in each eye at 120-Hz refresh rate. I'm ready for that.

The amount of blue light coming from a VR device into the user eyes could be the most harm for someone if compared to a TV. And with a TV/projector you can watch anything 3D with other people as compared with VR it's only one person per device.

[lucasatakros]

Originally Posted by Joe D.

The necessity of 3D glasses will still be there but I don't think that will be a negative factor if another attempt is made. Just don't repeat the overhype and let it be an added feature.

It would have been great if manufacturers had made it easier to identify the compatibility of items- or even clearly state what was needed. But no, they had to try and protect their market share and confuse the hell out of everyone....active, passive, DLP, etc. etc.

It took a ridiculous amount of effort to find out my transmitter/active glasses use the ZigBee frequency (Optoma and Estar). How about coming up with standard symbols or color coded glasses symbols on the packages to show compatibility between devices and the glasses. Oh, I need green or blue coded glasses to work with my TV or projector.... It might still have been confusing but it could have worked better. Oh, you have a Panasonic TV? Those will work with Yellow coded (for passive glasses) or Red coded (for active RF glasses). Oh, your Bit Cauldron transmitter has a blue color coded glasses symbol on the box- you need blue coded glasses.

It could have been made as easy as seeing if you needed AA or AAA batteries for the new toy and not a major research project to buy expensive glasses and irritate/alienate your customers.

[Joe D.]

Originally Posted by lucasatakros

It would have been great if manufacturers had made it easier to identify the compatibility of items- or even clearly state what was needed. But no, they had to try and protect their market share and confuse the hell out of everyone....active, passive, DLP, etc. etc.

It took a ridiculous amount of effort to find out my transmitter/active glasses use the ZigBee frequency (Optoma and Estar). How about coming up with standard symbols or color coded glasses symbols on the packages to show compatibility between devices and the glasses. Oh, I need green or blue coded glasses to work with my TV or projector.... It might still have been confusing but it could have worked better. Oh, you have a Panasonic TV? Those will work with Yellow coded (for passive glasses) or Red coded (for active RF glasses). Oh, your Bit Cauldron transmitter has a blue color coded glasses symbol on the box- you need blue coded glasses.

It could have been made as easy as seeing if you needed AA or AAA batteries for the new toy and not a major research project to buy expensive glasses and irritate/alienate your customers.

Hi Lucasatakros,

Absolutely right. There should have been a standard where all active glases were compatible with all active sets., including simple bluetooth connectivity. We now know that was easy to do by the many generic brands working with all sets. Not familiar with passive glasses so didn't know discrepancies existed even with them.

And if televisions with the 3D feature do again come to market, let them all be by agreed upon standards as best as possible.

[2ndvizio]

Actually Bluetooth glasses are all compatible and the generics brands all work because of a standard. So that's all active TVs and LCD projectors that use Bluetooth. But it was this standard that might have caused the downfall for 3d tvs. Name brand 3d glasses were expensive and the companies can make more money selling the glasses that go with their 3d tvs. With generics, they lost that money. More likely it was because of cheap LCD tvs though so more expensive 3d tvs could not compete.

[8traxrule]

On the other hand, there are still people (like me) willing to pay thousands rather than hundreds for a high quality display- but when you do spend that much you expect it to be able to do everything.

[DVD Josh]

Originally Posted by 2ndvizio

Actually Bluetooth glasses are all compatible and the generics brands all work because of a standard. So that's all active TVs and LCD projectors that use Bluetooth. But it was this standard that might have caused the downfall for 3d tvs. Name brand 3d glasses were expensive and the companies can make more money selling the glasses that go with their 3d tvs. With generics, they lost that money. More likely it was because of cheap LCD tvs though so more expensive 3d tvs could not compete.

I believe at least one of my active TVs uses RF instead of BT.

[flasher777]

I actually purchased an LG 3D TV a few years back when the 3D craze started and suddenly died. But I'm glad I have the TV it can convert any show or movie I am watching into 3D and uses the same glasses they give out in the movie theaters. It's a shame it died so fast but I really hope the future 4K 8K displays come with some sick 3D.

[Daytrader]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XiZSTLp9q8

[BLMN]

Originally Posted by Daytrader

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XiZSTLp9q8

Lmao when the video cuts off

One of those unknown brands has a better video demo of one with a bottle that you can tell is a little past the TV bezel but it did not look that impressive. I still believe this tech needs more improvement and its not ready yet.

[Kuroneko]

My fear has come true. My 3D OLED 4K screen is showing signs of burn in. It's 5 years old. I was really hoping it could last for at least 8 years. I have so many 3D blurays. It saddens me to never be able to use them anymore. It was fantastic while It lasted. Such a shame I can't buy a new 3D screen.

[Joe D.]

Originally Posted by Kuroneko

My fear has come true. My 3D OLED 4K screen is showing signs of burn in. It's 5 years old. I was really hoping it could last for at least 8 years. I have so many 3D blurays. It saddens me to never be able to use them anymore. It was fantastic while It lasted. Such a shame I can't buy a new 3D screen.

Hi kuroneko

Very sorry to learn your screen is developing burn in. Have you considered looking for unopened box sets and wish you luck if you do.

[Kuroneko]

Originally Posted by Joe D.

Hi kuroneko

Very sorry to learn your screen is developing burn in. Have you considered looking for unopened box sets and wish you luck if you do.

What do you mean with "unopened box sets"?

You mean a second hand screen? I have the last LG model with 3D. It's from 2016 and I purchaded one in december 2017. These models are having burn ins so I'm not really put much faith in a good second hand one.

[emailking]

I've been suffering through it for 3 years now. I have news logos burned in from my 2017 viewing, but those weren't so bad to be honest, usually didn't show up. But burn in from the black bars at the top and bottom are there like 25% time now for full screen content and I have no option but to just live with it.

[Kuroneko]

Originally Posted by emailking

I've been suffering through it for 3 years now. I have news logos burned in from my 2017 viewing, but those weren't so bad to be honest, usually didn't show up. But burn in from the black bars at the top and bottom are there like 25% time now for full screen content and I have no option but to just live with it.

All the claims that you can use it for 30.000 or even 100.000 hours are completely false unfortunately. I've read a lot of this issue from other people. I don't even let my screen set on the same channel for hours. I mostly watch blurays. So how this happens? I have a logo from an app burnt in and it's an app we hardly use. So strange.

The screen is still fine, great image. It's those few damn spots that annoy the hell out of me.

[Hydra Spectre]

Let's hope the Nintendo Switch Pro would have the glasses-free 3D from the 3DS back.
And also its dual screens. With both screens being glasses-free 3D OLEDs with traditional glasses 3DTV compatibility in Docked mode.

Still, I'm praying LG would bring back 3D support for the 2024 OLED models.
Implementing 3D on newer TVs is practically nothing, and they just discontinued it because they think the demand is low. Just like how analogue ports have all but disappeared from modern TVs. (analogue signals look awful directly connected to a modern TV, though, better to connect them to a CRT or with an external scaler like a RetroTINK or an OSSC)

[Kuroneko]

I also heard it is very bad for the environment to make 3D screens. I never read any indication of the return of 3D screens so I don't think they will return in 2024. It's a real bummer. I enjoyed watching 3D blurays.

[Joe D.]

Originally Posted by Kuroneko

What do you mean with "unopened box sets"?

You mean a second hand screen? I have the last LG model with 3D. It's from 2016 and I purchaded one in december 2017. These models are having burn ins so I'm not really put much faith in a good second hand one.

Hi Kuroneko

Sorry, meant "open box". Found this definition:

An open-box item refers to one with an opened box that is often resealed or repackaged by the reseller. It's worth noting that an open-box product is also just an opened box, meaning the contents inside (the original product) are brand new and unused.

[Jay G.]

Originally Posted by Joe D.

Hi Kuroneko

Sorry, meant "open box".

It's very unlikely there will be any "open box" items left for models released in 2016.

The LG 3D OLED models from 2016:
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/article...&id=1459247590
65” LG OLED65G6P
77” LG OLED77G6P
55” LG OLED55E6P
65” LG OLED65E6P
55” LG OLED55C6P
65” LG OLED65C6P

There's listings for used or "pre-owned" ones on eBay, but you're going to likely have to deal with burn-in on those, since they were likely used for several years.

This listing is pretty upfront about the burn-in on the set they're selling:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/234855048471

[GiorgioV]

Originally Posted by Kuroneko

I also heard it is very bad for the environment to make 3D screens. I never read any indication of the return of 3D screens so I don't think they will return in 2024. It's a real bummer. I enjoyed watching 3D blurays.

...? How so? :-|