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Old 11-26-2017, 08:09 PM   #1
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Need to upgrade soon and I know 2.1 is coming. Want this to be my last purchase for a while. I have not seen any specs on any of the new 2018 gear including 2.1 yet. Any word on any companies including it, or is this another wait till CES...
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Need to upgrade soon and I know 2.1 is coming. Want this to be my last purchase for a while. I have not seen any specs on any of the new 2018 gear including 2.1 yet. Any word on any companies including it, or is this another wait till CES...
There is never going to be a last purchase when you want to keep up with the changes. What do you get with HDMI 2.1 that you can't have with HDMI 2.0?
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There is never going to be a last purchase when you want to keep up with the changes. What do you get with HDMI 2.1 that you can't have with HDMI 2.0?
More bandwidth and at least 7-10 years of future proofing seems to be a good reason to wait less than a year, no? Maybe I am wrong, but 2018 seems to be the year to upgrade, especially if your current AVR is from 2008-09 . I wish the manufacturers would start releasing some specs on 2018 models, as I have not seen anything posted, hence my starting this thread. I assume they are waiting for CES to unleash information, but there may be something already out there, not sure. 2.1 seems to be the 'end all' for HDMI, possibly for the next 10 years, which is fine with me. Yes, 2.0 is fine now, but may not be in 3-4 years, which is my point. Again, seems to be the 'solution' for video for a long while. Audio seems to be fine for years to come too with firmware upgrade, especially with 'connected' receivers, which were not around in 2008-09.
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Old 06-24-2018, 06:22 PM   #4
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As far as I understand it, eARC is the biggie and imminent benefit of 2.1.

If only eARC had come before HDR.
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Old 06-24-2018, 06:41 PM   #5
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timeframe? :: earliest (real products) will be early 2019

look to CES 2019 for announcements (possibly CEDIA 2018)

certification and hardware should be, beginning in late 2018

note :: i too, am wanting to make a purchase, with the long timeframe in mind (waiting also - patience is required though) :: be careful at the early stages though





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These will be included on 8K devices. Some TV's in some areas supposed to be out in the fall....but prices will be very high. I'd wait till spring/summer 2019 at the earliest.

8K compat is another plus for this standard, as well as the increase for 4K. IMO, its worth the wait.
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Same question as the OP here. I want to get an Arcam receiver, but I want to wait until they have the HDMI 2.1 spec. My receiver is old and only has 2 output, most modern receiver have 6 or 7. My receiver is pushing 11 years old.
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Old 08-15-2018, 10:45 PM   #8
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Possible HDMI 2.1 certified products in 2019-2020 time frame. Maybe HDMI 2.1 on flagship A/V receivers in 2019 and then in 2020 all or most the rest of the A/V receivers may have HDMI 2.1.


HDMI 2.1 is really only needed for HDR10+ and native 8K and native 10K video (though some Blu-ray players might be able to do HDR10+ without using the official HDM 2.1 specs).


I am all for the latest and greatest HDMI interface which well be HDMI 2.1 then later on a newer version might be created. However the 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray format works fine at up to 60fps using HDMI 2.0b. To take advantage of HDMI 2.1 we need a new video format that offers native 120fps 4K Ultra HD or native 60fps 8K. The first generation A/V receivers that offer HDMI 2.1 are not going to offer native 8K pass through most likely.

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Old 08-15-2018, 11:43 PM   #9
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won't everything in the hdmi chain have to be 2.1 to be fully compliant to take advantage of the 2.1 spec? if that's the case that means one's input devices for the receiver, the viewing monitor (or projector) all have to be upgraded for this to work through properly. also, you'd have to have content designed to give the level of video and audio that this new 2.1 will be able to handle to make it all worthwhile.

how soon do you guys think it will take for all those things to be on a level playing field. won't that include broadcast tv and streaming services too?

I'm not saying all of this is true, I'm asking based on my understanding of things. I would suspect it's gonna be a while. I mean, friends of mine are still happy with DVD's in stores and are unhappy that they are slowly being forced to have to buy HD Blu-ray. those same people get audio from their tv for movies from their players which some of them are, yes, wait for it, DVD players.
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Native 10K and 8K video (which is not even offered in theaters yet) well need the A/V receiver, display, and everything in the chain to be HDMI 2.1 or greater plus the equipment must also handle 10K 24fps and 8K up to 60fps frame rate. If the first generation equipment uses HDMI 2.1, just because HDMI 2.1 is being used does not mean the equipment is going to pass 10K and 8K video. We may even need a new version of HDCP for 8K or 10K video sources.


Therefore when using the 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray format with standard HDR10 and Dolby Vision HDR there well be no picture and sound quality difference when mixing HDMI 2.1 equipment with HDMI 2.0b equipment since HDMI 2.1 is backwards compatible with HDMI 2.0b and even backwards compatible with HDMI 1.3 equipment.


Its only when and if around the year 2026 studios start releasing 8K download and streaming movies in 8K quality well HDMI 2.1 with 8K equipment that offers 8K pass through become important (and hopefully also 8K optical discs). We do not even have commercial IMAX and Dolby Vision theaters with 8K DLP projectors yet. They all use dual 4K DLP projectors as far as I am aware.

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Therefore when using the 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray format with standard HDR10 and Dolby Vision HDR there well be no picture and sound quality difference when mixing HDMI 2.1 equipment with HDMI 2.0b equipment since HDMI 2.1 is backwards compatible with HDMI 2.0b and even backwards compatible with HDMI 1.3 equipment.
eARC is an immediate 2.1 benefit from the new format for those with dedicated audio equipment even for users just using 1080p still. Both the TV and receiver/soundbar must be 2.1 compatible, but I don't think it matters if the player/streamer etc. is.
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