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Old 03-23-2023, 08:49 PM   #101
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EDIT: New Tech demo for Unreal 5 regarding PS5's potential when developers start making games just for PS5 more often hopefully soon. Not everything has to be realistic, but this is good to see.

The thing about using Unreal's pre-made graphics is that it saves the developer time from having to build all that stuff from the ground up, depending on the artistic style of the game. Other games could be more artistic with all original graphics.



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Even cross-gen games like Horizon Forbidden West deserve to be mentioned. Sure, it looks good on the PS4, but it was the best looking video game at the time it came out. Whether it looks good on the PS4 or not, a game like that still looks obviously better on the PS5.

Forspoken is actually a perfect example of why people need to step back and put more thought into some of their criticisms of this console generation so far. The reason why there are games out there that don't even offer 60 FPS or all the way down to 1080p at 60 FPS is not hardware limitations. It's the developers just not doing a good enough job. Sure, first party studios traditionally do better work on their own console than a third party developer (especially in the case of PlayStation Studios), but a lot of the blame should be put on the developers. Insomniac can put out games at a fairly high resolution at 60 FPS and offer several performance modes. Going third party, Capcom is one that seems to be already rolling along as Resident Evil 4 looks great and runs Dynamic 4K at 60 FPS. People all tend to forget that we are only 2+ years in.
Making games with foundations to run on PS4s is the reason many developers aren't putting in the extra effort for games ported up to PS5.
But if PS5 was such a strong console, shouldn't it be able to easily handle a simple PS4 game but adding 4K and 60 fps?

That's where skilled optimization is required by the developers and if they're not willing to put in the effort and go back over everything, we end up with lots of pop in, chugging frame rates, texture pop in, jagged edges non-4K resolution on PS5 of ported upgraded PS4 games.

As far as Horizon 2, it looks great even on a PS4 Pro as a base PS4 game despite what Guerilla Games claims. If it was built for PS5 from the ground up, then it wouldn't be able to run at all on PS4 so I don't believe them other than maybe some special PS5 effects.
But even Guerilla had a heck of a challenge months after the release to get it running better on PS5.
4K 30 fps was my go to mode until they improved the jagged resolution from launch of 60 fps mode. But they finally got it looking really good for 60 fps, proving it's possible with enough work, to optimize a PS4 game into 4K 60 fps.



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Sony has already proven the liquid metal thing is BS there are no issues keeping the console vertical at all.

https://gamerant.com/ps5-vertical-se...20it%20is%20in.

https://kotaku.com/ps5-playstation-5...ube-1849981264
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For some reason, the PS5 reminds me of the curved inward design of the 360, so I've accepted keeping it on its side at this point. But yeah, I wouldn't doubt if it was all BS from websites seeking attention. PS consoles have had their share of issues though, regardless of what Sony might ever admit.

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Old 03-23-2023, 10:52 PM   #102
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Iím going to have to admit Iím just not feeling a pro model. PS4 desperately needed it I donít feel like thereís any need for an update for the PS5 especially when we havenít even got games that fully take advantage of the hardware yet.

Short of my PS5 actually dying I donít see myself getting another one until PS6 launches.
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Old 03-23-2023, 11:28 PM   #103
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We're 3 years into the lifespan of the PS5 and there are 4 (FOUR) true next-gen games that are only available on the PS5 and not PS4:

Demon's Souls
Returnal
Ratchet & Clank
Destruction AllStars

Unless you want to count the practically-demo Astrobot game, then that's 5.
This generation hasn't even really begun yet people are talking about the PS5 Pro and PS6? Give me a friggin break.
Last of Us? yeah it has a PS4 version but like Demon's Souls it's a remake of a PS3 game.
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Old 03-24-2023, 09:05 AM   #104
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Last of Us? yeah it has a PS4 version but like Demon's Souls it's a remake of a PS3 game.
It's also a bit interesting to me though, how if you take into account that some games now get a PC release, the amount of PS5 only exclusives this generation could dwindle. That said, Last of Us Part 1 as a remake, yeah i guess on a technical basis you could class as an exclusive for PS5 but in terms of wholly new IPs, there's definitely been a huge reduction at this point in the console life compared to PS4.

Personally i won't llet them use the COVID-19 pandemic excuse as that could explain chip shortages and initially being affected, but the majority of companies adapted with remote working strategies and we've been more back to normal for a while now. You can't keep using that excuse of a pandemic to hide ineptitude.
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It's also a bit interesting to me though, how if you take into account that some games now get a PC release, the amount of PS5 only exclusives this generation could dwindle. That said, Last of Us Part 1 as a remake, yeah i guess on a technical basis you could class as an exclusive for PS5 but in terms of wholly new IPs, there's definitely been a huge reduction at this point in the console life compared to PS4.

Personally i won't llet them use the COVID-19 pandemic excuse as that could explain chip shortages and initially being affected, but the majority of companies adapted with remote working strategies and we've been more back to normal for a while now. You can't keep using that excuse of a pandemic to hide ineptitude.
After the pre order fiasco chip shortages are Bullshit. Seeing scalpers with 200+ consoles in their basements, no **** that chip shortages my ass.
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Old 03-24-2023, 12:46 PM   #106
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After the pre order fiasco chip shortages are Bullshit. Seeing scalpers with 200+ consoles in their basements, no **** that chip shortages my ass.
Let's look at this objectively. Scalping was not actually the majority of the console sales. Majority of them went to consumers but because of the way social media and Internet algorithms feed you crap, they blew up the Scalping issue to act as if its the majority.

PS5 supply issues are still persisting to the point where i wouldn't say you could on average still walk into any store and just buy it, but it has significantly improved and the chip shortages were a global issue affecting more than just consoles but also cars etc.

I'd argue scalping accounted for less than 10% of sales. Even that is imo a hugely exaggerated figure with it likely being 5% or less tbh. Also, the fact that you have those people able to use software to scalp that many consoles, you're probably looking at less than 0.5% if not significantly lower able to do that. Most "scalping" is still done in the same way by the majority of people where you sign up and have to checkout, so the fact that somebody did that maybe for a couple consoles to help pay for bills etc. and had to do the same effort, i have no issues with it at all.

I see a lot of whinging online acting as if Little Timmy not getting a PS5 for Christmas was a crime against humanity when it's a luxury purchase and stupid how people put themselves into debt for Christmas etc.

People of course should feel its wrong to allow AI automated software to checkout and buy consoles faster than any humans, but i have no issues with people buying multiple consoles when they had to put the same effort forth. You're also on the hook financially in terms of a risk to try make a so called "quick buck".
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$200!!! I know off topic, but this is pretty funny looking back.
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Old 03-24-2023, 03:49 PM   #108
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$200!!! I know off topic, but this is pretty funny looking back.
That's about 450.00 in today's dollars. Fairly comparable but yeah, 200.00 seems quaint now. LOL.
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An official thread for something thats allgedly not coming for another 5 years?
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It would be nice just to get actual PS5 games made for just PS5 not games that work with both PS4 and PS5. Yet here we are talking about PS6
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Old 03-24-2023, 11:15 PM   #111
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Let's look at this objectively. Scalping was not actually the majority of the console sales. Majority of them went to consumers but because of the way social media and Internet algorithms feed you crap, they blew up the Scalping issue to act as if its the majority.

PS5 supply issues are still persisting to the point where i wouldn't say you could on average still walk into any store and just buy it, but it has significantly improved and the chip shortages were a global issue affecting more than just consoles but also cars etc.

I'd argue scalping accounted for less than 10% of sales. Even that is imo a hugely exaggerated figure with it likely being 5% or less tbh. Also, the fact that you have those people able to use software to scalp that many consoles, you're probably looking at less than 0.5% if not significantly lower able to do that. Most "scalping" is still done in the same way by the majority of people where you sign up and have to checkout, so the fact that somebody did that maybe for a couple consoles to help pay for bills etc. and had to do the same effort, i have no issues with it at all.

I see a lot of whinging online acting as if Little Timmy not getting a PS5 for Christmas was a crime against humanity when it's a luxury purchase and stupid how people put themselves into debt for Christmas etc.

People of course should feel its wrong to allow AI automated software to checkout and buy consoles faster than any humans, but i have no issues with people buying multiple consoles when they had to put the same effort forth. You're also on the hook financially in terms of a risk to try make a so called "quick buck".
I'm not sure about 5% of sales going to resellers. For over 2 solid years after I got my PS5 at launch by total luck the September morning after the big Sony pre-order PS5 announcement State of Play, out of curiosity I would visit online stores of Target, Walmart, Amazon, Gamestop, Best Buy, and several days a week, check to see if people could easily acquire a PS5. In over 2+ years of 2021, 2022, not a single time was I ever able to find a console for sale.
The stores always said Out of Stock. I would check odd times too, when fewer people were awake. I could see there was a major shortage compared to how easy it was to pre-order my PS4 back in September 2013 or so.

Script bots allow resellers with lots of cash to spend, visit the store site, then in an instant, secure many console PS5 sales faster than any human could. So it would explain the times I had it in my cart ready to check out, only to be told about 20 times that it's out of stock. I kept trying and then just gave up till that lucky next morning in September 2020, when hardly anybody was awake in the US.

I think it's probably fair to say that there are maybe 5 to 10% of buyers who are resellers, that hoarded 60 to 70% of PS5 consoles as there was a drought like I've never seen before. Unless there were so few consoles even being offered, that it just seemed like it was next to impossible to find a PS5 for most.

But even to this day, I have never seen a PS5 in stock in any walk-in Walmart, Best Buy, Target or retailer. 3 years into PS5's lifespan.

The easiest way currently for a new PS5 at retail price is to order directly from Sony.

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Iím going to have to admit Iím just not feeling a pro model. PS4 desperately needed it I donít feel like thereís any need for an update for the PS5 especially when we havenít even got games that fully take advantage of the hardware yet.

Short of my PS5 actually dying I donít see myself getting another one until PS6 launches.
Same here. Nothing against anyone looking to upgrade to PS5 Pro if it happens, but I'm fine with PS5's base model. It's a solid console, but I'm not in the mood to spend another $499+ for a slightly faster version that can do what the PS5 should be doing with 4K 60 fps output.
The extra internal storage can be easily solved with a new internal SSD or cheaper yet, an external 3.0 USB Hard Drive 4TB or more. Just storing the less played PS5 games and ready to play PS4 games on it and rotating as needed.

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It would be nice just to get actual PS5 games made for just PS5 not games that work with both PS4 and PS5. Yet here we are talking about PS6
Yes, hopefully late 2023 is the year AAA developers finally catch up to PS5 Indie developers offering PS5 specific games.

I think the days of AAA developers offering the majority of big, new games is ending aside from some steady offerings from WB and Capcom. Most of my PS5 entertainment gaming is from mid to smaller developers/publishers, which I'm grateful for.

Ubisoft even said they're phasing out of gaming to a large extent. They were a major contributor of open world games back up to 2020. It's been mostly silent with new games since then. And lots of canceled/eternally stalled projects like Wild, Beyond Good & Evil 2, Skulls & Bones, Avatar Frontiers, with series like Watch Dogs probably going extinct.

A new mid to smaller developer/publisher is releasing Atlas Fallen specifically for PS5 this May 2023 that looks promising as one example.
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I'm not sure about 5% of sales going to resellers. For over 2 solid years after I got my PS5 at launch by total luck the September morning after the big Sony pre-order PS5 announcement State of Play, out of curiosity I would visit online stores of Target, Walmart, Amazon, Gamestop, Best Buy, and several days a week, check to see if people could easily acquire a PS5. In over 2+ years of 2021, 2022, not a single time was I ever able to find a console for sale.
The stores always said Out of Stock. I would check odd times too, when fewer people were awake. I could see there was a major shortage compared to how easy it was to pre-order my PS4 back in September 2013 or so.

Script bots allow resellers with lots of cash to spend, visit the store site, then in an instant, secure many console PS5 sales faster than any human could. So it would explain the times I had it in my cart ready to check out, only to be told about 20 times that it's out of stock. I kept trying and then just gave up till that lucky next morning in September 2020, when hardly anybody was awake in the US.

I think it's probably fair to say that there are maybe 5 to 10% of buyers who are resellers, that hoarded 60 to 70% of PS5 consoles as there was a drought like I've never seen before. Unless there were so few consoles even being offered, that it just seemed like it was next to impossible to find a PS5 for most.

But even to this day, I have never seen a PS5 in stock in any walk-in Walmart, Best Buy, Target or retailer. 3 years into PS5's lifespan.

The easiest way currently for a new PS5 at retail price is to order directly from Sony.



Same here. Nothing against anyone looking to upgrade to PS5 Pro if it happens, but I'm fine with PS5's base model. It's a solid console, but I'm not in the mood to spend another $499+ for a slightly faster version that can do what the PS5 should be doing with 4K 60 fps output.
The extra internal storage can be easily solved with a new internal SSD or cheaper yet, an external 3.0 USB Hard Drive 4TB or more. Just storing the less played PS5 games and ready to play PS4 games on it and rotating as needed.



Yes, hopefully late 2023 is the year AAA developers finally catch up to PS5 Indie developers offering PS5 specific games.

I think the days of AAA developers offering the majority of big, new games is ending aside from some steady offerings from WB and Capcom. Most of my PS5 entertainment gaming is from mid to smaller developers/publishers, which I'm grateful for.

Ubisoft even said they're phasing out of gaming to a large extent. They were a major contributor of open world games back up to 2020. It's been mostly silent with new games since then. And lots of canceled/eternally stalled projects like Wild, Beyond Good & Evil 2, Skulls & Bones, Avatar Frontiers, with series like Watch Dogs probably going extinct.

A new mid to smaller developer/publisher is releasing Atlas Fallen specifically for PS5 this May 2023 that looks promising as one example.
The problem with these sort of things is that we can never provide hard data usually but to say 60-70% of the PS5 supply was bought up by scalpers is just absolutely insane and i'm fairly confident debunking that. Don't forget, that when there was huge sellout demand, what would happen is that retailers would plan to restock at certain times and online twitter pages etc. would alert people X, Y, Z retailers will be doing so at such times. Because of this, you'd see them sell out really quickly within minutes or hours.

Stock issues still haven't eased imo to where we can freely walk into many stores and buy, but i don't see many complaints about scalpers etc. like the launch period which imo is a whinging point for a LOT of people across not just consoles but anything and everything popular that sells online.

It's mind boggling to me that we live in societies drenches in corporate greed with markups of 100s or 1000s of % on medicines, but people cry more over PS5 consoles selling for hundreds of dollars over retail at launch by scalpers. At the end of the day, if nobody bought from them, then there'd be no demand and nobody doing it. The fact there is, that means there's a sub market for resellers and i said it before, bot based algorithms should be illegal to use but an individual with tenacity to sit there and try manually checkout and buy things even with the intent to resell i don't have an issue with that.
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The problem with these sort of things is that we can never provide hard data usually but to say 60-70% of the PS5 supply was bought up by scalpers is just absolutely insane and i'm fairly confident debunking that. Don't forget, that when there was huge sellout demand, what would happen is that retailers would plan to restock at certain times and online twitter pages etc. would alert people X, Y, Z retailers will be doing so at such times. Because of this, you'd see them sell out really quickly within minutes or hours.

Stock issues still haven't eased imo to where we can freely walk into many stores and buy, but i don't see many complaints about scalpers etc. like the launch period which imo is a whinging point for a LOT of people across not just consoles but anything and everything popular that sells online.

It's mind boggling to me that we live in societies drenches in corporate greed with markups of 100s or 1000s of % on medicines, but people cry more over PS5 consoles selling for hundreds of dollars over retail at launch by scalpers. At the end of the day, if nobody bought from them, then there'd be no demand and nobody doing it. The fact there is, that means there's a sub market for resellers and i said it before, bot based algorithms should be illegal to use but an individual with tenacity to sit there and try manually checkout and buy things even with the intent to resell i don't have an issue with that.
You know I donít think there is a single store in the UK that actually sells consoles anymore to be able to walk in and buy one.

Maybe Smyths toys and GAME but other than that it seems like consoles can mostly only be purchased online these days.

Before Tesco stopped selling video games they only stocked the Switch. They had 2 deliveries of XBox Series X and only ever had the initial batch of pre ordered PS5 stock.
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You know I donít think there is a single store in the UK that actually sells consoles anymore to be able to walk in and buy one.

Maybe Smyths toys and GAME but other than that it seems like consoles can mostly only be purchased online these days.

Before Tesco stopped selling video games they only stocked the Switch. They had 2 deliveries of XBox Series X and only ever had the initial batch of pre ordered PS5 stock.
Yeah, unfortunately the high street options have reduced, but Smyths, Currys, Argos, PC World and GAME are something that does spring to mind. I think HMV used to but i don't know if they do anymore. You do have Asda i think and Sainsbury's still selling games but maybe not to the same levels and not sure on consoles.

I buy a lot of my games online these days but occasionally will go into some stores like Smyths or GAME if there's an amazing offer. Rarely though it is.
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The PS5 is now using a newer, slightly more efficient and stable APU of a smaller size. A PS5 Pro would be a further step up, with the latest Zen APU tech paired with Samsung's upgraded GDDR6 - they just came out with a power-optimized/refined/higher-capacity and higher-performing version of GDDR6 for console and video card design replacements, as well as another high-performance leap with GDDR6W - and better DDR4 RAM or a jump to DDR5, to round out the performance increase under the hood.
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Same here. Nothing against anyone looking to upgrade to PS5 Pro if it happens, but I'm fine with PS5's base model. It's a solid console, but I'm not in the mood to spend another $499+ for a slightly faster version that can do what the PS5 should be doing with 4K 60 fps output.
The extra internal storage can be easily solved with a new internal SSD or cheaper yet, an external 3.0 USB Hard Drive 4TB or more. Just storing the less played PS5 games and ready to play PS4 games on it and rotating as needed.
I'm certainly not waiting with baited breath or anything, but if it happens, I'll be there day one. Why not? And besides, with a trade in of the PS5 base machine it wouldn't be 500+. I'd probably end up paying 200.00 or so out of pocket. That's perfectly acceptable to me for a mid-gen refresh. If people are willing to spend 200+ on a controller, then they shouldn't have any problem spending it on an upgraded PS5.

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Old 03-25-2023, 11:40 AM   #117
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An official thread for something thats allgedly not coming for another 5 years?
If at all too. That is a small possibility that there will not be a PS6.

Just a PS App on your TV.
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I'm certainly not waiting with baited breath or anything, but if it happens, I'll be there day one. Why not? And besides, with a trade in of the PS5 base machine it wouldn't be 500+. I'd probably end up paying 200.00 or so out of pocket. That's perfectly acceptable to me for a mid-gen refresh. If people are willing to spend 200+ on a controller, then they shouldn't have any problem spending it on an upgraded PS5.
I think again, we need to keep things in perspective. The Pro models are imo targeted at a more "Enthusiast" market niche rather than the majority even if the PS4 Pro seemed to come as a means to fill the 4K TV explosion.

PS5 Pro would do "more of the same" for those who choose to buy it and i have no issues with that for those willing to pay for that to happen. I didn't get a PS4 Pro because i didn't have a 4K TV, but this time around i am much more open to it and like you, possibly by even trading my console in.
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An official thread for something thats allgedly not coming for another 5 years?
No an official thread for information as it is trickling out. Where else are we supposed to organize info as it comes in.
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No an official thread for information as it is trickling out. Where else are we supposed to organize info as it comes in.
But there is no information, nor will there be any information for years. We are still early in the PS5 generation, and likely even earlier than it would normally appear given how the pandemic slowed the advancement of this generation in several ways until recently. Nothing personal, but just pointing that out.

Carry on, it doesn't really matter to me, but I did think it was a little odd seeing a thread for the PS6 when it first appeared. Oh well.
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