Pausing Blu-rays

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Third world problems...

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by DGates01

Isn't that what people with Alzheimer's do?

no it is what people that want to enjoy a film do unlike people that want to waste time.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by slimdude

If anybody's time is going to occupied, or busy trying to do other things, and need to pause a movie numerous of time, they shouldn't bother to watch it. Complete all your endeavors, or whatever is keeping you distracted, then sit down, and watch the movie. If I was in the middle of preparing dinner, painting a room, repairing my car, etc, you think I'm going to start watching a movie in the meantime, if none of those jobs were finished? No.

agree, it has nothing to do with luck or Alzheimer's , like some poeple try to pretend. It has to do with choices, why start a film that is not child appropriate at 7 while they are playing so that you need to stop it when you go to put them to bed at 8, start it at 9 when they are sleeping tight and enjoy the film.

[cricepng]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

agree, it has nothing to do with luck or Alzheimer's , like some poeple try to pretend. It has to do with choices, why start a film that is not child appropriate at 7 while they are playing so that you need to stop it when you go to put them to bed at 8, start it at 9 when they are sleeping tight and enjoy the film.

And if you like to get to bed by 10:30 or so because of work the next day, you would never watch anything. I start movies after the kids go to bed but you have the kid who suddenly gets sick and throws up or has a nightmare. I could choose to let my kids sleep in their vomit or spend the night in terror because watching a movie w/o stopping is more important I guess.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by cricepng

You leave no room for other people's actions to be valid.

but why should he if he does not believe so? there are bank robbers out there, should people that think it is criminal to do so say have to say "yes it is valide to be a bank robber? if on a construction forum someone says "people should have a butter knife in their tool chest in case they need to screw in some screws" should the guy that responds "no, you should use a screw driver for screws" be attacked because somehow the OP wants his action to be thought as valid by everyone?

Most films (some do have an intermission) are created to be seen in their entirety in one sitting. either you believe that and then you just watch films when you are unlikely to be interrupted or you are just looking at plugging little holes of boredom and then yes you might end up with many interruptions.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

I was incorrect about my Toshiba player. I tested the player this morning, I kept a blu paused for over an hour in screen saver mode (while I had breakfast, a shower, cleaned my teeth etc), and it did not turn itself off. However if I press stop and the player is displaying it's main menu, and is left like this for 10 minutes then the player automatically switches itself off. So both my Oppo and Toshiba players don't do what the OP is claiming his player does when pausing a film (I should also try it on my Panasonic player), therefore I wonder what players these members own that are experiencing this issue? One thing is for sure, like you said it's got nothing to do with the blu-ray specs, but rather features and settings of an individual player that a manufacturer has designed it with.

thanks for clearing it up

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by DGates01

Well, as we've seen by the replies, there have been quite a few others who experience the same issue. With some saying that it is a format issue, at least when it comes to BD-Java.

not really, for example there is a guy talking about power failures.

If a film is paused (for real) then un pausing it should continue from where it left off. If the film is stopped and it is a BD-J title and there is no continue code then it needs to restart from the begining because the code might have variables and the program won't know their value. For some reason it appears that maybe some BD players, if you pause, after a while they stop the film and that might be what is happening with you. It is hard to say who and what since people are talking about different things.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by jvonl

In my case at least it is not a question of the player or the tv shutting off; it is a question of resuming play after pausing. I hit pause. When I return the screen saver is playing. I hit play and the disc goes back to the beginning or will not play at all - it freezes, and then I have to start over. Not always, but often enough to be annoying. I will try to keep track and see if it a particular studio. If I return and the screen saver is gone, I have to start over. I understand that may be the player having a time limit for pause. I support blu-ray because of the picture, but mostly for the lossless audio. I have zero interest in bd-live or any of the other "features" the techies thought I should have. I believe that the consumer is better served by simplicity that works, not features that detract from my ability to simply play the movie of my choice without complications.

but what player do you have, if people give good info (player, how long of a pause..... ) maybe the discussion can move forward and maybe there is an answer (or maybe it could be get a different player, but at list there would be a list for someone looking to buy a device).

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by cricepng

And if you like to get to bed by 10:30 or so because of work the next day, you would never watch anything. I start movies after the kids go to bed but you have the kid who suddenly gets sick and throws up or has a nightmare. I could choose to let my kids sleep in their vomit or spend the night in terror because watching a movie w/o stopping is more important I guess.

seriously man you are just making dumb excuses, we all have jobs, so that is no excuse and if your kid wakes up because they vomited in their bed every night then you should take better care of your kid and bring him to a doctor instead of just sitting around watching movies and complaining about wht happens when you press pause. Now if you mean that very rarely a kid might be sick and so he vomited in bed then how does it become a big issue? No one said that sometimes things can go wrong after you sat down to watch a film.

[jvonl]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

but what player do you have, if people give good info (player, how long of a pause..... ) maybe the discussion can move forward and maybe there is an answer (or maybe it could be get a different player, but at list there would be a list for someone looking to buy a device).

The player is an Oppo BDP-83 with the latest firmware.

[hometheatergeek]

Originally Posted by jvonl

The player is an Oppo BDP-83 with the latest firmware.

From the Oppo manual page 51:

Screen Saver: To turn on/off the screen saver function. The screen saver is designed to
minimize burn-in concerns for plasma and CRT display devices. The available options are:
• On – After about 3 minutes of inactivity, the player will show an animated OPPO logo
moving on a black background. This allows most areas of the screen to rest and gives all
areas an equal opportunity to refresh.
• Off – The screen saver will not be activated. Use this option if your TV does not have a
burn-in issue.
• Energy Saver – Video output will be turned off after 3 minutes of inactivity. Many
projectors and LCD TVs will go into a standby or sleep mode and turn off their projection
lamp or LCD backlight lamp, thus saving energy and prolonging the lamp life. When you
press any button on the OPPO remote control or the player’s front panel, the screen saver
will be cancelled and video output will be restored. If your TV is already in standby or sleep
mode, you may need to wake up the TV by pressing a button on its remote or control panel.

So which setting are you using?

[cricepng]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

seriously man you are just making dumb excuses, we all have jobs, so that is no excuse and if your kid wakes up because they vomited in their bed every night then you should take better care of your kid and bring him to a doctor instead of just sitting around watching movies and complaining about wht happens when you press pause. Now if you mean that very rarely a kid might be sick and so he vomited in bed then how does it become a big issue? No one said that sometimes things can go wrong after you sat down to watch a film.

The point is that rather than offer helpful technical advice, people make posts that belittle people who have the need t pause or stop a movie and then find the occasional lack of resume to be a nuisance. Nobody is claiming that the nuisance is the end of the world. But rather than just saying 'I prefer watching a movie in its entirely w/o interruptions' they make blanket statements that people shouldn't watch a movie unless they can virtually guarantee no interruptions.

While interruptions do not happen all the time and not every movie lacks the resume ability, those times that it does happen can be an annoyance. In the past year I have had movies interrupted for a variety of reasons (clogged toilet, washing machine flooding the basement, sick child, nightmares twice, extended family medical emergency once, unexpected visit from relatives on several occasions). Plus there are issues with kids viewing. If I limit their video time on school days, it inevitably results in a movie being stopped until the next day. On probably six times have I had to manually search and find the point where we left off. Not a life shaking problem, but a valid nuisance none-the-less.

I am thankful for those who have taken the time to post useful information such as newer BDs and players being more universally being resumable and player settings that may help.

[jvonl]

Originally Posted by hometheatergeek

From the Oppo manual page 51:



So which setting are you using?

I had it set to on and have changed to energy saver just to see if anything is different. However, I fail to understand how that could affect my ability to resume play. If I hit pause and later hit play, the movie should resume where I left off. Sometimes, though, it takes me back to the main menu, or worse, starts the disc over. That is why I feel that it is in the coding of certain discs. In the future I will make notes of specific discs/studios so that I can bring more information to the discussion. If I am missing something fundamental, please let me know. It does not happen often, but it makes me nuts when it does. Thanks for trying to help.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by jvonl

I had it set to on and have changed to energy saver just to see if anything is different. However, I fail to understand how that could affect my ability to resume play. If I hit pause and later hit play, the movie should resume where I left off. Sometimes, though, it takes me back to the main menu, or worse, starts the disc over. That is why I feel that it is in the coding of certain discs. In the future I will make notes of specific discs/studios so that I can bring more information to the discussion. If I am missing something fundamental, please let me know. It does not happen often, but it makes me nuts when it does. Thanks for trying to help.

If it's not happening often like you have stated, then it's likely the discs that you are experiencing this problem with are from Universal Studios, If they are then the following is the solution

Originally Posted by Cevolution

BTW, what screen saver are you referring to, the screen saver of your brand of blu-ray player, or the screen saver that for example Universal Studios uses for their discs? If you are referring to the screen saver on blu discs from particular studios where that studios logo is displayed on the screen, these can be resumed instead of having to start the film from the beginning. However the button function to do this is different for various players. For example some players require you to hit the enter button, others one of the directional arrow buttons, or even the pop-up menu button. So if this is what is happening I would recommended trying a few buttons on your remote, or alternatively check your players user manual for info, which may offer some insight.

[hometheatergeek]

Originally Posted by jvonl

I had it set to on and have changed to energy saver just to see if anything is different. However, I fail to understand how that could affect my ability to resume play. If I hit pause and later hit play, the movie should resume where I left off. Sometimes, though, it takes me back to the main menu, or worse, starts the disc over. That is why I feel that it is in the coding of certain discs. In the future I will make notes of specific discs/studios so that I can bring more information to the discussion. If I am missing something fundamental, please let me know. It does not happen often, but it makes me nuts when it does. Thanks for trying to help.

You're right it should resume always to where you pause. If you do not use a plasma display I would suggest you turn the SS off. Might be able to find you an answer later.

[smoss469]

There are 2 options.

1) No resume feature.
2) Resume after hitting stop/timeout/screensaver

People who prefer option 1, seem to not want option 2 to even be available; as if stopping the movie is beneath their idea of a view experience and even seem to be condescending to those who want the feature.

Option 2, would make both parties happy. If you watch from start to finish then you'll never need it, however it's there if you do.

Think of it like a safety net for a high wire act. You might never need it, but it's nice knowing it's there.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by smoss469

There are 2 options.

1) No resume feature.
2) Resume after hitting stop/timeout/screensaver

People who prefer option 1, seem to not want option 2 to even be available; as if stopping the movie is beneath their idea of a view experience and even seem to be condescending to those who want the feature.

Option 2, would make both parties happy. If you watch from start to finish then you'll never need it, however it's there if you do.

Think of it like a safety net for a high wire act. You might never need it, but it's nice knowing it's there.

Where I have highlighted, for those situations you should be able to resume just fine. If you pause your player where it times out and turns itself off after being in screen saver mode for a period of time, then you should be able to change the settings in your player to correct this. If you are experiencing timing out issues with pausing discs from particular studios, where the disc doesn't resume when you press unpause and the film restarts from the beginning, then you need to figure out what button on your remote triggers the resume function for these titles, as these can always be resumed from the discs screen saver mode.

[jvonl]

Originally Posted by smoss469

There are 2 options.

1) No resume feature.
2) Resume after hitting stop/timeout/screensaver

People who prefer option 1, seem to not want option 2 to even be available; as if stopping the movie is beneath their idea of a view experience and even seem to be condescending to those who want the feature.

Option 2, would make both parties happy. If you watch from start to finish then you'll never need it, however it's there if you do.

Think of it like a safety net for a high wire act. You might never need it, but it's nice knowing it's there.

So instead of using pause I should stop and then resume? I will try that and see if that takes care of the problem. Thanks...

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by jvonl

So instead of using pause I should stop and then resume? I will try that and see if that takes care of the problem. Thanks...

That's not what he was saying for you to do, he wasn't offering a suggestion. At least try what's already been suggested to you by myself and others, then come back and let us all know if it fixed the issue or not.

[hometheatergeek]

Originally Posted by hometheatergeek

You're right it should resume always to where you pause. If you do not use a plasma display I would suggest you turn the SS off. Might be able to find you an answer later.

Found your answer jvonl :

Yes, as long as BD-Java on the disc doesn't prevent it.

According to the manual (Advanced Operations / Memory and Automatic Resume) the player will remember the stopping point of up to five discs when they are ejected or the player is powered off.

Blu-ray discs with BD-Java cannot be resumed by the player automatically. You have to use the programming on the disc (if such exists) to set a bookmark or some other saved point.

The studios are responsible for disc authoring issues that the player cannot override. Starting in 2010 more and more titles with BD-Java are featuring an automatic resume point.


Note

If you don't want the disc position to be remembered, press Stop twice before ejecting the disc or turning off the player, or press Stop when the "resuming" message appears when the disc is loading.

So the recommendation is to power off instead of leaving it in the pause mode.