Windows 11 announced

[musicman1]

My current Dell computer desktop is from 2015 running windows 10 fast enough to where I have no need to buy a newer computer. I’ve had computers before the pentium cpu was created and I will hold on to this Dell. Right now I’m thinking about buying the same model Dell as a backup in case it dies down the road.

Not thrilled that Microsoft can’t make the older home computers (not used for business) that have plenty of life left and still has value to run it.

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by musicman1

My current Dell computer desktop is from 2015 running windows 10 fast enough to where I have no need to buy a newer computer. I’ve had computers before the pentium cpu was created and I will hold on to this Dell. Right now I’m thinking about buying the same model Dell as a backup in case it dies down the road.

Not thrilled that Microsoft can’t make the older home computers (not used for business) that have plenty of life left and still has value to run it.

It has nothing to do with what they can or cannot do. MS could have made DX 11/12 work on XP or Vista they chose not to because at some point there has to be a cutoff.

Its a business decision on what you intend to support to make business life easier. With my current line of work I have 0 issues with the TPM requirements for Windows 11. Hell my i9 custom built at home fully supports 11 but I refuse to move off windows 10.

Its the same with processors that can or cannot run a OS. MS chose a starting point and built the OS from their. You may agree or disagree with it but thats how all products worldwide are handled. Right now EOL on 21H2 Windows 10 is June 2024 you have another 2 years before you have to upgrade. EOL for all Windows 10 products is October 14, 2025. You really have 3 years before buying a new PC. Anything you buy at that time will support Windows 11. So I dont see what the issue is. Noone is forcing anyone to update anything now. In 2025 ur shit is 10 years old time to upgrade anyways.

[musicman1]

I agree with what you said with a few concerns….

Computers are more prevalent now than they were when Xp/Vista we’re introduced so moving on to the next gen windows will have more of a disrupted footprint on the world than back then.

So….in this day and age I would like to see a trade in (recycle) offer when windows 10 shuts down. Of course what I would like to see probably won’t happen.

[HDTV1080P]

https://www.pcmag.com/news/what-is-a...for-windows-11

[HDTV1080P]

Amazon and some other dealers now have the ASROCK TPM2-S module in stock since the automated Chinese robotic factory ran some more TPM 2.0 security modules off (They only cost $17.41 at Amazon for the official ASROCK brand that works with any ASROCK motherboard that uses 17 pins. Also called 18 pin module by some people.). This was back ordered for several months. I just upgraded the TPM security chip on two separate year 2015 ASROCK X99 motherboards (One mine and another a family members). Once I got the cover removed on the PC it took less then 5 minutes to unplug the old TPM version 1.2 module and plug the new TPM version 2.0 module. BIOS and Windows showing the TPM 2.0 module fully working.

So now when running the PC health check app in Windows 10 professional 64 bit, I pass on TPM 2.0 since that is now enabled, and I also have secure boot on the motherboard. But the reason I cannot install Windows 11 is because it says “The processor isn’t currently supported for Windows 11”. The processor on the ASROCK X99 motherboard is Intel Core i7-5960X CPU at 3Ghz. Therefore, unless Microsoft lowers the CPU requirements to include my 7 year old processor, I will not be able to run Windows 11 unless I upgrade my motherboard, CPU, and build a new desktop computer. So, my computer is now up to meeting the security requirements with TPM 2.0 and secure boot, but now I fail because Microsoft refuses to support the CPU and X99 motherboards. According to Microsoft Windows 10 will officially reach the end of support on October 14th 2025 (that is when it’s 10 year support is scheduled to end unless it gets extended to Jan of 2026). Then there will be no more Windows security updates for Windows 10 and everyone will need to upgrade to Windows 11 or maybe Windows 12.

I plan on waiting until the year 2024 to upgrade my PC, then in theory I will be able to go to Windows 12. Microsoft might be coming out with a new improved operating system every 3 years and each new operating system having 10 years worth of support with free Windows updates.

https://www.asrockrack.com/general/p...p?Model=TPM2-S

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XPR5943/

[stonesfan129]

I have it on my current PC. It feels lighter than Windows 10. But of course, I would ultimately like to run Linux Mint. Sadly, programmers and devs do not want to support mainstream applications on Linux. Really too bad there is no way to rip out all of the telemetry/data collection stuff in Windows.

[movie fan2021]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

I have it on my current PC. It feels lighter than Windows 10. But of course, I would ultimately like to run Linux Mint. Sadly, programmers and devs do not want to support mainstream applications on Linux. Really too bad there is no way to rip out all of the telemetry/data collection stuff in Windows.

Sorry I haven't here and nowchecked the exact wording, but I understand windows 10 to have a linux subset, is that any help?

[stonesfan129]

Originally Posted by movie fan2021

Sorry I haven't here and nowchecked the exact wording, but I understand windows 10 to have a linux subset, is that any help?

You can run some bash commands in there, but it's not really "Linux."

[movie fan2021]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

You can run some bash commands in there, but it's not really "Linux."

For the same reasons as before, how good/ helpful is wine?

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

I have it on my current PC. It feels lighter than Windows 10. But of course, I would ultimately like to run Linux Mint. Sadly, programmers and devs do not want to support mainstream applications on Linux. Really too bad there is no way to rip out all of the telemetry/data collection stuff in Windows.

It has nothing to do with that most mainstream apps are supported on Linux via WINE. The biggest issue is with ease of use and gamers. Until DX11/12 are supported that wont happen.

[ps3bd_owner]

Originally Posted by R3P0

It has nothing to do with what they can or cannot do. MS could have made DX 11/12 work on XP or Vista they chose not to because at some point there has to be a cutoff.

Its a business decision on what you intend to support to make business life easier. With my current line of work I have 0 issues with the TPM requirements for Windows 11. Hell my i9 custom built at home fully supports 11 but I refuse to move off windows 10.

Its the same with processors that can or cannot run a OS. MS chose a starting point and built the OS from their. You may agree or disagree with it but thats how all products worldwide are handled. Right now EOL on 21H2 Windows 10 is June 2024 you have another 2 years before you have to upgrade. EOL for all Windows 10 products is October 14, 2025. You really have 3 years before buying a new PC. Anything you buy at that time will support Windows 11. So I dont see what the issue is. Noone is forcing anyone to update anything now. In 2025 ur shit is 10 years old time to upgrade anyways.

Generally, yes, but users who use the Enterprise LTSC version have extended support until 2029.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/li...rise-ltsc-2019

I really like this edition as it doesn't have bloatware (it's like 7 with a 10 skin, imo) so I'll stick with it until 2029, and then? Who knows. I'm still skeptical about 11 so perhaps I'll try 12 assuming it's out by then, or a Linux distro.

Zorin and Elementary distros look very good for newcomers like myself.

[meremortal]

I'm a bit stubborn and haven't used one of their products since version 7 years ago. I really enjoyed that operating system. Chrome os is just so minimalistic, convenient, and efficient. But at times I miss being able to play video games, watch movies, etc. It also seems like forever ago since I've used a desktop pc.

[ps3bd_owner]

Originally Posted by meremortal

I'm a bit stubborn and haven't used one of their products since version 7 years ago. I really enjoyed that operating system. Chrome os is just so minimalistic, convenient, and efficient. But at times I miss being able to play video games, watch movies, etc. It also seems like forever ago since I've used a desktop pc.

I used a Chromebook notebook (I really liked it) a few months ago which I had bought thinking I could install all apps I use on my Android, but most were incompatible (bank apps). Ended up returning the Chromebook.

But, Chromebooks are getting better and more up to date so that issue should be fixed as technology progresses.

[Kinsella5]

I am still using Windows 7 myself, I tried Windows 10 when it came out on a brand new Dell that I had purchased, once I downloaded the free Windows 10 at the time, it fried my system and couldn't salvage it. Thankfully Best Buy allowed me to return it, they said they had several other people have the same thing happen to them.

I had saved my older Dell from 2007, reformatted it and loaded up a fresh Windows 7 and it has worked fine ever since. Eventually I know I will need to get on the Windows 11 ship, and that will mean using a current Outlook (mine is very old but does the job). If they could make Windows 11 look like Windows 7 I would probably be more willing to use 11 on my next PC.

[movie fan2021]

Originally Posted by Kinsella5

I am still using Windows 7 myself, I tried Windows 10 when it came out on a brand new Dell that I had purchased, once I downloaded the free Windows 10 at the time, it fried my system and couldn't salvage it. Thankfully Best Buy allowed me to return it, they said they had several other people have the same thing happen to them.

I had saved my older Dell from 2007, reformatted it and loaded up a fresh Windows 7 and it has worked fine ever since. Eventually I know I will need to get on the Windows 11 ship, and that will mean using a current Outlook (mine is very old but does the job). If they could make Windows 11 look like Windows 7 I would probably be more willing to use 11 on my next PC.

if what you want is 'If they could make Windows 11 look like Windows 7 I would probably be more willing to use 11 on my next PC.' there are lots of ways to change the o-s appearance, such as classic shell

[ps3bd_owner]

Originally Posted by Kinsella5

I am still using Windows 7 myself, I tried Windows 10 when it came out on a brand new Dell that I had purchased, once I downloaded the free Windows 10 at the time, it fried my system and couldn't salvage it. Thankfully Best Buy allowed me to return it, they said they had several other people have the same thing happen to them.

I had saved my older Dell from 2007, reformatted it and loaded up a fresh Windows 7 and it has worked fine ever since. Eventually I know I will need to get on the Windows 11 ship, and that will mean using a current Outlook (mine is very old but does the job). If they could make Windows 11 look like Windows 7 I would probably be more willing to use 11 on my next PC.

An OS fried the hardware? That's unusual, but good on them for taking it back as it wasn't your fault.

Now, you probably could make 11 make it look like 7 as there are programs to do so though it has other issues, mainly restrictions and other limitations that previous Windows OSes didn't have.

https://www.startisback.com/#download-tab

[Kinsella5]

Originally Posted by movie fan2021

if what you want is 'If they could make Windows 11 look like Windows 7 I would probably be more willing to use 11 on my next PC.' there are lots of ways to change the o-s appearance, such as classic shell

Good to know, I am unsure if that is something new to 11, or if 10 had that feature but after the issues with 10, I simply went back to 7 which I always felt was solid. I will need to strongly consider 11 for my next PC.

Originally Posted by ps3bd_owner

An OS fried the hardware? That's unusual, but good on them for taking it back as it wasn't your fault.

Now, you probably could make 11 make it look like 7 as there are programs to do so though it has other issues, mainly restrictions and other limitations that previous Windows OSes didn't have.

Yeah apparently from what I had heard is that when MS released their free version of W10, it was causing computers to brick. When it happened to me even the head of the Geek Squad at my local store tell me they have been seeing a number of PC's coming in from people downloading the free W10 from MS and all of the PC's were DOA. I basically just fired up my older Dell with Win7 and didn't bother looking at 10 after that, but it sounds like 11 is much more stable. I will need to look into 11 and how you guys mentioned I can have it look more of a classic style when I am i the market for a new PC.

[ps3bd_owner]

I personally have not had any issues with 10 (specifically LTSC edition).

There was the issue of constant annoying updates and unwanted bloatware (Windows Store and its apps, Edge, and Cortana), but after changing to this noncommercial version it's been a breeze.

Maybe I'll try 11 when they release 11 LTSC.

[Kinsella5]

Originally Posted by ps3bd_owner

I personally have not had any issues with 10 (specifically LTSC edition).

There was the issue of constant annoying updates and unwanted bloatware (Windows Store and its apps, Edge, and Cortana), but after changing to this noncommercial version it's been a breeze.

Maybe I'll try 11 when they release 11 LTSC.

Yeah I will try 11 when it's time for me to upgrade. I can get it for cheap so its not like the price point is what is holding me back, just not a fan of change and can't seem to let go of Windows 7. ;-)

[Vilya]

It took me until 2022 to switch to Windoze 10; who knows when I will become convinced to try 11? I can't think of any compelling reason to do so right now.