Improvements to PS3 Trophies

[stockstar1138]

I really love the new PS3 trophy system and Im happy Sony made it, but heres some feedback for them, hopefully I can get enough agrees with me, that i can e-mail them this thread and get some geniune imput over to their team.

Sony, here are some improvements,suggestions and concerns about the current Trophy system

1. Don't allow Downloadable Content as a way for Devs to try and rip off Trophy Collectors.

Here is my complaint, I have 3 PSN games that support trophies: Eden, SSHD and PAIN. All 3 retail for $9.99 on the PSN store. Now when I purchase Eden I have the full game and have the full package to get all the trophies, which is fair. Now with PAIN, the $9.99 download only allows me to get around half the trophies. Then there are some trophies that I need to buy an amusement park add-on with and others that i need to buy an add-on character to acheive. Thats taking advantage of the consumer and it should not be allowed.

There is a specific amount of trophies a PSN game can have, the original game (no DLC) should always have the same number of trophies that a similar priced game has. If a developer wants to make DLC for their product, let them add even more trophies to the game, as the game has now exceeded its original price and the consumer is paying more.

2. Encourage Devs to use the direct PS3-to-Youtube feature you developed. This is an excellent tool for users to explain to others how to acheive certain, difficult to get trophies.

3. Ban platnium trophies simply being "get all the other trophies". You didn't do anything in the game that another trophy already reward you for with the current system.

4. Make it mandatory that all games after "X" date have trophies. I know there are rumors that Sony has demanded that all 09 games have this, but nothing official has been said to my knowledge.

5. Make it mandatory that all developers create 3-D rendered trophies for the same acheivements as 2-D trophies for an easy transition to the HOME trophy room. 2-D trophy collectors should not lose all their acheivements when HOME comes out.

6. Ban trophies that require players to spend money on extra perephials, unless the trophy is part of a game that requires that periphial.

Example of something thats acceptable: Eye of Judgement, Eyetoy games.

Example of something thats not acceptable: Use the PS3 Eyetoy to take a picture of yourself and put it in X game that requires no Eyetoy to play through.

7. Ban stupid, meaningless trophies. Yeah, Im looking at you "Fly into your own Proximity Mine". Having trophies like that, simply makes the system a joke and adds absolutely nothing to the game. Ive also read about some Japanese dowload that you hit "X" a bunch and get trophy for going through articles.

8. Ban trophies that require a user to purchase another game for the game he is trying to acheive a trophy in.

Example: Import a NCAA draft class in Madden. I shouldn't have to buy NCAA to achieve Madden trophies.

[dereksworl]

I agree 100% with #4. #7, not so much. i mean, you gotta have those stupid trophies. Some people suck at games so its easy for them to get trophies like that. also, it was suppose to be more of an accidental trophie than serious. thats why it was "blacked out".

P.S. Regarding the "blacked out" tophies, i think devs should not disclose the requirements of them. it adds to the challenge.

[xtop]

i agree with everything but 7. and not completely with 1, i want my downloadable content to have trophies. it sucks if you want them all you need all content packages, but i also dont want to buy it and have nothing new

[MOONPHASE]

i know which game you are talking about on number 7 because i downloaded it and its not actually a game well at least there are some parts to it that do make it to a game but most likely it isnt a game since because your just reading news in Japan with the Japanese Sony company and also some other stuff for Japan. its actually kind of fun but i dont know why a one like that has trophies oh well now i have 7 trophies because of it. without it i would have 0 trophies right now but its a free download so its not like you have to pay for it. and regarding number 1 well its ok to have DLC on a game with added trophies but however it should be free or really cheap like say 99 cents or something like that

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by xtop

i agree with everything but 7. and not completely with 1, i want my downloadable content to have trophies. it sucks if you want them all you need all content packages, but i also dont want to buy it and have nothing new

Im not suggesting banning trophies from DLC.

I forget exactly how many trophies a PSN game can have, but lets just say 20.

If I pay $9.99 for a PSN game, I should be able to achieve all 20 trophies with that $9.99 purchase. I shouldn't have to buy DLC to get all 20.

However, if a dev wants to add DLC he should be allowed to put in MORE trophies for the customer.

So if you buy the game + DLC, you should be able to achieve the original 20 with your $9.99 purchase + extra trophies with your DLC purchase.

[xtop]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

Im not suggesting banning trophies from DLC.

I forget exactly how many trophies a PSN game can have, but lets just say 20.

If I pay $9.99 for a PSN game, I should be able to achieve all 20 trophies with that $9.99 purchase. I shouldn't have to buy DLC to get all 20.

However, if a dev wants to add DLC he should be allowed to put in MORE trophies for the customer.

So if you buy the game + DLC, you should be able to achieve the original 20 with your $9.99 purchase + extra trophies with your DLC purchase.

yes i agree with that completely. we're on the same page here. guess i wasnt clear enough, you broke it down perfectly.

[dereksworl]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

Im not suggesting banning trophies from DLC.

I forget exactly how many trophies a PSN game can have, but lets just say 20.

If I pay $9.99 for a PSN game, I should be able to achieve all 20 trophies with that $9.99 purchase. I shouldn't have to buy DLC to get all 20.

However, if a dev wants to add DLC he should be allowed to put in MORE trophies for the customer.

So if you buy the game + DLC, you should be able to achieve the original 20 with your $9.99 purchase + extra trophies with your DLC purchase.

Warhawk does this. all you need to do to get the platinum is get the base trophies. the DLC trophies are just extra.

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by dereksworl

Warhawk does this. all you need to do to get the platinum is get the base trophies. the DLC trophies are just extra.

Yeah, I know, my main concern is with games like PAIN and Super Stardust HD.

Its ridiculous that I have to purchase a female add-on to get a trophy.

And Stardust is even worse. Requiring a player to have an extra controller + buy add-on content to get one of the easiest trophies out there, that some how is a gold trophy. That was a complete marketing stunt.

[Terjyn]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

3. Ban platnium trophies simply being "get all the other trophies". You didn't do anything in the game that another trophy already reward you for with the current system.

This is a pretty silly demand, especially considering that this is the definition of a Platinum trophy as defined so far.

It is meaningful that someone took the time to get every other trophy, and Platinum trophies are a quick way to show this.

I am fine with Platinum trophies as they are, in spite of the fact that I will never have one.

[Marine Mike]

You definately make some valid points in your critique of trophys for the PSN.

I also get frustrated with having to buy the add-ons to get the pre-existing trophies, but thats marketing for you and that'll never change unfortunately.

I think that there should be a minimum of 20 trophys per game to be quite honest, even if it doesn't go along with your 'no stupid trophy rule'. I think that it adds more flavor to the game and gives more reason to try new aspects of the game that normally may not be used, such as the 'photo trophy' in WipeoutHD which you get for just taking 1 picture. I probably never would of used this function if there wasn't a trophy for it. Trophys (if you are interested in them) forces the player to do things that they may not normally want to do just like the WipeoutHD Zirco trophy, I highly doubt people would be spending this insane amount of time trying to get it if they got 'nothing' out of it.

[dereksworl]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

Yeah, I know, my main concern is with games like PAIN and Super Stardust HD.

Its ridiculous that I have to purchase a female add-on to get a trophy.

And Stardust is even worse. Requiring a player to have an extra controller + buy add-on content to get one of the easiest trophies out there, that some how is a gold trophy. That was a complete marketing stunt.

Lol, alright i do see what you're trying to say..

[Terjyn]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

Requiring a player to have an extra controller + buy add-on content to get one of the easiest trophies out there, that some how is a gold trophy.

If you actually earn the trophy as intended, this is arguably the hardest trophy in the game. It's at least on par with Shock and Awe when done "correctly".

Well, maybe not for psychic twins who can read each other's thoughts.

The problem is nobody is earning the trophy legit.

[Beefbowl]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

And Stardust is even worse. Requiring a player to have an extra controller + buy add-on content to get one of the easiest trophies out there, that some how is a gold trophy. That was a complete marketing stunt.

How is this any different than having to go online and getting trophies through multiplayer?

[dpomp]

i like the system the way it is.

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by Beefbowl

How is this any different than having to go online and getting trophies through multiplayer?

because online is free and there are many, many players online that can help you get the trophy.

it also does not require you to buy an extra controller either as those players have controllers at their house.

what if IRL you don't have friends that game? that 3p trapeze trophy in Eden wouldn't even be possible. or what if you don't have 3 controllers and don't have friends that have PS3 controllers, now that trophy is impossible to do to, unless you go out and blow $100 in controllers.

online, everybody would have the equipment (and hopefully the skills) to help get co-op trophies or online ones.

i think its fair to say an internet connection can be required to get some of the trophies.

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by dpompeo

i like the system the way it is.

i do to, but there is def. room for improvement.

i don't want to see devs exploit ppl for trophies by making them buy ridiculous crap to achieve a trophy, that in return you can't get the platnium without getting that trophy that you need to buy something for.

[Beefbowl]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

because online is free and there are many, many players online that can help you get the trophy.

it also does not require you to buy an extra controller either as those players have controllers at their house.

what if IRL you don't have friends that game? that 3p trapeze trophy in Eden wouldn't even be possible. or what if you don't have 3 controllers and don't have friends that have PS3 controllers, now that trophy is impossible to do to, unless you go out and blow $100 in controllers.

online, everybody would have the equipment (and hopefully the skills) to help get co-op trophies or online ones.

i think its fair to say an internet connection can be required to get some of the trophies.

Yea, but what if someone don't have internet? How are you suppose to get trophies then? it would be like saying they're forcing you to get internet to get trophies, just like you're saying they're forcing you to get another controller. Can't have it both ways

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by Beefbowl

Yea, but what if someone don't have internet? How are you suppose to get trophies then? it would be like saying they're forcing you to get internet to get trophies, just like you're saying they're forcing you to get another controller. Can't have it both ways

my guess is if somebody doesn't have their PS3 hooked up to the internet, they probably don't even have the firmware to have trophies.

i just helped a guy at work connect his PS3 to the internet, he was running the launch firmware on it for the past 20 months.

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

my guess is if somebody doesn't have their PS3 hooked up to the internet, they probably don't even have the firmware to have trophies.

i just helped a guy at work connect his PS3 to the internet, he was running the launch firmware on it for the past 20 months.

Me too! Though I just gave him that latest update on a USB compared to connect to the internet. He has internet connectivity at home, but he primarily just uses it for his kid to play games on and not for Blu-Rays.

Though I recently changed that as I lent his Kill Bill. Now that the seed has been planted, he'll start to rent them compared to DVD and bring his PS3 upstairs more often.

[Beefbowl]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

my guess is if somebody doesn't have their PS3 hooked up to the internet, they probably don't even have the firmware to have trophies.

i just helped a guy at work connect his PS3 to the internet, he was running the launch firmware on it for the past 20 months.

That's probably true. Honestly, for me getting trophies is a big deal right now, but by next month I'm probably not going to care as much as I'll be spending more time playing different games than trying to collect trophies. That's how I felt when I got my Xbox 360 too. A year from now, I'll be more interested in my gamer level than my individual trophies.