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Old 01-23-2020, 03:13 AM   #821
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Old 01-23-2020, 07:18 PM   #822
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The video isn't being uploaded directly to your brain. It goes through the eyes first. So the goal is to get it to look right before it even reaches your eyes.

So let's say you take video of a concert at 24 fps and 60 fps. The 60 fps video is closer to what your eyes would see if they were actually at the concert. Neither is what your eyes would actually see, but the 60 fps video is closer. This is why I prefer it.

Whether one looks more real than the other is of course opinion as neither is real at all. But the 60 fps video is closer to what your eyes should be seeing (if you were at the concert) than the 24 fps video. That part is objectively true.
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Old 01-24-2020, 05:28 AM   #823
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The video isn't being uploaded directly to your brain. It goes through the eyes first. So the goal is to get it to look right before it even reaches your eyes.

So let's say you take video of a concert at 24 fps and 60 fps. The 60 fps video is closer to what your eyes would see if they were actually at the concert. Neither is what your eyes would actually see, but the 60 fps video is closer. This is why I prefer it.

Whether one looks more real than the other is of course opinion as neither is real at all. But the 60 fps video is closer to what your eyes should be seeing (if you were at the concert) than the 24 fps video. That part is objectively true.
That sounds good for a concert, but with a movie I don't want the image to be closer to what I would see if I was actually on set.

For example during a fight scene one of the characters was knocked into a wall and it broke apart. It broke apart in a very realistic manner for the material the fake prop wall was made of, but it didn't look like it should if it were a real wall. The extra realism of high frame rate just makes it obvious how fake everything is.

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Old 01-24-2020, 06:32 AM   #824
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Still think it looks jank at 60, 120 kinda ruined me!
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jank… I think i remember Brian Harvey using that word once.
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Old 01-24-2020, 02:46 PM   #826
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That sounds good for a concert, but with a movie I don't want the image to be closer to what I would see if I was actually on set.

For example during a fight scene one of the characters was knocked into a wall and it broke apart. It broke apart in a very realistic manner for the material the fake prop wall was made of, but it didn't look like it should if it were a real wall. The extra realism of high frame rate just makes it obvious how fake everything is.
It's real fake which makes your brain confuses more real to be more fake and the fake looks less real mixed with more fake. It's realness is fake, which film is already less real but now looks fake...ugh I don't know, it looks terrible.

I think natural blur or depth of field plays into it too. While our eyes in real life see everything smoother, depending where you are looking, you will still have a specific depth of field to where your eyes are focused. However, with a film like that, none of that is captured and yet the entire screen fits in our depth of field so it loses that translation of natural blur and focus.
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Old 01-24-2020, 03:06 PM   #827
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It's real fake which makes your brain confuses more real to be more fake and the fake looks less real mixed with more fake. It's realness is fake, which film is already less real but now looks fake...
FINALLY- somebody gets it!
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Old 01-24-2020, 06:21 PM   #828
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jank… I think i remember Brian Harvey using that word once.
He was sober enough to talk?
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Old 01-24-2020, 07:28 PM   #829
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I just couldn't make it through the movie. It was just so bad.

That said, the 60 FPS just doesn't look good.

I recall Peter Jackson saying he believed that 60 FPS still needed fine timing and that he believed that it would get better, with the key being learning how best to light 60, and I'd agree. Everything looks like I'm watching a news interview. Add in the bad acting and everything comes across as a bad reenactment.

That's my two cents on the movie and presentation. No technical issues with my equipment.
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Old 01-24-2020, 09:43 PM   #830
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Just picked up the Best Buy 4K SteelBook from eBay for $27 including shipping. Excited to see this 60 FPS in action.
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Old 01-24-2020, 10:10 PM   #831
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I love 24fps. I love HFR. I love film. I love digital. GIMME GIMME GIMME ALL DAT GOODNESS
Have you given this a watch yet?

I'm still on the fence with buying.
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Old 01-24-2020, 11:35 PM   #832
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love this film, Looks amazing in 60FPS. I don't think it was projected this way when i saw it in imax during theatrical run, unless it was certain type of imax, which ive seen recently in different theaters. I think there will be an adjustment time for us all, because it jarring to see such a photo realistic picture now. It will be interesting to see which filmmakers embrace it or not. I think Ang Lees last film was also presented this way on 4kuhd.
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Old 01-25-2020, 02:46 AM   #833
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Have you given this a watch yet?

I'm still on the fence with buying.
Mine is on the way, will hopefully get here next week sometime.
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Old 01-25-2020, 06:58 AM   #834
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My copy arrived yesterday. Looks great and certainly different to anything else released so far. The image does make it look more like a tv show but it is also a tool like any other. It won't make 60 fps replace 24 fps. And, if you don't like the 60 fps then the regular blu-ray attached is 24 fps. With this release the format now offers more and I'm excited to see what comes next.
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Old 01-25-2020, 12:20 PM   #835
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In 24fps it still looks like a TV show. It's just the way it was shot, maybe Will Smith and his CG twin took 90% of budget?
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Old 01-25-2020, 01:14 PM   #836
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Sports and action films benefit most from HFR.
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Old 01-25-2020, 01:40 PM   #837
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In 24fps it still looks like a TV show. It's just the way it was shot, maybe Will Smith and his CG twin took 90% of budget?
That number seems correct, the script couldn’t have cost them more than 50 cents.
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Old 01-25-2020, 03:51 PM   #838
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I watched this a couple of nights ago... HFR isn't really my taste, I much prefer good old 24, however, for the odd movie, I'm ok with it for something different.
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Old 01-26-2020, 09:58 AM   #839
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Watched this fully yesterday. Good movie. Great picture. HFR really worked. Except Junior's face looking odd at times, it was difficult to say which scenes used CGI as most of them looked realistic.

I just wish they had given this a filmic look instead of drama. There were 2 scenes with near blacks which was a torture test for my DX902.

My Panny UB820 was showing very high numbers for Max CLL 5000+ nits and Max APL around 1500+ nits
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I just couldn't make it through the movie. It was just so bad.
The movie itself WAS bad. Eye rolls through most of it. Bombed at the box office too if I recall. Blech. Glad I didn’t blind buy this one,
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