Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Gotmule,

EDIT - Updated my FW on my projector, took an hour but went fine.


I couple of folks had problems and the recommendation for now it to perform the update without any HDMI cables attached. Particularly powered HDMI cables.

IMPORTANT: As of November 16, myself and several other owners using powered HDMI fiber cables have experience a problem where the firmware update appears to have caused damage to the one or both sending/receiving HDMI chipsets from having left the HDMI cable connected during the update.

Until JVC becomes aware of the details and can confirm any specifics, as a safety precaution disconnect any powered HDMI cables before performing any firmware update.

I started the FW update process on my projector. Went ahead and did a factory reset first which may not be useful but I figured I'll rebuild the configuration from scratch. I do want to try the new AutoCal software that was also recently updated.

Thank you for sharing. Kinda scary. I may hold off until JVC weighs in. I will also reach out to the calibrator to see what he has come across so far.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Gotmule,

EDIT - Updated my FW on my projector, took an hour but went fine.

An hour for a FW update is long, was the PJ Hardwired? I'm a firm believer of being Hardwired for FW updates. I have seen where Wireless has caused problems.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by gotmule

Thank you for sharing. Kinda scary. I may hold off until JVC weighs in. I will also reach out to the calibrator to see what he has come across so far.

I can say it is scary doing the update. It takes a full hour and a few people have had problems. What is good is, these projectors are still under warranty.

I was trying to wait until tomorrow for mine but I had time and couldn't wait.

I'm really impressed with Film Maker Mode!

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by alchav21

An hour for a FW update is long, was the PJ Hardwired? I'm a firm believer of being Hardwired for FW updates. I have seen where Wireless has caused problems.

The update is from USB key. It’s a 150 Mb zip file ghat wipes and re-write practically everything.

If you want to know what are the big changes, click here:
JVC Firmware 2.0 Detailed & Explained
https://www.youtube.com/supported_br...tube.com/watch

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by alchav21

An hour for a FW update is long, was the PJ Hardwired? I'm a firm believer of being Hardwired for FW updates. I have seen where Wireless has caused problems.

The FW in this case is Downloaded to a USB drive before installation.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

true, bad choice of wording on my part for the description. But it is not an intranet either, that term is for a bunch of internal, private web sites. I don't know if a right term exists for this.

you are missing the point, if it is important for you to have a 10Gb connection to your neighbor then yes this will give you that but if the ISP only offers 100Mb to it you only get 100Mb to be shared outside of your neighborhood and to watch Apple or Netflix or Disney..... you need to go outside your network.

Next Level calls it a Local Network, but if Servers are connected they can have internal Websites. Anyway this concept is strange to most people, but if you have your own Network you can can design it to the needs of the Community. When I worked for PacBell I was involved in designing Campus Networks. Like Oracles Redwood City 5 Building Network.

As for Bandwidth Next Level Design is from 1 to 10Gbps, and they will provide an ISP or you can bring one in to manage the Capacity provided. By this I mean the Network is designed to handle from 1 to 10Gbps, if you bring in an ISP you negotiate Bandwidth according to your Community needs and Budget.

[unberechenbar]

ordered these this past week:


The Expendables trilogy was a lot of fun, especially the audio.

[Warm Gun]

So I get that your TV needs eARC to pass TrueHD and DTS-HD MA on to the AV receiver. But does your receiver need eARC as well? ARC on the receiver side is not enough?

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Warm Gun

So I get that your TV needs eARC to pass TrueHD and DTS-HD MA on to the AV receiver.

What is the source for the TV?

But does your receiver need eARC as well? ARC on the receiver side is not enough?

Vilya has been down this road, maybe he can chime in.

Is there some reason you can not use your AVR as the source selector and send the video to your display? Sorry if this is a repeat question!

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by Warm Gun

So I get that your TV needs eARC to pass TrueHD and DTS-HD MA on to the AV receiver. But does your receiver need eARC as well? ARC on the receiver side is not enough?

Yes and yes.

[Warm Gun]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

What is the source for the TV?

Vilya has been down this road, maybe he can chime in.

Is there some reason you can not use your AVR as the source selector and send the video to your display? Sorry if this is a repeat question!

Because my receiver can't pass 10-bit full range RGB 4K from my PC to the TV. Downgrades it to limited. It also can't do 120 Hz like my TV. Got the HDMI 2.1 graphics card set up today and was hoping to get rid of the phantom second display that I use for HDMI audio.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

you are missing the point, if it is important for you to have a 10Gb connection to your neighbor then yes this will give you that but if the ISP only offers 100Mb to it you only get 100Mb to be shared outside of your neighborhood and to watch Apple or Netflix or Disney..... you need to go outside your network.

Too bad most streaming devices do not have a HUD (diagnostic) display like the Apple TV4K has. I am making an assumption the Network Bandwidth it shows is the bandwidth between the user and the CDN. On mine if I check MA (or some other provider) at around 5:00 PM local time the bandwidth may be 200 to 250 Mbps but by 9:00 PM the bandwidth may be down to 10 to 30 Mbps. A speed check just to the ISP always shows 230 to 270 Mbps.

Have tried many times over the years to get people to understand the difference between speed test to an ISP vs the speed to the CDN and the time of day can vary the results drastically.

OT: I would be interested to know the business you own.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Warm Gun

Because my receiver can't pass 10-bit full range RGB 4K from my PC to the TV.

Sounds like a really good reason for a new AVR!!

[Warm Gun]

Actually, it probably can pass 10-bit RGB full range 4K through, now that I'm using an HDMI 2.1 graphics card and considering that Dolby Vision full range is passed from the Z9X through the receiver to the TV. But it can't do 120 Hz, so not useful for my PC video, this receiver. Can't justify the 400 dollars and tax (Denon AVR-S760H) just to get rid of the phantom display that my icons sometimes disappear to.

[Warm Gun]

Should clarify again: I didn't have this limited range problem with the PC to TV because I used a DisplayPort to HDMI adapter (still do, since the graphics card only has one HDMI, which I need for audio to the receiver). But DisplayPort can't carry TrueHD, DTS-HD MA and most surround formats, so my only choice was pure HDMI.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Too bad most streaming devices do not have a HUD (diagnostic) display like the Apple TV4K has. I am making an assumption the Network Bandwidth it shows is the bandwidth between the user and the CDN. On mine if I check MA (or some other provider) at around 5:00 PM local time the bandwidth may be 200 to 250 Mbps but by 9:00 PM the bandwidth may be down to 10 to 30 Mbps. A speed check just to the ISP always shows 230 to 270 Mbps.

Have tried many times over the years to get people to understand the difference between speed test to an ISP vs the speed to the CDN and the time of day can vary the results drastically.

OT: I would be interested to know the business you own.

I guess there could be bottlenecks depending on your ISP CDN connection, but for most people it's the Cable Companies Architecture. The Cable Companies have like a Star Distribution where they disburse from connection points with feeds to these points with a certain number of homes connected. These feeds have a Capacity and need Load Balancing for the proper Bandwidth. Heavy users are put on different Networks.

Fiber Networks are configured differently where each circuit comes from the Central Distribution and the Bandwidth is not shared like the Cable Companies. That's why you get drops in Bandwidth during heavy usage with shared Networks as opposed to Direct Circuit Fiber Networks!

[kfbkfb]

Video NR:
My old Magnavox/Funai Blu-ray player has 2 levels of video NR (as do all 3 of my DVD recorders, also Magnavox/Funai)

I'm copying some of my movies to DVD-Rs (in 6 hour record mode) to take with me when I visit my friends next year.

I also plan to take the old Magnavox Blu-ray player because the more extreme video NR mode really helps smooth over the low video data rate video artifacts from the 6 hour DVD-R copies.

Any of the streaming companies (or 3rd party app developers) offer any kind of video NR systems to help hide the low video data rate video artifacts?


Kirk Bayne

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I guess there could be bottlenecks depending on your ISP CDN connection, but for most people it's the Cable Companies Architecture.

Prime time, me to ISP server 230 to 270 Mbps, me to CDN 15 Mbps. From 4 years ago:

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Here is the tally from AVS and Blu-ray.com posters.

Summary: First speed number is what the user reports using various speed test. The second number is the speed reported by Netflix and using their servers. All speeds are in Mbps.

???, 119 via Fios
210, 33.5
300, 22
230, 19.13 via TV, 92.12 via Blu-ray player
75, 12.15
???, 58.87
300, 70

Look at the videos with the ATV4K, the poster has a gigabit connection, but his bandwidth < 250 Mbps and bet those were not measured in local prime time.

[sapiendut]

Doesn’t matter what download speed you have the bottle neck is the streaming companies themselves. I have a gigabit connection, everything hardwired, all measured between 500 mbps to 800 mbps but all that is not going to turn AppleTV or any streaming company suddenly open a 500 mbps bandwidth when I’m streaming their movies.

[bhampton]

The updated JVC firmware is amazing. I can't stop watching.