Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Have no problem with the content of the post. The problem arises when all you do is post negative aspects of disc. Most here probably know the state of disc and how little new content there is. None of the nay sayers have ever produced a list of titles that should sell in big numbers but have not. Same for rental and Redbox executives pointed this out.

Psssst . . . the disc market is shrinking by 18% a year. THERE IS NO GOOD NEWS to post.

IMO, Bruce determined sometime back that his thread had lost its importance because of loss of box office power and just stopped posting. I pointed out sometime back that if folks wanted the info it was easy enough to click on MPN site.

You convinced me. No more posts by me in that thread.

Wow, like I never heard that before. A negative rancher with just 17 cows will make comments like yours. A positive rancher with just 17 cows is going to try hard to learn what the rancher with 100 cows knows. And so it goes!

Your analogy has a huge hole in in. My 17 cows just happen to be Kobe Beef cows versus your 100 Walmart Beef cows.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Psssst . . . the disc market is shrinking by 18% a year. THERE IS NO GOOD NEWS to post.

Actually there is, with virtually no new content to release content owners are mining old catalog titles for release on BD at a rate that makes it difficult to keep up with. These will never sell in big numbers but I am glad to have access to those older titles like Walter Hill's Streets of Fire, Louis Malle's Pretty Baby. Will checkout The Old Way to see if worthy of adding to collection. Just added 10 titles to the collection, most were old catalog.




Since I am a elitist I am off to watch some content with a projector using a 133" screen, a sound system with 13 loudspeakers with several kilowatts of audio power.

Have not met many elitist that did 10 years of commercial building janitorial work to pay for a video projector, designed and built 7 of those loudspeaker, designed and built their home theater, etc. YMMV.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Psssst . . . the disc market is shrinking by 18% a year. THERE IS NO GOOD NEWS to post.

The far more important statistic to us is how many titles are released on disc, not how many copies sell of each one. That number hasn't gone down.

It's a fantastic time to be a fan of physical media, I can't keep up with all the wonderful releases every year (and I doubt anyone else can either).

[Mr Walker]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

Physical media has superior video and audio bitrate. That makes a difference imo. The audio not so much, but the video yes. That's why I have stuck to physical media. Not only that, these companies remove stuff from streaming services all the time.

The bolded is my big reason for buying physical media.

[veritas]

Like I said before 2022 wasn't a very good year. A lot of the blockbuster movies kind of flopped and we got less total blockbusters still then before the disruptions began. When the whole thing started we got a huge push of catalog titles as money was redistributed. That's really slowed down though in 2022.

2023 should be where the media market goes somewhat back to normal. Streaming prices are going up (rather then selling at a loss). The releases that got pushed back are mostly going back to a normal release schedule. The catalog stuff will probably stay around the same to go down a bit I guess.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by veritas

Like I said before 2022 wasn't a very good year. A lot of the blockbuster movies kind of flopped and we got less total blockbusters still then before the disruptions began. When the whole thing started we got a huge push of catalog titles as money was redistributed. That's really slowed down though in 2022.

2023 should be where the media market goes somewhat back to normal. Streaming prices are going up (rather then selling at a loss). The releases that got pushed back are mostly going back to a normal release schedule. The catalog stuff will probably stay around the same to go down a bit I guess.

2019 had around 140 theatrical release I think. The industry thinks releases will be around 120 by 2024, so that should tell us more. It’s going in the right direction though. Domestic (USA) is already over half a billion for 2023 and we still have a week left of this month.

Excellent start.

[Ender14]

I saw Skinamarink at my local theater over the weekend. I REALLY wanted to like it more than I did and think that some of it was very effective but at times it felt like the director was being obtuse just to be different. That's not necessarily a bad thing if it serves the story and is effective but in this case it wasn't always so. I know it was made for only $15,000 but I feel the original Paranormal Activity, which was made for around the same, was much more effective.

With all that being said, it was a very creepy flick that did a great job at creating a sense of dread. There were a couple of old school jump scares (suddenly loud music and jump cut to creepy image) that felt out of place and cheap to me, but those aside it definitely stays with you when it's over. I liked it enough to pick it up on disc. Recommended for the horror fans here.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

2019 had around 140 theatrical release I think. The industry thinks releases will be around 120 by 2024, so that should tell us more. It’s going in the right direction though. Domestic (USA) is already over half a billion for 2023 and we still have a week left of this month.

Excellent start.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

That’s what I must have seen, the 133 films that made up most of the box office.

The target being 120 for 2024.

[bhampton]

For all who saw this already sorry to be late but this video about movie audio production is great.

Why we all need subtitles. (and why most of the time I don't need or use them.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=VYJtb2YXae8

The short version is movies are mixed for multi channel theaters and not for TVs and phones.

[bhampton]

They will always maintain the servers for your online content and you will always have access to your online content until for one reason or another suddenly you don't.

Most recent example....

‘I cried all night’: Millions of Chinese lose access to ‘World of Warcraft’ and other hit games

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/24/tech/...tdown-intl-hnk

"after a licensing agreement with longtime local partner NetEase (NTES) expired" Bam!... Plug is pulled due to a disagreement which you have no part of. Your things taken instantly by remote push of a button. Most people know you don't own certain things but rather you have the right to use them until it gets revoked for any reason at all. When you buy an iTunes movie for $5 and expect someone to maintain it's availability forever then you may have a problem on down the line.

iTunes may have,
Vudu may have,
But, god bless the child who's got his own,
Who's got his own.



=Brian

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Psssst . . . the disc market is shrinking by 18% a year. THERE IS NO GOOD NEWS to post.

January 03, 2023
• Black Adam 4K (2022)
• The Adventures of Baron Munchausen 4K (1988)
• Prey for the Devil 4K (2022)



January 10, 2023
• Groundhog Day 4K (1993) - 30th Anniversary Edition
• Dragons Forever 4K (1988) - 飛龍猛將
• Ouija 4K (2014)


January 17, 2023
• Cloverfield 4K (2008) - 15th Anniversary Limited Edition
• Double Jeopardy 4K (1999) - Paramount Presents #37
• They Live 4K (1988)
• Wrath of Man 4K (2021)



January 24, 2023
• Death Wish 4K (1974)
• Freaky 4K (2020)
• Belly 4K (1998) - 25th Anniversary Edition


January 31, 2023
• Dawn of the Dead 4K (2004) - Collector's Edition, + Theatrical Cut on BD
• The Italian Job 4K (1969)
• From Beyond 4K (1986) - Slipcover in Original Pressing
• Event Horizon 4K (1997) - 25th Anniversary Edition
• Crimes of the Future 4K (2022)
• Sidekicks 4K (1992) - Slipcover in Original Pressing
• Road House 4K (1989) - Vinegar Syndrome Ultra, Standard Edition


February 07, 2023
• Black Panther: Wakanda Forever 4K (2022)
• Bubba Ho-Tep 4K (2002) - Collector's Edition
• Three Colors 4K (1993-1994) - Trois couleurs
• The Return of Swamp Thing 4K (1989)
• Black Panther: Wakanda Forever 4K (2022) - Talokán
• Legion of Super-Heroes 4K (2023)
• Warm Bodies 4K (2013)
• Encanto 4K (2021) - Disney100


February 14, 2023
• The Fabelmans 4K (2022)
• Strange World 4K (2022)
• The Way We Were 4K (1973) - 50th Anniversary


February 21, 2023
• The Magnificent Seven 4K (1960)
• Dazed and Confused 4K (1993)
• The Slumber Party Massacre / Slumber Party Massacre II 4K (1982-1987)
• DragonHeart 4K (1996)
• The Remains of the Day 4K (1993) - 30th Anniversary Edition
• Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit 4K (2014)
• Station Eleven 4K (2021)
• Eugenie 4K (1970) - De Sade 70
• Marquis de Sade's Justine 4K (1969)
• Running the Bases 4K (2022)


February 24, 2023
• Puppet Master III: Toulon's Revenge 4K (1991) - Puppet Master 3


February 28, 2023
• Marathon Man 4K (1976)
• The Texas Chain Saw Massacre 4K (1974)
• Rocky: The Knockout Collection 4K (1976-1985)
• Training Day 4K (2001)
• Rocky 4K (1976)
• Puss in Boots: The Last Wish 4K (2022)
• Kubo and the Two Strings 4K (2016)
• The Texas Chain Saw Massacre 4K (1974)
• The Boxtrolls 4K (2014)
• Scream 4K (1996)
• Devotion 4K (2022)
• John Wick 1-3 4K (2014-2019) - Stash Book Collection Box Set

[Lee A Stewart]

How many times do you buy the same movie? LD, DVD, BD and now UHD-BD.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by lee a stewart

how many times do you buy the same movie? Ld, dvd, bd and now uhd-bd.

4

(I didn't buy many LDs but still 4 because sometimes there's good remaster)

For Terminator 2 there's a subscribe and save option.

Of course some folks never bought the older formats or got rid of them so in that case the UHD-BD is all you need.

[stonesfan129]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

How many times do you buy the same movie? LD, DVD, BD and now UHD-BD.

I share the sentiment. I am only upgrading things to 4KBD if it's a night-and-day improvement over the standard BD. Like some early BD titles I own that were encoded in MPEG-2 such as Lord Of War, Mission Impossible 1-3, etc. The 4Ks look much better.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by bhampton

They will always maintain the servers for your online content and you will always have access to your online content until for one reason or another suddenly you don't.
=Brian

You're right my Movie Collection is on a Server, but not just one I can access it from Amazon, MA, Vudu, and Google. It should be very easy to move to any other Provider that will Support my Collection, including my ISP. Now Disc have a few limitations first is having a good Player, because those Oppo's are getting Long in the Tooth. Then the Studios will start cutting back, because it won't be Cost Effective. The Average Cost of BD which includes 4K UHD is around $20, and you guys seem to buy 4K's averaging around $15. The Cost of making Discs according to some YouTubers, for BD 1.5 X DVD and 4K 6.5 X DVD. The Studios won't make their Break Even Point let alone a Profit, so Disc Production will be Cut!

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You're right my Movie Collection is on a Server, but not just one I can access it from Amazon, MA, Vudu, and Google. It should be very easy to move to any other Provider that will Support my Collection, including my ISP.

You think that if Amazon removes a movie from your digital collection your ISP will provide support instead?

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

How many times do you buy the same movie? LD, DVD, BD and now UHD-BD.

Depends on the movie and what, if any, advantage a newer format may have. Have had some titles on LD and repurchased on DVD, D-Theater, Blu-ray and UHD Blu-ray.

Have purchased Blade Runner numerous times and got moneys worth each time. IF T2 were ever released with a true upgrade in PQ then I would buy it for like the 7th time.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

You think that if Amazon removes a movie from your digital collection your ISP will provide support instead?

As usual, trolling and posting about stuff he has no idea about how it works. Really .

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You're right my Movie Collection is on a Server, but not just one I can access it from Amazon, MA, Vudu, and Google. It should be very easy to move to any other Provider that will Support my Collection, including my ISP. Now Disc has a few limitations first is having a good Player, because those Oppo's are getting Long in the Tooth. Then the Studios will start cutting back, because it won't be Cost Effective. The Average Cost of BD which includes 4K UHD is around $20, and you guys seem to buy 4K's averaging around $15. The Cost of making Discs according to some YouTubers, for BD 1.5 X DVD and 4K 6.5 X DVD. The Studios won't make their Break Even Point let alone a Profit, so Disc Production will be Cut!

Your fantasy predictions reflect a hope that physical media will somehow get too expensive for everyone involved.

Meanwhile, streaming has never been a profitable business. They are raising prices and adding ads and cracking down on password sharing all to try to someday have a profitable business.

I've been collecting movies for years and in my experience the price is stable. It was more expensive in the days of laserdisc.

Yes, a player is needed to play them. I don't use an Oppo. My player is still made and sold and still under warranty.

Why campaign against physical media ? ...

The only thing I can think of is you don't want to visit a friend and wonder why movies look and sound so much better than at home.