Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bhampton

ok so I'll ask again and if no one responds the second time I'll take the hint,

We have some professional predictors here so which will go away first ...

Subscription services
Online Movie services
Physical Media

Say I have Star wars on D+, own it on iTunes and have the UHD BD.

Which will I lose first access to ?

I'm betting online movie lockers are the first to go and the only thing in danger of being replaced by subscriptions. Subscriptions is the new cable.

Also, personally I think piracy will be considered cyber crime and become less common and far more dangerous for the end user.

And on that topic, Alchav can you tell me more about your IPTV DVR gizmo ? Sounds kind of sketchy.

-Brian

Online movie services, including ‘lockers’. I have always said they are the new ‘MP3’ download. Meant to be the future but now sitting collecting digital dust on hard drives or iPods while most of the mainstream stream Spotify or Apple Music.

I see direct parallels to be honest.

Music streaming services are also deeply flawed and something needs to change there in the future.

So again, parallels in the sense that what replaces one format is deeply unstable. (MP3 to streams, Digital movies to subscription services’)

Who knows how it turns out, but I’m secure with ownership of my discs.

[bhampton]

I agree.

I think the future path of movies will be

Theatrical (if it's any good),
Premium subscription access and physical media,
Ad based viewing for the worst content and the laziest end users.

iTunes, Fandango/Vudu, MoviesAnywhere is all disposable now and likely going away soon.

[stonesfan129]

Originally Posted by bhampton

iTunes, Fandango/Vudu, MoviesAnywhere is all disposable now and likely going away soon.

Seriously though, when those services eventually go away, and people start asking for refunds and get told "no, you never actually 'owned' it;" will it kick off a tidal wave of class-action lawsuits?

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

Seriously though, when those services eventually go away, and people start asking for refunds and get told "no, you never actually 'owned' it;" will it kick off a tidal wave of class-action lawsuits?

A while back all the terms and conditions were edited to the first thing you agree to is no class action arbitration.

Just check them it's already there.

Vudu -If you have a Dispute (as defined below) with us that cannot be resolved informally or in small claims court, you will not have the right to pursue a claim in court or have a jury decide the claim

MoviesAnywhere decided on the all caps version - ANY DISPUTE BETWEEN YOU AND US MUST BE RESOLVED BY INDIVIDUAL BINDING ARBITRATION.

Still reading Apple's terms but they like the all caps version too...BY USING THE SERVICES, YOU AGREE, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, TO INDEMNIFY AND HOLD APPLE, ITS DIRECTORS, OFFICERS, EMPLOYEES, AFFILIATES, AGENTS, CONTRACTORS, AND LICENSORS HARMLESS WITH RESPECT TO ANY CLAIMS ARISING OUT OF YOUR BREACH OF THIS AGREEMENT



All of them made you agree to no class action already. People will no doubt try and cry class action will meet with the giggles of those who know how to read.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I agree.

I think the future path of movies will be

Theatrical (if it's any good),
Premium subscription access and physical media,
Ad based viewing for the worst content and the laziest end users.

iTunes, Fandango/Vudu, MoviesAnywhere is all disposable now and likely going away soon.

Availability on streaming services will still be important as will licensing to other studios. Ad supported or otherwise.

But yeah, theatrical first please!

[Ender14]

Hollywood’s Next Reckoning: Studios Get Real About Runaway Spending on Streaming

https://variety.com/2023/tv/features...ng-1235483366/

The math on the costs of streaming versus earnings potential isn’t adding up, which is why every major media and entertainment conglomerate ended the year with double-digit declines in their stock prices.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Nobody cares about your Technical question and it makes you look like a smug elitist.

That would be the view of some one like you. Others that have some technical skills have appreciated my assistance whether by post or PM.

I just hope the other members of High End Equipment don't share your narrow minded thoughts.

Actually I am much broader minded than you, been streaming much longer than you and have invested much more into streaming than you.

We all love the notion of Story Telling and Film, and it shouldn't be just one Physical Format....Because it's All Digital!!!

There’s that statement again that makes you look like a , again. Being all binary (digital) has absolutely no bearing on the technical quality of the content. I can easily encode a bad VHS to digital.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by unberechenbar

Nope. Have a big backlog so it'll be a while before I get around to it. Will share my thoughts here when I do though.

Amazon had the UHD BD for like $5.99 so I just purchased it.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Ender14

Hollywood’s Next Reckoning: Studios Get Real About Runaway Spending on Streaming

Sure hope streamers do not start employing canceling tactics like cable, satellite, SiriusXM and others. I have several subs that I start, watch what I want then cancel. Do not do this for Prime because of shipping, for Netflix I switch between the low and high tier (without ads).

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Sure hope streamers do not start employing canceling tactics like cable, satellite, SiriusXM and others. I have several subs that I start, watch what I want then cancel. Do not do this for Prime because of shipping, for Netflix I switch between the low and high tier (without ads).

Almost a cert I would say.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

Seriously though, when those services eventually go away, and people start asking for refunds and get told "no, you never actually 'owned' it;" will it kick off a tidal wave of class-action lawsuits?

Haven't we been here before?

When Sony closed down their Video store FMP-X1 and FMP-X10 owners lost access to content they had purchased and downloaded to the device HDD. Some tried to get a group class action going till I posted the TOS/EULA that we all had signed.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Ender14

Hollywood’s Next Reckoning: Studios Get Real About Runaway Spending on Streaming

https://variety.com/2023/tv/features...ng-1235483366/

Great read. Thanks for sharing.

[Boccaccio]

Originally Posted by bhampton

ok so I'll ask again and if no one responds the second time I'll take the hint,

We have some professional predictors here so which will go away first ...

Subscription services
Online Movie services
Physical Media

I have Star wars on D+, own it on iTunes and have the UHD BD. Which will I lose first?

I'm betting online movie lockers are the first to go and the only thing in danger of being replaced by subscriptions. Subscriptions is the new cable.

Also, personally I think piracy will be considered cyber crime and become less common and far more dangerous for the end user. Everything is driven by pure greed now so piracy will be an easy target.

And on that topic, Alchav can you tell me more about your IPTV DVR? Is it legit? DRM maintained ? If your a movie pirate it's going to affect how I value your opinions and theories about home video.

-Brian

Your UHD will definitely last the longest. Unless you sell it, it will never disappear.

[Boccaccio]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Availability on streaming services will still be important as will licensing to other studios. Ad supported or otherwise.

But yeah, theatrical first please!

The streaming companies should stop thinking of themselves as streaming only and consider themselves more a regular movie studio. Get the most profit possible from every angle.

Make a movie--->Release it in cinemas--->Wait at least 4 months--->Release it simultaneously on disc, digital and streaming

They can even sell the rights for cable after a few years.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Boccaccio

The streaming companies should stop thinking of themselves as streaming only and consider themselves more a regular movie studio. Get the most profit possible from every angle.

Make a movie--->Release it in cinemas--->Wait at least 4 months--->Release it simultaneously on disc, digital and streaming

They can even sell the rights for cable after a few years.

Agreed mate. They will learn though.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by bhampton

We have some professional predictors here so which will go away first ...

Subscription services
Online Movie services
Physical Media

I have Star wars on D+, own it on iTunes and have the UHD BD. Which will I lose first?

I'm betting online movie lockers are the first to go and the only thing in danger of being replaced by subscriptions. Subscriptions is the new cable.

And on that topic, Alchav can you tell me more about your IPTV DVR? Is it legit? DRM maintained ? If your a movie pirate it's going to affect how I value your opinions and theories about home video.

-Brian

I think Discs will be the first to go, because Subscription and Online Movies are Backboned with Amazon and they are going nowhere.

As for IPTV DVR that is provided by my Fiber ISP, they put it on their Intranet and I can access it from any TV in my house that's on the Ethernet Network.

[bhampton]

Watching my Blu Ray of Jaws 2 excited to think about the upcomming remaster for UHD BD.



Happy Friday

[cheez avenger]

Had to put my discs aside for a bit since I'm still knee deep binging 24 (Kiefer Sutherland series from the early 2000's) on Hulu and started playing Fallout 76 again.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I think Discs will be the first to go, because Subscription and Online Movies are Backboned with Amazon and they are going nowhere.

None of them are ever going to go away completely. The main difference is that less support for streaming means that streaming titles will disappear (from both subscriptions and collections). With physical media all of the discs that have already been released will continue to function regardless of how little support discs get in the future.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

None of them are ever going to go away completely. The main difference is that less support for streaming means that streaming titles will disappear (from both subscriptions and collections). With physical media all of the discs that have already been released will continue to function regardless of how little support discs get in the future.

I feel the same way, but only for Physical because Disc Failure and Player Failure will do the same thing. It's happening already that Disc and Player Failure are happening more frequently. 4K Discs are Freezing and not playing properly. So you better find a good Tech or Tech Shop to fix your problems, or do it yourself. The Players coming out are expensive and what you have to rely on, but not as good as your Oppos!