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Old 12-04-2022, 11:50 PM   #1
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Arrow Value Electronics UST and Long Throw Projector Shootout

Just wanted to give Blu-ray.com a heads-up on our December 10-11, 2022 UST and Long Throw Projector Shootout.

Our official Press Release will be distributed to all of the media tomorrow morning and I'll post it here too.

This is the art that Dealerscope made for their Linkedin post. It only lists some of the companies that have paid advertising, the complete list of models and all of the details of the event will be in my press release.


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Old 12-05-2022, 03:13 PM   #2
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I just put our Press Release on the Projector Shootout webpage.

Seems like their is no way to upload just the .pdf so please visit the Shootout web page to see the press release and more information on our Shootout Evaluation events.
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Old 12-07-2022, 01:59 AM   #3
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Check out these very informative and well written articles about our Dec. 10-11, 2022 UST and Long Throw Projector Shootout Evaluation event.

Best Home Theater Projectors and UST Projectors To Be Revealed at the 2022 Projector Shootout by Big Picture Big Sound

Value-Electronics-hosts-projector-shootout-event"]Value Electronics Hosts Projector Shootout Event by CEPro

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Old 12-09-2022, 10:37 PM   #4
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Just lined up most of the UST and Long Throw Projectors for this quick picture.

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Old 12-10-2022, 12:38 AM   #5
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One more early peak of us setting up for tomorrow event.

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Robert thanks for taking the time and all the hard work to have this event on December 10th in New York city. Many people like the quality of projectors and are waiting to see and hear the results.
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Old 12-10-2022, 04:10 PM   #7
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We unveiled and demonstrated Hisense's next generation of UST Laser TV, the L9H at our UST Shootout Evaluation event. Here's the url link with more information and a list of the upgrade with Hisense's new UST advancements:

https://valueelectronics.com/product...reen-included/

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Here's the url for today's Long Throw Projector Shootout Evaluation event:
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Old 12-12-2022, 02:29 PM   #9
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Here's a great article about our Long Throw Projector Shootout Evaluation event that also lists all of the results.

https://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/B...Shootout.shtml
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Top industry experts speak at our Projector Shootout on the future of projectors.

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Old 12-13-2022, 03:57 AM   #11
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Here's a great article about our Long Throw Projector Shootout Evaluation event that also lists all of the results.

https://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/B...Shootout.shtml
JVC once again is the leader in the best ceiling mounted long throw LCOS projector, with the projector offering both HDR10+ and HDR10, with Sony a close second with only HDR10. Both LCOS projectors are excellent native 4K projectors for under $30,000. Some LCOS projectors run around $80,000 for the top of the line, so if one has a dedicated home theater room the under $30,000 LCOS from JVC and Sony are ideal. JVC’s native 4K light engine even offers simulated 8K e-shift technology.

In a educated guess I am estimating that JVC and Sony will not have native 8K projectors until 2026+. That is the year we should also see some native 8K content by optical disc and/or streaming. Hopefully by then JVC and Sony will offer both HDR10+ and Dolby Vision HDR from one projector. Dolby just needs to work with JVC and Sony and maybe make a dual LCOS projector design similar to what dual DLP projectors do in IMAX and Dolby Cinema theaters (dual projectors would be idea for passive glasses 3D technology). Of course, a lower quality home version of Dolby Vision HDR should work with one projector design. Something for the hardware and software engineers to work on in the years to come.

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The JVCs have HDR10+ today. Quite frankly, the differences are small versus the internal dynamic tone mapping on HDR10. However, it can slightly improve some highlights based on comparisons I've done.

My guess is JVC is on three year product cycles which would mean Cedia 2024 would be the next major announcement. I would also think (hope) they will include the next gen chip. The 4K chip used today stems from the NX units. I would like to see native contrast go higher (as good as it is today). RGB laser would be interesting too. Maybe they can take their very good dynamic tone mapping up a notch. I think native 8K is a possibility at least on the upper end model although there is not a chance in hell there will be another disc format after UHD BD 4K. Physical media is rapidly shrinking and there are hardly any new players being released at least from the bigger companies (Sony, Panasonic, etc). Any 8K will be streaming, or services like K-Scape. JVC does so many things well, so it's a matter of getting even better which they've always been able to do.

Moreover, will JVC release a lower end laser unit that competes with the Epson LS10000 or Sony 5000? My guess is the NP5 is the last lamp-based projector they make (which I own and love), but have to believe they will have something in that lower priced laser tier for D-ILA. Maybe that happens in 2024.

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@HDTV1080P and @HeavyHitter thank you for your very good posts!

All good information and I agree with your assumptions on what we can expect in the near future.
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This is a good article from Sound and Vision magazine:

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"The main news of the event is that JVC won each of the three Shootout categories. Based on the criteria, conditions, and materials used to evaluate the projectors, it is no surprise that JVC emerged as the winner, especially with the NZ8 and NZ9 models covering the high-end. In addition to edging out the competing Sonys for black levels, the JVC projectors often do a visibly better job with HDR content, sometimes dramatically. But that doesn't mean there's nothing more to glean from the results."

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...ectors-crowned
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I wish JVC and Sony would start making and selling tabletop short throw LCOS 4K projectors with legacy 3D. Since some consumers do not want to remodel their home theater room for a ceiling mounted projector, and instead a table top short throw projector is easy to install in a bedroom or second room where the existing flat panel screen is located.

Personally I prefer ceiling mounted projectors for the main home theater room, but I would love to have a short throw table top projector that would replace my flat panel screens in other rooms. It would need to be native 4K (8K in 2026+) and with the legacy 3D feature.

DLP and LCD can do short throw. I just wish Sony and JVC had some LCOS short throw projectors. Of course the image quality will most likely always be a little better on the ceiling mounted long throw projector unless technology improves a lot on the short throw.

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Wait for ^ 2024.
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Old 12-14-2022, 03:32 AM   #17
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Here's a couple more quotes from Sound & Vision's new Chief Editor, Mark Henninger who just published this article on our Projector Shootout:

"I attended to see all the competing projectors do their thing in person and for the excellent conversations with people who know their stuff when it comes to projection.
The host for the event was Philip Jones, the owner, Technical Editor, and Lead Reviewer at ProjectorReviews.com.

Jason Dustal of Muridio, who is an ISF instructor, ensured that the nine projectors featured in the shootout were all set up properly and handled the media and technical aspects of running the shootout. Test material included a mix of scenes from movies, clips specifically designed for video analysis, as well as test patterns.

A Photo Finish for the $4000-$7000 Category

Before the evaluation part of the event even began, host Robert Zohn gave a speech and made a salient point that you can arrive at different conclusions than the judges using the category scoring, basing it on your own needs. And this is the perspective from which I have concluded the real news is that the Sony WX5000ES scored an 8.9 to the JVC's 9.0 (overall), but it costs a thousand bucks less and has a laser light source. That makes it the real winner in terms of price/performance, and therefore value—even if it does not get to wear a crown.'
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The Sonys have been measured around 8,500:1 native contrast by reputable people where as the JVC NP5 is closer to 25-30,000:1 native. That is a significant difference and will be very visible for blacks, but might take a darker room. JVC also has dynamic tone mapping which will help a lot more with HDR where the Sony is using their own form of static mapping. Finally, the Sonys have a track record of engine block deterioration. It remains to be seen how this new line does. I think the JVC is a far better value UNLESS you're turning your projector on and off constantly or using it like a TV for long hours. That is the real benefit of laser along with the extra brightness if you really need it.

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The Value Electronics Projector Shootout evaluation event took place this past weekend at The Company building in NYC. An esteemed panel of expert judges were gathered to evaluate important elements of picture quality in SDR and HDR to determine the “King of Projectors.”

Here’s a link to the results for each projector event, with a detailed break-down of the scores in each category.

Day 1 on Saturday, 12/10 Ultra Short Throw (UST) Projectors were evaluated. Top models were selected to compete in the event:

- AWOL’s LTV-3500
- Epson’s LS800B
- Hisense’s PX1-PRO
- LG’s HU915QB
- Samsung’s LSP9T
- LG's HU915QB won the top prize and has been crowned the “King of UST Projectors.” The LG HU915QB took a nice lead, winning 9 of the 15 categories being judged, and winning the overall average of all scores in HDR, SDR, and combined totals. The AWOL LTV-3500 had a commanding lead in bright content and took second place. Epson’s LS800B, Hisense’s PX1-PRO, and Samsung’s LSP9T were almost tied for third place, although the Epson came in third, winning 3 of the 15 categories.

Attendees also enjoyed a surprise showing of the next generation Hisense Laser TV model, L9H, which was available for viewing with a 100” screen. AWOL’s “Vanish Laser TV” which comes included with an UST projector, cabinet, and rollable screen was also on display outside the Projector Shootout room.

Day 2 on Sunday, 12/11 Long Throw Home Theater Projectors were evaluated in three different price categories.

First was the $4,000 to $7,000 price range, which included:

- Epson’s LS12000
- LG’s AU810PB
- JVC’s DLA-NP5
- Sony’s VPL-XW5000ES

It was a close competition with the first two contenders, Sony and JVC at almost a tie with only one tenth of a point difference in overall score, but the JVC NP5 narrowly took first place. The Sony had an advantage in bright content, upscaling and tone mapping, but JVC’s benefits in near black, color accuracy, and motion gave it the win.

Next was the mid-priced projectors in the $11,000 to $16,000 category:

- Sony’s VPL-XW6000ES
- JVC’s DLA-NZ7
- JVC’s DLA-NZ8
- JVC's DLA-NZ8 took a slight edge in this section with its high score for near black and HDR performance. However, among the two closer priced models, Sony’s XW6000ES and JVC’s NZ7, the Sony had the better SDR performance and overall score.

The final long throw projector category was in the $25,000 to $30,000 price range:

- Sony’s VPL-XW7000ES
- JVC’s DLA-NZ9
- Although the Sony did very well in both Bright Content and 1000 Nit Tone Mapping Categories, the JVC’s lead in Near Black and Sharpness gave it the win.

On both days, all screens were provided by Seymour AV. Seymour’s 120” screen with reference Radiant White Material was used to give the most pure and equal playing field for the projectors. Switching, test, and distribution equipment was provided by AVPro with Murideo’s new 8x8 48Gbps HDMI matrix switch. The HDMI 2.1 cables were provided my MetraAV.

Here’s the Panel of Expert Judges:

- Charlie Anderson Digital Imaging Technician and Cinematographer
- David Mackenzie, Compressionist, Fidelity in Motion
- Ilya Akiyoshi, Digital Imaging Technician, Cinematographer/Producer
- Kenneth Almestica, Senior Technical Director, Viacom
- Phil Jones, Lead Reviewer and Technical Editor, ProjectorReviews.com
- Brent McCall Technical Specialist, HDMI Product Development and Support, Metra AV
- Shane Lee, A/V YouTube Channel Owner and Video Enthusiast

Congratulations to all the top rated models competing in the event!

Let me know if anyone has any questions or would like to have our quotation for any of the projectors that competed in our event. Please tell us you came from Blu-ray.com
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Very informative video by ecoustics with Chris Boylan and Brian Mitchel

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