Filmmaker mode striking a blow against motion smoothing

[dirkblack]

I purchased the LG 65NANO906NA (2020) LED HDR NanoCell 4K Ultra HD Smart TV, 65 inch yesterday and I tried the Filmmaker Mode with my 4K of Dunkirk.

Now obviously I’m happy that I’ve got a great tv and maybe that may be slightly affecting my opinion, but...

I thought it was Fantastic. I had previously seen Dunkirk at the Cinema and had remembered it fairly well and at the touch of a button it felt like I was back there.

I’m really looking forward to trying out other titles that carry this feature.

I don’t think there’s a definitive list yet, but my first impression are extremely positive.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by dirkblack

I purchased the LG 65NANO906NA (2020) LED HDR NanoCell 4K Ultra HD Smart TV, 65 inch yesterday and I tried the Filmmaker Mode with my 4K of Dunkirk.

Now obviously I’m happy that I’ve got a great tv and maybe that may be slightly affecting my opinion, but...

I thought it was Fantastic. I had previously seen Dunkirk at the Cinema and had remembered it fairly well and at the touch of a button it felt like I was back there.

I’m really looking forward to trying out other titles that carry this feature.

I don’t think there’s a definitive list yet, but my first impression are extremely positive.

You know that Filmmaker Mode is just a TV setting and has nothing to do with select content "carrying" or supporting it, yes? It's a mode designed to make the TV resemble the intended picture quality and objective video mastering standards that all content is mastered to.

All FM does is turn off most or all of the extraneous processing crap on the TV, put it into the correct levels of brightness, contrast, sharpness and colour, and set it to the correct colour temperature. It's not doing anything you couldn't do yourself with a good setup disc, it's just turning off that Vivid Mode shit that people love so much

[LordoftheRings]

Well, that's a benefit right there for most folks.

[jibucha]

helpful information?

• i do believe that many do not understand how 'FilmMaker Mode' works
• 'essentially' - it works with 'all' film and television content
• 'simply' - the FilmMaker Mode - just needs to be 'on' (selected)
• displays/remote - some displays turn-on via the remote (on/off button) - others have a picture mode on the television that can be turned on/off (when turned-on, it auto detects using 'various' flags, both legacy & the new 'specified' flag as expected)
• LG OLED CX :: my display has a picture mode that i leave on
• so - whenever either movies or television show are watched, they're automatically in FilmMaker Mode
• exceptions? - Dolby Vision
• Dolby Vision & FilmMaker Mode - amazingly similiar (both - simply outstanding)
• FilmMaker Mode - it's 'more' than the settings 'known to users'
• FilmMaker Mode - it's 'more' than 'just another picture mode & settings'
• FilmMaker Mode - it does not require a single embedded flag in content as is commonly thought - it does work as effectively with legacy content
• FilmMaker Mode - i use it daily on most everything that i watch with the single exception of Dolby Vision which is still an improvement
• FilmMaker Mode - i find it remarkable (enough so that i am selling my LG OLED C7 - 'just' for Filmmaker Mode picture performance - which otherwise is fantastic) -
• FilmMaker Mode - 'for myself' - it's the number one feature - without which i would not purchase a particular television (the other two? - Dolby Vision & NextGenTV)

Originally Posted by dirkblack

I purchased the LG 65NANO906NA (2020) LED HDR NanoCell 4K Ultra HD Smart TV, 65 inch yesterday and I tried the Filmmaker Mode with my 4K of Dunkirk.

Now obviously I’m happy that I’ve got a great tv and maybe that may be slightly affecting my opinion, but...

I thought it was Fantastic. I had previously seen Dunkirk at the Cinema and had remembered it fairly well and at the touch of a button it felt like I was back there.

I’m really looking forward to trying out other titles that carry this feature.

I don’t think there’s a definitive list yet, but my first impression are extremely positive.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

You know that Filmmaker Mode is just a TV setting and has nothing to do with select content "carrying" or supporting it, yes? It's a mode designed to make the TV resemble the intended picture quality and objective video mastering standards that all content is mastered to.

All FM does is turn off most or all of the extraneous processing crap on the TV, put it into the correct levels of brightness, contrast, sharpness and colour, and set it to the correct colour temperature. It's not doing anything you couldn't do yourself with a good setup disc, it's just turning off that Vivid Mode shit that people love so much

I think there was some intention to have content flagged for Filmmaker Mode, so it would switch our displays automatically, but the last time I looked into it, there weren't any discs waving that flag. So it's like you said, Geoff, just another picture mode.

[jibucha]

i agree - with regards to 'intent' (how it works)
although - it's not 'just another picture mode'
it works - with legacy content (movies & tv shows - equally - with or without the 'special' flag)

Originally Posted by chip75

I think there was some intention to have content flagged for Filmmaker Mode, so it would switch our displays automatically, but the last time I looked into it, there weren't any discs waving that flag. So it's like you said, Geoff, just another picture mode.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by jibucha

i agree - with regards to 'intent' (how it works)
although - it's not 'just another picture mode'
it works - with legacy content (movies & tv shows - equally - with or without the 'special' flag)

At the moment it's not much more than a Movie or Cinema (or Custom) mode, both of which will turn off most if not all post-processing depending on the manufacturer.

[Geoff D]

That's exactly what it is, and it's not doing some special secret sauce to the image like people think it is, the entire point is that it turns OFF the manufacturer's secret sauce and presents the image as unmolested as possible, setting the SDR mode to 100 nits as recommended for SDR for example.

It's as simple as that, and anyone who's had a professional calibration will literally have their own Filmmaker Mode (better even because you're actually setting the greyscale properly across the range with a metered calibration). This is why it "works" with all content because all content has been mastered to these baseline specs, it's not the TV making the content do something it's not supposed to do.

I mean, I'm very glad that people are actually enjoying it, I'm just surprised because it's the anti-Vivid Mode and there are also people on here who've run away screaming from it (too dull, too yellow, too soft etc). I should give people more credit, but at the same time I can't help but correct them when they talk of this as being some kind of witchcraft that isn't attainable any other way. Uhh....nope

[LordoftheRings]

@ least it's a step in the right direction.

[film11]

Cant call it filmmaker mode when the unit lacks 3D. Guess filmmakers intent is conditional.

[dirkblack]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

You know that Filmmaker Mode is just a TV setting and has nothing to do with select content "carrying" or supporting it, yes? It's a mode designed to make the TV resemble the intended picture quality and objective video mastering standards that all content is mastered to.

All FM does is turn off most or all of the extraneous processing crap on the TV, put it into the correct levels of brightness, contrast, sharpness and colour, and set it to the correct colour temperature. It's not doing anything you couldn't do yourself with a good setup disc, it's just turning off that Vivid Mode shit that people love so much

I know, but don’t ruin it for me. I want to imagine that Christopher Nolan has personally fed his exact specs into my tv.

[themilford]

Filmmaker Mode still looks like live TV on my brand new Samsung QN55QN85A

I primarily watch Blurays of older flicks from the 70s and 80s... mostly Vinegar Syndrome horror restos as well as some Shudder via my Apple TV HD (not 4k). So, of course as soon as I get the TV I go in a turn off all traces of any "motion smoothing" or any bells and whistles at all... I start watching in the Filmmaker Mode.

But no matter the source or the material it STILL looks like live sports or soap opera... There doesn't seem to be any other features to turn off completely...

I find this unacceptable, and will likely return it and get something else, but can you guys help me figure out which route to go? I'm told Sony would be the best bet as they have the most adjustable setting and that LG might also be better. Anybody have firsthand experience or similar issues to me? I really don't think movies shot in 1982 or 173 on 16mm should look the way this TV makes them look. It's awful.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
DJ

[avs commenter]

Filmmaker mode is worthless for me. It's not available when watching DV and it's far too dim to watch during the day with natural light.

[Spooked]

Apologies for resurrecting this thread, but I just came across this video today, and thought he made some good points. Food for thought!

Filmmaker Mode: Worse Judder is NOT Cinematic - it's still bad - YouTube

[Canada]

Better to resurrect an old thread than create a new one.

[Retroj23]

Filmmaker Mode on my LG C1 looks very washed out and blacks look grey. Am I missing something?

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Retroj23

Filmmaker Mode on my LG C1 looks very washed out and blacks look grey. Am I missing something?

Have you tried adjusting the black level or does FMM lock out the controls?

[Retroj23]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Have you tried adjusting the black level or does FMM lock out the controls?

I tried adjusting the brightness and black levels but the image became too dark. Weird, because I have heard good things about this setting. I'll have to look more into it.

[BaronVH]

Recent to the 4K arena. Cost and motion smoothing was something that kept me away, plus my plasma showed movies wonderfully and still does. Did some remodel and got a Sony OLED with an Atmos sound. I have to say it took a long time to get the settings right, as I had to disable the processing on each input and device. The global cinema mode does not remove all processing. It would have been nice to have a filmmaker mode global setting. With everything tweaked it is absolutely amazing. I was worried at first, and I feel like I am cheating on my old Pioneer Elite. As an aside, that Elite has had zero issues and is still working as good as it did on day one. I also have no idea how someone that is not tech savvy could setup a new TV. Took about an hour of tinkering, and I know what I am doing. I could have accidentally given Sony rights to all my medical records, tax records, and personal privacy rights until the end of time.

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by Retroj23

Filmmaker Mode on my LG C1 looks very washed out and blacks look grey. Am I missing something?

Personally, I don't use the Filmmaker Mode on my LG because, I don't like the way it looks, and it eliminates the HDR and Dolby Vision.