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Old 04-13-2018, 12:41 PM   #1
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Old 04-13-2018, 01:00 PM   #2
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Old 04-13-2018, 01:20 PM   #3
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A great film, but with Olive releasing I guess that means it will be barebones.

FYI: The UK BFI release is the one to get if you are multi-region as it is packed with some fantastic extras. For me, the 63 minute Robert Ryan interview is the most cherished as it is so hard to find any interviews of one of my favorite actors. There is also a 50 minute Belafonte interview, a 74 minute one with Robert Wise and a 30 minute appreciation of the film by Adrian Wooton.
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Old 04-13-2018, 02:05 PM   #4
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I thought this came out already, but I must have been thinking of the UK one. Would be nice if Olive just made this a Signature edition from the start, and included a couple of extras too.
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Old 04-13-2018, 03:17 PM   #5
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Great movie... and I'm gonna have to agree with Jaymole that the BFI release is excellent and unless Olive goes all out, probably the way to go if you're region free.
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I thought this came out already, but I must have been thinking of the UK one. Would be nice if Olive just made this a Signature edition from the start, and included a couple of extras too.
You may be thinking of "Odd Man Out"
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Anyone know any information on the correct aspect ratio for Odds Against Tomorrow? My old DVD is full frame but I always thought that was strange as the film is from 1959 when most films were shot in wide screen. Was it shot open matte for TV and cinematic exhibition?
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Anyone know any information on the correct aspect ratio for Odds Against Tomorrow? My old DVD is full frame but I always thought that was strange as the film is from 1959 when most films were shot in wide screen. Was it shot open matte for TV and cinematic exhibition?
1.37 : 1 (negative ratio)
1.85 : 1 (intended ratio)

I have the UK BFI release and it's 4X3

As far as I know, there were still films being made at the time in this aspect ratio. And it was the last film director Robert Wise made in the old aspect ratio.

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Old 05-11-2018, 08:36 AM   #10
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I should add more films of this era in my collection.
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Anyone know any information on the correct aspect ratio for Odds Against Tomorrow? My old DVD is full frame but I always thought that was strange as the film is from 1959 when most films were shot in wide screen. Was it shot open matte for TV and cinematic exhibition?
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Old 05-11-2018, 04:50 PM   #12
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I heard it was shot in the old 1:33 ratio and that is how it was released on Blu-ray in the U.K. It is weird that they filmed it like that, but it looks great.
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ODDS AGAINST TOMORROW (1959) was not filmed in 1.33 and was never supposed to be shown that way. The American DVD and the U.K. bluray were incorrectly framed transfers.

Robert Wise became a strictly widescreen theatrical director with EXECUTIVE SUITE, released in April 1954. He made a point of telling people, at his seminars and lectures, that he never compromised his composition for television, never provided a TV safe alternate. Never. He wanted the theatrical experience to be the one people remembered. He never directed a television program and he never again shot in the old Academy ratio after 1954. EXECUTIVE SUITE was 1.75-1 but he would shoot in either 1.85-1 spherical or the anamorphic ratios usually 2.35-1.

That doesn't mean networks and studios couldn't print a film in the wrong ratio and show it, and then when home video came into existence press that to a DVD and bluray. I think the Brits were misinformed by MGM about the ratio when they sent over the incorrect transfer.

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Anyone knows if the subtitles are yellow, as it is often (or always?) the case with Olive releases, at least from the moment they (finally!) decided to add that feature? By the way, couldn't Blu-ray.com always give that additional info regarding subtitles? And why not giving us one (just one!) screenshot with subtitles ON, as some other review sites do? Thanks for the info.
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I watched the Olive release last night and while the framing seemed fine had I not read anything previously about the two versions, I was admiring the opening title sequence, and waiting to see who created it, but the credit was actually cut off on the bottom (I am assuming) due to the 1.85 : 1 cropping. So now I am very confused. Why would the opening titles be created from a more open framing, if the main picture was always intended to run at 1.85 : 1?
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As I understand, it was shot open matte (full frame/1:33) and then screened at cinemas in 1:85, as is/was often the case... But hey, it was so long ago.
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As I understand, it was shot open matte (full frame/1:33) and then screened at cinemas in 1:85, as is/was often the case... But hey, it was so long ago.
Filmed full frame with the intention of matting? Because if that was the case, why would the opening title design be designed for full frame and then have credits cut out when matted? I wonder if the BFI restoration cropped the sides of the opening so that it could be full frame, and when the Olive release wanted to matte the movie correctly, it didn't have the complete credits to work from?
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Filmed full frame with the intention of matting? Because if that was the case, why would the opening title design be designed for full frame and then have credits cut out when matted? I wonder if the BFI restoration cropped the sides of the opening so that it could be full frame, and when the Olive release wanted to matte the movie correctly, it didn't have the complete credits to work from?
That's a good point. I think it was shot in 1:33.1 ratio to look like all the classic film noirs, but people get really outraged if you say that. I'm glad it has come out both ways because I will stick with the U.K. version with all the extras. If you want it the other way buy the no frills U.S. edition.
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Filmed full frame with the intention of matting? Because if that was the case, why would the opening title design be designed for full frame and then have credits cut out when matted? I wonder if the BFI restoration cropped the sides of the opening so that it could be full frame, and when the Olive release wanted to matte the movie correctly, it didn't have the complete credits to work from?
I've noticed this, and it bothers me, too. I was going to wait until I got home tonight to take another look at the three sources, but your post wants answering now. The font "odds against tomorrow" is an insert shot, inserted into the main title sequence replacing the original font that was too spread out and off the frame. But both are 1959 title fonts. I believe the incorrect font is on the DVD and in the trailer, but I have to check. The copyright notice isn't under the replacement font. There's more to it than that. More later.
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Additionally, I wish there were more bottom image allowed in the transfer, but 1.85-1 is what the director and dp wanted. It looks terrific, in any case.
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