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Old 04-02-2021, 11:21 AM   #61
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Oh, no!

There are only 20 copies of DYNASTY that have not yet been delivered and all were mailed last Friday. Sigh...
Hey! Complaining here must have done something! Just woke up and now Dynasty is out for delivery! It's going to be a wild 3D weekend, I think!
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Old 04-02-2021, 04:11 PM   #62
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I got my copy and auto-translated the subtitles. Unfortunately, they still need a lot of work before becoming a decent English-language file.
I have done likewise. It took a real effort for me to get the .sup ripped and converted to .srt, since I had never done any of this before.

Some idea of the amount of dialogue can be had by noting that there are more than 1,100 subtitles in this relatively brief movie! And I note that the originating editor on the Italian subtitles follows different style practices than some subtitle providers I could name in North America. I only mention this because it was for me an interesting discovery.

I downloaded software that I think is meant to place subtitles precisely along the z-axis, but given how much negative parallax is on display in places (especially during that opening monologue!), proper placement could be tough going. Plus, I haven't played with it yet, so I don't know how well the software works.

First impressions of the movie itself: I love the color palette. I think it suits this particular film beautifully. I think Totò is a very gifted physical comic, very funny to watch even when one cannot understand a word being said. The girls are pretty. The setting is reasonably convincing and gives us a "stereo window" into a world we cannot now visit in person. There are phasing issues here and there throughout. (That is, the left and right "eyes" are in sync, but precise synchronism "slips" for fast-moving objects because the camera shutters, while turning at the same speed, were not opening and closing at precisely the same moment.) The liberal use of "casual" negative parallax makes me wonder if the restoration team decided to meddle with convergence. But this is merely a speculation, not an accusation. Overall, Il più comico spettacolo del mondo is an extremely welcome addition to my vintage 3-D collection that comes within only days of another very welcome title, Dynasty. Looking past the fact that Joey Tiberio and I were pleased to collaborate on a short documentary for the latter title, which perhaps makes me biased, I commend both films to all 3-D connoisseurs.

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Old 04-02-2021, 05:54 PM   #63
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What software are you using that allows you to edit z-axis placement of subtitles? I've never found any available to the public.
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Old 04-02-2021, 06:21 PM   #64
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What software are you using that allows you to edit z-axis placement of subtitles? I've never found any available to the public.
I may have presumed something that is not so. I downloaded 3D Subtitler, which can handle stereo subs, but I have not installed it yet. If it does not allow z-axis placement, then that will teach me not to speak too soon!

Worst-case scenario, I have access to other software that may do the trick after all. I'm frankly more concerned about how to understand some of those Italian idioms without reaching out to my (deservedly paid!) translator friends on Facebook!
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Old 04-02-2021, 06:33 PM   #65
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I've seen software that allows you to change the universal convergence point of the entire subtitle file, but only for over/under and side-by-side formats. Taking a specific line and popping it out more than other lines is a function reserved for professional software.
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Old 04-02-2021, 06:50 PM   #66
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I'm really curious to see this. I'm not entirely sure that Karl Struss - who was quite brilliant with image composition - would have placed so much general subject matter outside the stereo window.

Does this approach vary from reel to reel? That would be very telling. Altered horizontal placement could be a result of improper scanning of the original left/right 35mm elements.

Sadly, his one US 3-D production (Carmenesque) is lost and not available for study. Contemporary reviews in 1953 from the few people that saw it were quite complementary.

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Old 04-02-2021, 08:30 PM   #67
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I'm really curious to see this. I'm not entirely sure that Karl Struss - who was quite brilliant with image composition - would have placed so much general subject matter outside the stereo window.
Yes, I wonder about that myself. As you know but others may not, Struss was an avid stereo photographer, handy with Realist-format cameras. I can't speak to his personal approach, but I know that many photographers of that period working with Realists were loath to ever violate the window. I have the impression stereo slides entered into competition in those days could have points knocked off for negative parallax, but I won't swear to it.

But then again, I have a hunch that whatever tables or calculators were being used in connection with the (ahem) Podelvision camera were not derived from the mathematics of Luneburg/Hill, and therefore may not have allowed for background divergence of any kind. If that were the case, given the limited minimum I/A of the rig as I understand it, the only place to go if more elbow room with regards to parallax was needed was out off the screen. And the negative parallax in the opening scene certainly looks deliberate.

I have not yet had the chance to sit and watch the entire film. I wanted to see if I could whip up some English subtitles first. All my observations so far are based on brief stops here and there throughout the film. At my earliest opportunity, I will look to see how the z-axis may differ from scene to scene or from reel to reel.
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Old 04-02-2021, 09:50 PM   #68
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I agree about his refined approach to stereo photography and how that would apply to his film work as well.

Great, thank you, mine is due to arrive any day now.
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I don't know if anyone else has already caught it, but Karl Struss has a cameo at about the 31:45 mark.
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I'm going to guess the two guys with Struss also were famous (or at least prominent). Anyone know...?
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I'm going to guess the two guys with Struss also were famous (or at least prominent). Anyone know...?
I wonder if the guy swigging his drink behind them is the director, Mario Mattoli?
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Old 04-08-2021, 02:04 AM   #73
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I got the disc today and have just watched it. I have very mixed feelings on this one.

It's terrific seeing a new vintage feature. The restoration team did a great job on the Ferraniacolor and the digital clean-up of all dirt and damage. The stereo vertical alignment is very good and the left/right panel-matching is excellent.

However, they dropped the ball BIG time on the horizontal placement of the left/right images.

When I read comments about extreme off-screen images throughout this film, something didn't sound right. Karl Struss was too professional a photographer to allow that to happen on a consistent basis and he was a huge proponent of stereo photography. For key dramatic shots to happen off-screen: yes, that is a very effective tool for the seasoned cinematographer. But throughout the feature? Never. That simply wasn't done during the Golden Age, the DP's were much too careful and mindful of eyestrain.

Here is the third opening title. When properly aligned, the letters are supposed to start at the base of the screen and slowly come off-screen, like this:



However, because of the botched horizontal alignment, they now begin off-screen and come out even further.



This problem is consistent throughout the feature.

Thankfully, there is an easy fix - at least on the Epson 5040. Go into the 3-D Setup and set the 3D Depth setting to -4. That will get you pretty close to the intended stereoscopic image placement.

Also, there is one shot that is reversed around 13:14. It's a shame as it's a very well-staged shot of Toto and Marc Lawrence.

There are quite a few shots where the camera shutters are out-of-phase. That's a baked-in problem and not fixable.

In conclusion, I found it to be a very well-composed 3-D feature and it's unfortunate that someone dropped the ball on the left/right horizontal placement. Hopefully, these issues can be corrected on a future release.

Does anybody have contact information for this distributor? I'd like to see if they would license it for a region A edition. We would correct these problems plus add English subtitles as well.
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I learned in film class long ago that it was (is?) general practice in Italian filmmaking to use only post-production sound. In that era in particular, they didn't bother recording any live audio.
During very few short scenes in Totò 3D you can actually hear the camera motor rattle. It's true, Italian cinema uses post synching heavily, but they too did record the sound while shooting, for one would never ever remember what the actors were actually saying.the Script is one thing, the actual shooting is another. I's easier to synchronize to an existing recording.
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Most of the audio in this film was recorded on set. I could detect very little post-dubbing.
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A few thoughts on Toto 3D:

Despite not understanding a word of dialogue, I did kinda get the gist of this one. It’s a parody of The Greatest Show on Earth, specifically the “Buttons” character played by James Stewart in that De Mille classic. There are plenty of similarities:

Toto seems to have something to hide from those around him. The circus manager has the same costume as Charlton Heston did. The trapeze star makes the same dramatic entrance as Cornel Wilde did, surrounded by cops and women, and suffers a similar mishap later (though in a much goofier way) – check out the way he holds his injured arm. But this poor dude has a face that’s less Wilde, more Buster Keaton. There’s a cheesy romantic triangle, and a (pretty funny) episode involving Toto and an unhinged jealous colleague with a gun. There’s a detective snooping around trying to find a fugitive, by checking everyone’s shoe size. Even the clown’s mother shows up in the audience (played here by Toto himself, in drag). And there are a few celebrity cameos in the crowd.

Granted, it’s unfair to criticize this too much without knowing how witty the dialogue actually us, but even as a physical comedy it didn’t do much for me. Toto mugs like crazy. The pratfalls and slapstick are nothing special. A manic extended routine in a mock beauty salon drags on forever. Apart from a few parts, it’s about as funny as a filling without anesthetic.

I do love the 3D, though. A circus movie cries out for it, and they framed and shot the whole thing superbly. It unfolds like a pop-up storybook at times, with the depth and layering calibrated to immerse the viewer in this vibrant world. Camera angles are inventive. Things fly out of the screen, people jump into it. The PQ is excellent (despite some noticeable 3D alignment anomalies, already pointed out by Bob and Mike).

The women are gorgeous. The circus stunts are fun. I’d definitely watch it again for the visuals and the sumptuous stereography. But as soon as the beauty salon scene starts, sorry, I’m bailing. Rapid-fire Italian is nails on a blackboard for me.
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Am I the only one that was trouble accessing this forum entry on the main 3D page of the site? The page name appears empty so I have to come to the forums page to access it.

P.s - In case someone is wondering how it looks for me. I’m I the only one (not) seeing this?
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Hi Bob, did you have any luck about the distributor getting back to you ?
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Did anyone finish with the English subtitles on this?
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