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Old 01-03-2020, 07:10 PM   #21
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watch a movie on each service, pick the one that looks best to you. the end.
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Old 01-03-2020, 07:34 PM   #22
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watch a movie on each service, pick the one that looks best to you. the end.
Way too time consuming, even if your post may be tongue in cheek.
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Way too time consuming, even if your post may be tongue in cheek.
it's literally no more time consuming than actually watching a movie.
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Old 01-04-2020, 12:14 AM   #24
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Did you base the evidence on recent observation?
Observations from when Vudu last ran them in the Free with Ads block back in the summer. I doubt the changed the transfers for them recently as Terminator and Robocop were the same versions for years after the remastered transfers started popping up.
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Audio's not much, just mono with subwoofer, works fine.
You didn't give much information, what is the size of your LG and Model, Bandwidth, and Streaming Device Wired or Wireless?
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Is the DE BD Mr. Ripley on caps-a-holic the streaming version? Also, which master of Bill &Ted is better, can't find it on caps-a-holic?
I have a OLED55C8PUA, believe it use wireless, Netflix: 11.44 Mbps 2160p HDR and SDR, 2.61 Mbps 1080p
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Does Terminator 2 Special Edition use the DNR'ed Skynet Edition or the non-DNR 2015 Edition?
Is The Descent the AVC version on caps-a-holic?

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Old 01-04-2020, 11:36 PM   #27
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Is the DE BD Mr. Ripley on caps-a-holic the streaming version? Also, which master of Bill &Ted is better, can't find it on caps-a-holic?
I have a OLED55C8PUA, believe it use wireless, Netflix: 11.44 Mbps 2160p HDR and SDR, 2.61 Mbps 1080p
Unanswered Questions:
Does Terminator 2 Special Edition use the DNR'ed Skynet Edition or the non-DNR 2015 Edition?
Is The Descent the AVC version on caps-a-holic?
Well you have a very good OLED 4KTV with a good Processor and Apps. I guess you haven't tried Vudu, because there is no Terminator 2 Special Edition just Theatrical and Directors Cut. The Descent is Dolby Digital 5.1.

With your Bandwidth at almost 12Mbps you must have DSL, so you should get pretty good SD especially being Wireless. HD and 4K Streaming will be spotty with degradation and buffering.

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there is no Terminator 2 Special Edition just Theatrical and Directors Cut
I'm talking about the 153 minute cut sometimes called the special edition. https://www.vudu.com/content/movies/...or-s-Cut-/6987
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The Decent is Dolby Digital 5.1.
Not asking for audio. There are 2 different HD master used, one used in the MPEG-2 BDs and the other in the MPEG-4 BDs
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Is the DE BD Mr. Ripley on caps-a-holic the streaming version?

(It is the same underlying master but the streaming version is 1.78 whereas the DE BD is is cropped to 1.85:1)

Also, which master of Bill & Ted is better, can't find it on caps-a-holic?

(MGM and Shout Factory Blus use a more recent and superior HD transfer. The UK and German Studio Canal Blus use an older HD master that was seen on the MGM DVD and was the Paramount streaming version as well)

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Does Terminator 2 Special Edition (ON VUDU) use the DNR'ed Skynet Edition or the non-DNR 2015 Edition?

(I'm pretty sure it's the non-DNR'd transfer, as it's the same version also to rent on Itunes and Amazon which list Paramount and not Lionsgate)
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Not asking for audio. There are 2 different HD master used, one used in the MPEG-2 BDs and the other in the MPEG-4 BDs
It looks like it's the MPEG-4 AVC for The Descent, but you should check it out for yourself in Vudu.
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I'm talking about the 153 minute cut sometimes called the special edition. https://www.vudu.com/content/movies/...or-s-Cut-/6987

Not asking for audio. There are 2 different HD master used, one used in the MPEG-2 BDs and the other in the MPEG-4 BDs
The above is the one I have, it's from an old code redeem, Vudu now sells (or redeems for) the other edition (called the director's cut).

That said, I checked out that version (not the same as the one in your link) and see little grain, and faces look smooth, so I suspect some degree of DNR, but it's hard to say because I can't compare one version to the other (so not sure if the smoothness is an illusion on my part or not). Though mine (called "special edition: extended") does appear more "filmic" in general. It's also a version no longer for sale or redeem.
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Here's the with T2: Like with most Carolco titles, StudioCanal is the main worldwide distributor for the Carolco catalog while Lionsgate handles US video and SOME streaming rights inherited from the ownership of Live Entertainment (who had purchased video rights to most of the Carolco catalog). TV rights however went to Worldvision/Spelling Entertainment, which ended up with Paramount before Y2K.

Somehow, streaming rights in general are intertwined with TV, which meant Paramount also assumed streaming rights to the Carolco catalog from the Worldvision/Spelling TV deal. This explains why there can be two versions of the same Carolco title on many different services, one being Lionsgate and the other Paramount.

If you have the any of the Lionsgate versions of T2 (which are only available to purchase or become available through a code redempton) be it 4k/Theatrical or the extended cuts, they'll be the same masters as on the many Lionsgate and Studio Canal BDs out there. The Paramount versions (which are only available to rent or show up on Prime and/or free with ads service) OTOH, are not the same as the Lionsgate versions. Be it Extended or SE cuts, they're the same underlying master as the 2006 MPEG-2 BD which is grainy.

I suspect it's Vudu's lackluster compression making things look smeary if you own the Paramount version.
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Does T2 Special Edition match more with the 2015 release or the VC-1 or MPEG-2 release?
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Does T2 Special Edition match more with the 2015 release or the VC-1 or MPEG-2 release?
Seems more in line to the MPEG-2 release.
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Question Vudu has a message board does iTunes or google play have
A message board ?
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It looks like it's the MPEG-4 AVC for The Descent
What makes you think so besides the MPEG-4 encoding, it could be the "MPEG-2" color timing master re-encoded in MPEG-4 for the streaming version.
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What makes you think so besides the MPEG-4 encoding, it could be the "MPEG-2" color timing master re-encoded in MPEG-4 for the streaming version.
you are insanely concerned about this, if you enjoy the movie, watch it. I highly doubt one encode vs a slightly different encode, is going to ruin your viewing of this movie.
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Old 01-06-2020, 04:26 PM   #38
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What makes you think so besides the MPEG-4 encoding, it could be the "MPEG-2" color timing master re-encoded in MPEG-4 for the streaming version.
The Studios control the Master sent out to the Streaming Providers.
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are the HD masters of The Straight Story and Time of the Gypsies the same across all streaming service and BDs?
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are the HD masters of The Straight Story and Time of the Gypsies the same across all streaming service and BDs?
Yes.
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