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Old 04-03-2021, 10:09 PM   #1
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I was just watching "Run" on Netflix, and was annoyed by the low picture quality. So I thought I'd check the A/V info and lo and behold, the movie was streaming at a whooping 1.1 Mbps. How is this acceptable? And I don't want to hear about the new codec they are using or adaptable bitrate and whatnot. The quality of the image is noticeably poor and that's all that matters.
I'm not expecting blu-ray quality but we have services like PrimeVideo that streams at a much higher quality.
Sorry for the rant, guys.
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Old 04-03-2021, 10:38 PM   #2
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Netflix is not acceptable.

The only reason they do this is because they can do WHAT THE HECK EVER and people think they still NEED them.

I have kind of forgiven them tho and now I do use my neighbor's account... just started today because she really wanted me to watch Cobra Kai.

The best Netflix plan is some one else's Netflix plan.

p.s. A lot of what's on Prime looks really bad. The originals look better but they don't seem to have quality requirements for the stuff in the general Prime video section.
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Old 04-04-2021, 04:09 AM   #3
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I used Netflix back when they had tons of older stuff and obscure/cult classics in good quality HD. I jumped ship when they started dropping the older stuff and started pushing their "controversial" originals and movies right into your face. Them doing away with free trials and lowering overall bit-rates "to accommodate areas with low bandwidth restrictions" isn't surprising, since they've also cracked down on non-paying friends using accounts of paid members.

Amazon Prime Video IMO, has the best overall PQ and bitrates for 1080p and 4k content, plus tons of older classics, obscure stuff, and B/Z grade 70/80's titles remastered in HD. Some titles that look bad are ether SD or poorly upconverted from literally a VHS.
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Old 04-04-2021, 01:02 PM   #4
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Avoid Netflix like a plague for HD SDR contents. Quality is bad. It's okay for casual viewing though and 4K HDR

I am few months away from cancelling Netflix.
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Old 04-04-2021, 01:44 PM   #5
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I can barely even watch Netflix without the PQ Freaking the eff out.
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If I was paying for Netflix, I would have cancelled it LONG already......
(I get it free through T-Mobile)
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People are okay with DVDs, do you think they care about bitrate?
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Im fairly sure the Cobra Kai DVDs look better than the potato version I'm currently binging on Netflix.
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Old 04-05-2021, 03:40 PM   #10
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I just checked Run on Netflix. It takes a while for the stream to pick up steam. After a minute, it's back to 4K @ 16 Mbps and it looks fine. I haven't seen the bit rate dropping back for about 10 minutes. I doubt if this adaptive streaming is implemented on 4K HDR contents based on what the developer HUD is showing.

I would still avoid Netflix for HD SDR unless it's for casual viewing.

Prime streams at about 10 Mbps for 4K HDR lower than Netflix. Audio wise, Netflix is leading the pack 640 Kbps for DD and 768 Kbps for Atmos. Prime audio is 192 Kbps.

Please do your due diligence before ranting lol

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I just checked Run on Netflix. It takes a while for the stream to pick up steam. After a minute, it's back to 4K @ 16 Mbps and it looks fine. I haven't seen the bit rate dropping back for about 10 minutes. I doubt if this adaptive streaming is implemented on 4K HDR contents based on what the developer HUD is showing.

I would still avoid Netflix for HD SDR unless it's for casual viewing.

Prime streams at about 10 Mbps for 4K HDR lower than Netflix. Audio wise, Netflix is leading the pack 640 Kbps for DD and 768 Kbps for Atmos. Prime audio is 192 Kbps.

Please do your due diligence before ranting lol
The OP does not specify which Netflix plan he uses; it may be that he only has their HD plan and thus can not watch their 4K streams. You should not assume that he subscribes to their 4K plan.
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Old 04-05-2021, 04:14 PM   #12
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The OP does not specify which Netflix plan he uses; it may be that he only has their HD plan and thus can not watch their 4K streams. You should not assume that he subscribes to their 4K plan.
Fair enough but I am clear on my stance.

HD SDR - avoid unless it's for casual viewing
4K HDR - no problems.

Above holds good with most of the streaming platforms.
HD stream is heavily compressed and compromised unlike 4K.

So best option for the OP is to upgrade to 4K sub if it makes economic sense.

Personally I am few months away from ditching Netflix.

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Fair enough but I am clear on my stance.

HD SDR - avoid unless it's for casual viewing
4K HDR - no problems.

Above holds good with most of the streaming platforms.
HD stream is heavily compressed and compromised unlike 4K.

So best option for the OP is to upgrade to 4K sub if it makes economic sense.

Personally I am few months away from ditching Netflix.
I think a "lot" of that is negative press ("Netflix lowers bit rates, film at 11") and when the viewer "sees" something they assume its a fault with Netflix or their algorithm, or the result of variable bit rate streaming. when it could be one of a hundred things not even related to Netflix. Like spelling the word SHOP then asking "what do you do at a green light?"...the viewer is led to believe the issue is Netflix's when it really isn't.

....and if you said STOP you're wrong!

Oh, you LIKE that. Here's another similar parlor trick. Ask someone to spell the word FOLK. Then ask them "What's the white part of an egg called?"
90% will ALWAYS answer YOKE...

....that's wrong too!

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Old 04-06-2021, 11:00 AM   #14
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Fair enough but I am clear on my stance.

HD SDR - avoid unless it's for casual viewing
4K HDR - no problems.

Above holds good with most of the streaming platforms.
HD stream is heavily compressed and compromised unlike 4K.

So best option for the OP is to upgrade to 4K sub if it makes economic sense.

Personally I am few months away from ditching Netflix.
Hey. I do have a 4K sub, but my TV is currently only 1080p. Netflix used to look much better, that is my issue. As I stated above, I know I'm not about to get blu-ray image quality, that's a given. I do have a blu-ray player and enjoy it whenever I have the opportunity.
I'm ranting on Netflix. I used to enjoy HD movies with video bitrates ranging from 4 mbps to 9 mbps. But since a few years ago they started experimenting with new codecs, streaming tech and whatnot which made the bitrate tank, and the PQ quality is noticeable worse. Same movies, but now you get video artifacts (don't know the correct term, sorry) all over the place. And I have PrimeVideo, Disney Plus, etc, to prove that Netflix is the problem, not my expectations.
So I suppose your advice still holds true. Maybe Netflix is only good for 4K material nowadays.
P.S.: they also have this annoying per-device "optimization". I get 4.7 mbps when watching RUN on the Edge Browser. And my LG TV only gets 1.75 mbps. Utter and complete BS.
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Maybe I should have titled the thread "What's the deal with Netflix and low bit rates?"
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Maybe I should have titled the thread "What's the deal with Netflix and low bit rates?"
lol, for some reason the thread title made me think of that, hence the image
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Hey. I do have a 4K sub, but my TV is currently only 1080p. Netflix used to look much better, that is my issue. As I stated above, I know I'm not about to get blu-ray image quality, that's a given. I do have a blu-ray player and enjoy it whenever I have the opportunity.
I'm ranting on Netflix. I used to enjoy HD movies with video bitrates ranging from 4 mbps to 9 mbps. But since a few years ago they started experimenting with new codecs, streaming tech and whatnot which made the bitrate tank, and the PQ quality is noticeable worse. Same movies, but now you get video artifacts (don't know the correct term, sorry) all over the place. And I have PrimeVideo, Disney Plus, etc, to prove that Netflix is the problem, not my expectations.
So I suppose your advice still holds true. Maybe Netflix is only good for 4K material nowadays.
P.S.: they also have this annoying per-device "optimization". I get 4.7 mbps when watching RUN on the Edge Browser. And my LG TV only gets 1.75 mbps. Utter and complete BS.
Thanks for confirming that you do have 4K SUB.

That 1.1 Mbps bit rate did show up for a moment at 480p during the warm up but it slowly creept into the usual 16 Mbps mark there a minute or 90 seconds later.

I think Netflix have implemented some optimisations on select HD streams but I can assure you the 4K HDR streams are still streaming at the usual 16 Mbps. There is no guarantee that Netflix won't do the same on 4K streams but I am hoping to cancel my sub before that happens.

I was never happy with HD streams even with higher quality platforms (iTunes) so it is what it is.

Would recommend upgrading to a good and capable 4K HDR TV.

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Would recommend upgrading to a good and capable 4K HDR TV.
Yes thanks, I know I'm a bit behind the times lol. TBH, I have always been worried about how regular HD will look on a 4K display, and that's been my main concern whenever I think about upgrading.

Regarding Netflix, seems like they are prioritizing 4K resolutions. Movies like Akira are streaming at 6.7 mbps (1080p), but the newly added titles seem to suffer the most when streamed at regular HD.

Regardless of my getting a new TV, cancelling my Netflix sub seems more and more logical.
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Thanks for confirming that you do have 4K SUB.

That 1.1 Mbps bit rate did show up for a moment at 480p during the warm up but it slowly creept into the usual 16 Mbps mark there a minute or 90 seconds later.

I think Netflix have implemented some optimisations on select HD streams but I can assure you the 4K HDR streams are still streaming at the usual 16 Mbps. There is no guarantee that Netflix won't do the same on 4K streams but I am hoping to cancel my sub before that happens.

I was never happy with HD streams even with higher quality platforms (iTunes) so it is what it is.

Would recommend upgrading to a good and capable 4K HDR TV.
Itís already been confirmed that Netflix will be doing the same with their 4K streams. They said it themselves several months ago.
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