Blu-ray Disc Association: 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray On The Way

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Dylan34

What it boils down to unfortunately is that blu ray has not done what it was expected to do. You figure by 2003/2004 every household had a dvd player. Now, we're 8 years into blu rays life and people could simply care less. DVD is good enough still for most people. How do we expect to get any better than blu ray when the majority of people still arent buying blu ray? Its a shame really!! You can get a blu ray player these days on the friggin' cheap from Wal-Mart for like 60 bucks. That 60 bucks gets you 5 to 6 times the pixels of DVD, which in turn gives you a better home viewing experience. The best ever as a matter of fact. As good as the theater!!! I figured by now that blu ray would be kicking the crap out of DVD and its just not. That's why there wont be another optical format.

1. Bluray is not as good as the cinema.
2. It's 'people couldn't care less'
3. Millions of bluray players in people's homes suggest there is some interest there.
4. There will be another optical format.
5. They should stop making Rolls Royces because most people don't drive them.
6. We are the elite. (In terms of home cinema taste) What the sheep do will always baffle us.
7. Finally, maybe you should buy more blurays and enjoy them rather than knocking the format.

[slick1ru2]

I buy Blu-rays. I've bought hundreds through the Amazon links on this website, which they benefit from with their merchant agreement. But the few of us on this forum buying more isn't going to change the fact that yes, in hindsight, Blu-ray hasn't sold as expected. The world wide economy crash shortly after launch didn't help either. Neither has the way its been marketed, missed opportunity. The best thing about all this is the way these new TVs only seem to last about 5 years vs 20 for CRT, in a couple of years 4K TV sales, since PC Mag says its not a fad like 3D, should be great. I should need at least 1, maybe 2 by that time. And if there is a backward compatible player available then, I'll get them too.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

I buy Blu-rays. I've bought hundreds through the Amazon links on this website, which they benefit from with their merchant agreement. But the few of us on this forum buying more isn't going to change the fact that yes, in hindsight, Blu-ray hasn't sold as expected. The world wide economy crash shortly after launch didn't help either. Neither has the way its been marketed, missed opportunity. The best thing about all this is the way these new TVs only seem to last about 5 years vs 20 for CRT, in a couple of years 4K TV sales, since PC Mag says its not a fad like 3D, should be great. I should need at least 1, maybe 2 by that time. And if there is a backward compatible player available then, I'll get them too.

I keep hearing this myth about modern TV sets only lasting five years. I have yet to experience it and I have two in my house. I bought both over 7 years ago. My guess is they will stretch to at least ten.

As a film collector, I mourn the day when streaming is the sole option. If people are becoming tired of collecting now, wait until streaming takes hold. Renting will never seem more appealing. I hope the industry is prepared for a rental only model because boy, that's all it will get off me.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I keep hearing this myth about modern TV sets only lasting five years. I have yet to experience it and I have two in my house. I bought both over 7 years ago. My guess is they will stretch to at least ten.

As a film collector, I mourn the day when streaming is the sole option. If people are becoming tired of collecting now, wait until streaming takes hold. Renting will never seem more appealing. I hope the industry is prepared for a rental only model because boy, that's all it will get off me.

I've gone through 4 since 2005, Sharp, Olivia and a Mitsubishi whose Samsung screen went out twice in 4 years. I have a 5th, an LG, with bad speakers. The service man for the Mitsubishi, who owned a multi company authorized repair shop in Atlanta told me he didn't know how the extended warranty companies were staying in business. He said that the issue is the part is either no longer made or so expensive it's not cost effective to fix. So I didn't even call for repair the second time the Mitsubishi broke or when the other toe went black screen. Leaves me with two Panasonic and the LG with the speaker issue. The LG is 6 years old, that's about how long my oldest has lasted, the Olivia.

[Dylan34]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

1. Bluray is not as good as the cinema.
2. It's 'people couldn't care less'
3. Millions of bluray players in people's homes suggest there is some interest there.
4. There will be another optical format.
5. They should stop making Rolls Royces because most people don't drive them.
6. We are the elite. (In terms of home cinema taste) What the sheep do will always baffle us.
7. Finally, maybe you should buy more blurays and enjoy them rather than knocking the format.

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Bro, i was simply stating why there wont be another format not that i agree with it.. blu ray is no where near where DVD was 8 yrs in. Im sorry you're butt hurt over it but thats just fact. Man, ya know, im not doing this with you. Wash the sand out of your vag and read again. I enjoy blu ray just fine.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Dylan34

Y
Bro, i was simply stating why there wont be another format not that i agree with it.. blu ray is no where near where DVD was 8 yrs in. Im sorry you're butt hurt over it but thats just fact. Man, ya know, im not doing this with you. Wash the sand out of your vag and read again. I enjoy blu ray just fine.

See you when the next optical format is confirmed.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

I've gone through 4 since 2005, Sharp, Olivia and a Mitsubishi whose Samsung screen went out twice in 4 years. I have a 5th, an LG, with bad speakers. The service man for the Mitsubishi, who owned a multi company authorized repair shop in Atlanta told me he didn't know how the extended warranty companies were staying in business. He said that the issue is the part is either no longer made or so expensive it's not cost effective to fix. So I didn't even call for repair the second time the Mitsubishi broke or when the other toe went black screen. Leaves me with two Panasonic and the LG with the speaker issue. The LG is 6 years old, that's about how long my oldest has lasted, the Olivia.

All around me I see the same. I should know because every time a relatives or friends tv needs setting up they send for me. 7-8 years is the least I would expect out of a tv at present. I see no evidence to doubt that.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Dylan34

Y
Bro, i was simply stating why there wont be another format not that i agree with it.. blu ray is no where near where DVD was 8 yrs in. Im sorry you're butt hurt over it but thats just fact. Man, ya know, im not doing this with you. Wash the sand out of your vag and read again. I enjoy blu ray just fine.

But let me guess. You are not against going digital only?

[Dylan34]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

See you when the next optical format is confirmed.

I hope you're right.

[Dylan34]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

But let me guess. You are not against going digital only?

I am against it. I want a new format. Sony seems to be dragging ass now is all.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

All around me I see the same. I should know because every time a relatives or friends tv needs setting up they send for me. 7-8 years is the least I would expect out of a tv at present. I see no evidence to doubt that.

When it comes to anecdotal observations on the reliability of new technology TVs I'm taking the word of someone who's owned a TV repair shop for decades in the largest SE U.S. city over someone not in that field.

Specifically he mentioned all the mad Samsung customers who couldn't get repairs under the warranty time period authorized and this happened right around when this story was written on Consumer Affairs website,

Consumers Frazzled by Samsung LCD TV Problems

Since late last year, ConsumerAffairs.com has been flooded with complaints from consumers who say their Samsung HD TVs overheat, refuse to turn on, power themselves off or simply fizzle off into oblivion. To make matters worse, in most cases, this happens after the one-year warranty has expired.

Samsung isn't saying much about the problem. After repeated inquiries, a company spokeswoman could do no better than this rather tepid response:..

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...amsung_tv.html

[slick1ru2]

Interesting article on differences between 4k and Ultra HD.

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/hom...-4k-tv-1048954

[Takeshi666]

Originally Posted by Dylan34

That 60 bucks gets you 5 to 6 times the pixels of DVD, which in turn

...is pointless if you're still using an SD TV.

[slick1ru2]

I'd still like to hear some impressions of upconverted Blu-rays on these 4K players and TVs. Is it better or worse looking than regular HD? Are there lot's of artifacts or is it shockingly good? Does no one on here have a 4k TV?

[Kirsty_Mc]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

I'd still like to hear some impressions of upconverted Blu-rays on these 4K players and TVs. Is it better or worse looking than regular HD? Are there lot's of artifacts or is it shockingly good? Does no one on here have a 4k TV?

I find the Sony KD-65X9005 does a great deal better at upscaling than the Oppo BD-103. So I run the Oppo output at 1080P and let the Sony do the up converting. The Sony TV does a fantastic job, however it's performance at upscaling is dependent on the source material. Feed it an excellent source and the performance is quite astounding. Elysium mastered in 4K is excellent. If you ever get the chance... Try "How the West was Won" and you will marvel at how well it upscales. It really makes my mouth water at the prospect of proper 4K.

[Geoff D]

Spot on. I've got the 55X9005 and the upscaling is truly excellent, and quite seamless too. Great stuff looks great, good stuff looks good, bad stuff looks bad, y'all get the idea. You won't get greater than 1080p performance from 1080p material, however the uniformity of the 4K panel is so good that that in itself is a major plus point over most 1080p LCD TVs.

[slick1ru2]

So does 480 material look significantly worse than on a 1080 tv? Although, it's gotten better over the years, the ps3 does a decent upscale. But unfortunately some material will never be in HD. I remember how horrible SD looked on my 1080i Hitachi Ultravision CRT RPTV about a decade ago.

[Geoff D]

No, 480i looks fine. I'd say that it's better than on a 1080p TV owing to the powerful upscaling engine, especially with non-anamorphic DVDs.

[Kirsty_Mc]

Forgot to mention the audio sync issue. When upscaling there is a hell of a lot of processing going on. On titles which were perfectly in sync when played on my old 1080P panel, I noticed that they were out of sync on the 4K panel... There was a delay in the image compared to the audio. The old words before lips issue!!!

The Oppo could not cope with the delay not having sufficient adjustment. The amplifier (Sony STR-DA5800ES) had sufficient adjustment to correct this. The Spears and Munsil calibration disc helped greatly in syncing things up.

[Geoff D]

I won't say that I haven't had little sync issues when listening to stuff thru my amp, BUT this was also true on my previous 1080p Sony.

LOVE the sound on this TV BTW. Such good bass, I'd never thought I'd hear such a thing from an LCD TV.