4K Movies Releases

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Ironic combination of words ^, given I notice that Mark has the distinction of being banned from the RED forum for constantly riling up the natives….

That is , I do read some of his post but only the ones that has 4K projector content.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

There’s a V.P. from that company (Nuvola NP-1) that posts on one of the professional engineering forums. Somehow he finds a way to plug his product into the technical discussions.

Awhile back I asked the following via email:

Will the NP-1 have an Android app available for Android tablets that will allow the tablet to control the NP-1? If true, can the app use audio and/or video play-list? Same questions for iOS devices.

Does the NP-1 have an IR input so programable universal IR remote controls can be used with it? If so, has URC been provided with the IR codes?

Replies:

Hello Wendell,

I’m sorry, I am unfamiliar with an app to perform as you are seeking.

Bluetooth enabled. A USB dongle is required to use with IR.

No IR is available, only Bluetooth and wifi.

We will have Apps available in the future for controlling the NP-1 via Smart Phone, but not initially.

I wish them well but at this point they appear to not have their head and their dark spot wired together .

[Penton-Man]

4K DCP for George Clooney’s The Monuments Men (due to be released in the U.S. in 7 days)

Image Format: 4096 x 1716 (Scope)
Audio Format: 5.1
File size: 185 GB

The Monuments Men - Official International Trailer - YouTube

[mredman]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

I did not say demise or extinction, I said return to niche status i.e. around 10%
market share.

Blu-ray.com is adapting and will continue to adapt to the interests of its members. Just as International Harvester adopted the new name Navistar to distance itself from the narrow focus on farm machinery, so will Blu-ray.com, sometime in the future, pick a new domain name that is less focused on Blu-ray physical disc and more diffused in its coverage of all methods of entertainment delivery.

There are several sub forums here that have nothing to do with Blu-ray physical disc, where you can find threads discussing the size of the posters ultraviolet libraries, etc.

This thread is about 4K movie releases. At present, there are 4K theatrical releases and there are 4K (UHD) digital downloads. Soon there will be UHD streaming. There are no UHD Blu-ray movies.

Not to belabor the point, but as I type, this sub-forum, Blu-ray technology and future technology has 61 viewers while the Digital Movies sub-forum has 84.

are you serious with this crap. You really are a troll to this and the lies you post is proof of that.
Wanna see the REAL reality here:

Blu-ray Movies - North America (929 Viewing)
Blu-ray Movies - International (268 Viewing)
3D Blu-ray Movies (64 Viewing)
Digital Movies (103 Viewing)

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

It will surely come, what I'm not so sure is it's clear superiority, at least not until proven otherwise. We can't always apply yesterday's opinions on a new advancement in tech as we don't know.

that is one of the most ridiculous things I read. It is always funny how streaming DL fanboys are always prepared to say data is data so who cares if it is over the internet of disk to say why we should accept it now because one day it might be as good. But here you are believing that unless proven Netflix's magic pixie dust will mean that if there is 4k BD it is likely that it won't beat what Netflix offers at 15 mb/s. That is like saying you need proof before you don't trust that person that said he has a plan to win the jackpot 10 times in a row and make everyone that invests in him rich. So you don't think that there is a hell of a good chance that if all BD does is add 4k and newer codecs (i.e. no HW change) that 40mbps 4k from a BD will be better than a 15mbps 4k from Netflix?

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

that is one of the most ridiculous things I read. It is always funny how streaming DL fanboys are always prepared to say data is data so who cares if it is over the internet of disk to say why we should accept it now because one day it might be as good. But here you are believing that unless proven Netflix's magic pixie dust will mean that if there is 4k BD it is likely that it won't beat what Netflix offers at 15 mb/s. That is like saying you need proof before you don't trust that person that said he has a plan to win the jackpot 10 times in a row and make everyone that invests in him rich. So you don't think that there is a hell of a good chance that if all BD does is add 4k and newer codecs (i.e. no HW change) that 40mbps 4k from a BD will be better than a 15mbps 4k from Netflix?

The only difference between you and me is I am not a fanboy. I have never streamed yet and don't plan to soon. Have never used a digital copy and the same can be said with my music. Difference being all my music has been ripped to my media server.

I will not be an early adopter this time, I'll just wait for it to become mainstream and hopefully save some coin on media, yes media. Difference is I keep an open mind and don't apply automatically the weaknesses and faults of the previous incantation to newer tech. It might just be a codec thing, but if it is I would not appreciate, I'm at least hoping they offer the minimum specs of the panels to come. 8bit/10bit, color space etc.

If they do that means the CE have to agree to a forward standard, not just a patch, otherwise we'll be stock with those limitations for a heck of a long time, and I ain't in no hurry.

But, what if it turns out great? You know for a fact it will be horrible? If so get some lottery tickets lol.

How is having an open mind being a fanboy, but sticking to your unproven guns not?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

The only difference between you and me is I am not a fanboy. I have never streamed yet and don't plan to soon. Have never used a digital copy and the same can be said with my music. Difference being all my music has been ripped to my media server.

I will not be an early adopter this time, I'll just wait for it to become mainstream and hopefully save some coin on media, yes media. Difference is I keep an open mind and don't apply automatically the weaknesses and faults of the previous incantation to newer tech. It might just be a codec thing, but if it is I would not appreciate, I'm at least hoping they offer the minimum specs of the panels to come. 8bit/10bit, color space etc.

If they do that means the CE have to agree to a forward standard, not just a patch, otherwise we'll be stock with those limitations for a heck of a long time, and I ain't in no hurry.

But, what if it turns out great? You know for a fact it will be horrible? If so get some lottery tickets lol.

How is having an open mind being a fanboy, but sticking to your unproven guns not?

My way of thinking is we already have the standard. Why get excited because a new tech will match that standard in several years? For the record, I think streaming will cut every corner it can meaning the race to the bottom picture wise.

[pentatonic]

And you are all entitled to think that, but many seem to want to kill it automatically, apparently knowing the future and can guarantee it will suck.

Can you at least admit it might be good. We don't know, and the little bit of good reports are automatically shot down using "boosted" internet or whatever to discredit what, at least it seems, was well received by many people at CES, but that obviously had to be a trick. Why spend so much time coming up with all the excuses before any of this is live, what's the need to bash an "option" if you don't care about it, let it go, you don't want it anyways.

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

My way of thinking is we already have the standard. Why get excited because a new tech will match that standard in several years? For the record, I think streaming will cut every corner it can meaning the race to the bottom picture wise.

Hey Steel, I realize I don't get what you mean by that, which standard?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

Hey Steel, I realize I don't get what you mean by that, which standard?

Blu-ray Disc and whatever may follow. The 4K standard setter is achievable now. Same for 1080p and current Blu-ray Discs. Why get excited about streaming tech that may never reach that standard?

As for the broadband argument it is a genuine point. Are you aware that there may be millions of people who can get a signal/connection but not a reliable one? How will that work for film night? Planning days ahead or even weeks with downloads? That person is at the mercy of the connection and that dictates his/her experience that particular night.
All these tech sites believe everyone lives in New York City or similar and has a super-fast connection. That is far from reality.
I just slide that disc in and I'm ready to go with film night. Simple, fast and true 1080p beauty.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

How is having an open mind being a fanboy, but sticking to your unproven guns not?

but what if the gun is not unproven but someone decides not to accept it.

If someone said "I have never been to Australia so there is no proof it exists" is that open mindedness or someone being closed minded in a stupid way? What if someone says "here is some clips shot in Australia" and the answer is " videos can be faked Avatare supposedly took place on Pandora" or "I have been to Australia" and the answer is "people can lie"....


what you forget is that the scientific world works with "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" and not the other way around, you deciding that without proof 4K BD can't be better is way more extraordinary compared to 4k BD should be able to easily offer AV that goes beyond what can be offered by a 16mbps stream. the later is almost a given since BD now has 40mbps for AV so either you need to assume 4K BD will drop that by much more than 1/2 or that even though 4K BD has much higher BW it won't affect A/V.

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Blu-ray Disc and whatever may follow. The 4K standard setter is achievable now. Same for 1080p and current Blu-ray Discs. Why get excited about streaming tech that may never reach that standard?

As for the broadband argument it is a genuine point. Are you aware that there may be millions of people who can get a signal/connection but not a reliable one? How will that work for film night? Planning days ahead or even weeks with downloads? That person is at the mercy of the connection and that dictates his/her experience that particular night.
All these tech sites believe everyone lives in New York City or similar and has a super-fast connection. That is far from reality.
I just slide that disc in and I'm ready to go with film night. Simple, fast and true 1080p beauty.

Unfortunately the present standard limits BD in many ways. I'm just hoping they come out with a 4K BD that has important improvements in almost every way. Not saying BD today isn't good, I wouldn't be here, but even now HDMI 2 will already limit what can be a better experience. As much as I got my PS3 in Dec 2006 and my HD DVD a few months later as I didn't care about the format war, I cared about getting HD. But no freaking way will they get me until the next format has matured, both of those formats were introduced without even being half baked, so no more Guinea Pigging for me.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

but what if the gun is not unproven but someone decides not to accept it.

If someone said "I have never been to Australia so there is no proof it exists" is that open mindedness or someone being closed minded in a stupid way? What if someone says "here is some clips shot in Australia" and the answer is " videos can be faked Avatare supposedly took place on Pandora" or "I have been to Australia" and the answer is "people can lie"....


what you forget is that the scientific world works with "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" and not the other way around, you deciding that without proof 4K BD can't be better is way more extraordinary compared to 4k BD should be able to easily offer AV that goes beyond what can be offered by a 16mbps stream. the later is almost a given since BD now has 40mbps for AV so either you need to assume 4K BD will drop that by much more than 1/2 or that even though 4K BD has much higher BW it won't affect A/V.

You know buddy, you don't always need to use those examples to compare, I can read fine thank you

And if you just don't want anything else than BD, that's perfectly fine, but I know many who are positive they just won't shell out for the 5th time to purchase the rights to the same movie.

And without any proof, as you say, we still don't know the new specs. Let's say they did add HEVC decoding, if they keep the same or similar specs on color space, etc and don't include HFR (I'M sure for sports it would be awesome) and all the things we will NEED with Oled.

Anyways, since I'm a streaming fanboy and this topic seems to be specifically meant for 4K BD and not 4K Movie Releases as the title shows, I will let you pursue gents. Enjoy

Edit: Where did I ever say 4K BD can't be better, where? I'm just saying who knows how good streaming/downloading can potentially be. Jeez, tough crowd here.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

Unfortunately the present standard limits BD in many ways. I'm just hoping they come out with a 4K BD that has important improvements in almost every way. Not saying BD today isn't good, I wouldn't be here, but even now HDMI 2 will already limit what can be a better experience. As much as I got my PS3 in Dec 2006 and my HD DVD a few months later as I didn't care about the format war, I cared about getting HD. But no freaking way will they get me until the next format has matured, both of those formats were introduced without even being half baked, so no more Guinea Pigging for me.

I know what you mean about HD, I was buying DVHS like mad, then HD DVD, then Blu-ray. And, so help me, if/when the Sony 4K puck (or the Samsung equivalent that's been mentioned) gets released in the UK I'll probably cave and get that, and I'll also be first in line for a 4K Blu-ray deck a year or two down the line.

And yes, it is a tough crowd in here.

[Penton-Man]

In the theatrical motion picture category, the ASC award for Outstanding Achievement just now awarded to Emmanuel Lubezki for Gravity (2K)

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

You know buddy, you don't always need to use those examples to compare, I can read fine thank you

what do you mean by those two examples?

And if you just don't want anything else than BD, that's perfectly fine,

You are missing the point, you said why are people sure that 4k BD will be better than 4k streaming. If someone comes out with crystal tubes that can have 1000 mbps and 1TB of data I would pick that over BD. What I don't want is the reality of way way way over compressed streaming when it is easy to have a lot less compressed physical media, where I need to accept crappy lossy audio when it I can have lossless.

but I know many who are positive they just won't shell out for the 5th time to purchase the rights to the same movie.

OK, no one told you that you should. What does that have to do with the discussion. I know some people that are still happy to watch DVDs and until we get 4K BDs I have not made up my mind if I will rebuy them either. when we went from DVD to BDE I thought I could deal with DVD quality but I soon found out I could not.

But this does not even make sense in the discussion even if we forget the existence of choice (i.e. 1080p is unacceptable and you want 4k). Someone can rent a film on BD in 1080p and I am guessing if we get 4k BD you will be able to rent as well, so someone that does not mind renting won't need to rebuy be it physical media or streaming. On the other hand places like Vudu or apple where you can buy charge different amounts if you buy the HD or SD version so do you think when UHD will come out a movie you bought in lower quality will automatically be upgraded to the higher quality when it becomes available.

And without any proof, as you say, we still don't know the new specs. Let's say they did add HEVC decoding, if they keep the same or similar specs on color space, etc and don't include HFR (I'M sure for sports it would be awesome) and all the things we will NEED with Oled.

not sure what you mean.

Edit: Where did I ever say 4K BD can't be better, where? I'm just saying who knows how good streaming/downloading can potentially be. Jeez, tough crowd here.

rules of a scientific mind, evidence needs to be in scale with the conclusion. If you say I will believe 4K BD is better if and only if I see it and it is better that is asking for a hell of a lot of proof which means that you think 4k BD can't look better. When I say I will believe 4K BD is worst (or the same) if and only if I see it and it is worst that is asking for a hell of a lot of proof from streaming which means that I think 4k BD will look better.


Take it this way, if someone said "gravity went nuts yesterday and so I tap danced on my ceiling" would you say "that makes sense" or need a lot of proof and ask for a video or confirmation from a few trusted people? now what if someone else said "I tapped danced on my kitchen floor yesterday" would you tend to accept that more easily?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

what do you mean by those two examples?

You are missing the point, you said why are people sure that 4k BD will be better than 4k streaming. If someone comes out with crystal tubes that can have 1000 mbps and 1TB of data I would pick that over BD. What I don't want is the reality of way way way over compressed streaming when it is easy to have a lot less compressed physical media, where I need to accept crappy lossy audio when it I can have lossless.


OK, no one told you that you should. What does that have to do with the discussion. I know some people that are still happy to watch DVDs and until we get 4K BDs I have not made up my mind if I will rebuy them either. when we went from DVD to BDE I thought I could deal with DVD quality but I soon found out I could not.

But this does not even make sense in the discussion even if we forget the existence of choice (i.e. 1080p is unacceptable and you want 4k). Someone can rent a film on BD in 1080p and I am guessing if we get 4k BD you will be able to rent as well, so someone that does not mind renting won't need to rebuy be it physical media or streaming. On the other hand places like Vudu or apple where you can buy charge different amounts if you buy the HD or SD version so do you think when UHD will come out a movie you bought in lower quality will automatically be upgraded to the higher quality when it becomes available.


not sure what you mean.




rules of a scientific mind, evidence needs to be in scale with the conclusion. If you say I will believe 4K BD is better if and only if I see it and it is better that is asking for a hell of a lot of proof which means that you think 4k BD can't look better. When I say I will believe 4K BD is worst (or the same) if and only if I see it and it is worst that is asking for a hell of a lot of proof from streaming which means that I think 4k BD will look better.


Take it this way, if someone said "gravity went nuts yesterday and so I tap danced on my ceiling" would you say "that makes sense" or need a lot of proof and ask for a video or confirmation from a few trusted people? now what if someone else said "I tapped danced on my kitchen floor yesterday" would you tend to accept that more easily?

I was tap dancing on my table yesterday but that was football related!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

In the theatrical motion picture category, the ASC award for Outstanding Achievement just now awarded to Emmanuel Lubezki for Gravity (2K)

^ despite water on da lens…..https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...er#post8245825

Last week Gravity also did quite well with the International 3D Society….http://variety.com/2014/biz/news/gra...ds-1201074818/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I was tap dancing on my table yesterday but that was football related!

It was American football for us this weekend....which meant, this time around, enjoying the commercials only. Anyway, I take that to mean you beat Newcastle….and maybe have even risen out of the relegation zone, to boot? I’m hesitant to check the standings until I watch the Man City vs. Chelsea match from today.

[Penton-Man]

Perspective…http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/01/...tvs-are-cheap/

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

It was American football for us this weekend....which meant, this time around, enjoying the commercials only. Anyway, I take that to mean you beat Newcastle….and maybe have even risen out of the relegation zone, to boot? I’m hesitant to check the standings until I watch the Man City vs. Chelsea match from today.

Yes, we did indeed. Those magpies are taking a beating over the last couple of years. What an incredible couple of weeks for my team. Wembley final, out of relegation zone and beat our bitter rivals twice in one season. Oh and we are through to the last 16 of F.A cup. .
Enjoy the top of the table clash, I will keep quiet about that one.