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Old 06-10-2019, 10:48 PM   #2541
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If you have 8060 towers then I would assume you have an Atmos powered amp. If it's 11 channel then I would buy matching 8060 towers for the rear so that all of your height channels match and the towers match. If you have a 9.1 amp or you are not planning on using the rear height channels then I would go for the 8000F towers. If you don't have the room or you don't want to spend the money for matching towers then I would go for the 600M surround speakers.

The reason why I would choose the 600M over the 502's is that Atmos uses direct audio to combine sounds in order to transition sound effects and place sounds around the room. Speakers that shoot in multiple directions are not recommended for Atmos enabled setups. As you said, you can always add more direct channels behind you if you want better rear coverage in the future.

BTW, I'm no pro. I'm just an average joe and this is my opinion based on what I have read.
my current receiver is only 7 channels so they will all be used at the moment, I will have to get another receiver to do rear surrounds or rear atmos speakers if I decide I want that... I did fail to mention that my side surrounds are in line with my fronts and directly at the ends of my couch, I have had a few recommendations to go with the 502S for that reason since they are more immersive and won't be firing directly in my ears... I got all my Klipsch speakers through Sound Distributors and highly recommend them to anyone, he gave me a great deal on the ones I bought and I will be going back to him to get the 502S pretty soon... I will be moving in about a month and didn't want to go through the whole setup process twice in a short period of time so I basically tested the speakers out and boxed them back up... from what I heard I liked it, the sound was a lot more clear and precise compared to my polks and the sub hits hard but was very clean... I can't wait to get everything setup and play around with it

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Could someone help an audio novice please

i'm looking at the Klipsch Black Reference Theater Pack 5.1 Surround Sound System and possibly pairing that with Denon AVR-S740H Receiver. First time buyer of any home theatre audio equip and completely lost!
what exactly are you asking?
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Old 06-11-2019, 12:01 AM   #2542
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what exactly are you asking?
would those speakers perform well with that receiver
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Old 06-11-2019, 12:37 AM   #2543
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Could someone help an audio novice please :

i'm looking at the Klipsch Black Reference Theater Pack 5.1 Surround Sound System and possibly pairing that with Denon AVR-S740H Receiver. First time buyer of any home theatre audio equip and completely lost!
The maximum acoustic output, sometimes called maximum Sound Pressure Level [SPL], "volume," or "loudness") specified by Klipsch for the subwoofer is 108 dB, and that is probably at 1 meter away from the sub. In a typical room (] different than outdoors or in an anechoic chamber), you will lose about 3 dB for every doubling of distance, so, if you are sitting 2 meters (a little less than 7 feet) away from the subwoofer, you would get only about 105 dB from the subwoofer at the loudest. For people who like their movies at theater SPL, 105 dB, while O.K. for the main speakers at maximum, is 10 dB short for the subwoofer, which needs 115 dB for the loudest special effects, at Reference Level (professional theater or control room maximum).

This might or might not be a problem. I play most movies at 5 dB below Reference, which is about what THX urges for the maximum in my size room, due to early reflections fooling the brain into thinking the sound is of higher SPL than it really is in a home size room. Most people play at 10 dB to (even) 20 dB below Reference. That may be what Klipsch is banking on. At, say, 15 dB below Reference, at, maybe, 7 feet away, the sub you are looking at would put out 5 dB more than needed. At about 14 feet away, you would have about 2 dB more than needed for maximum SPL at 14 feet.

Don't get me wrong; I love Klipsch. My Home Theater (and music listening room) uses two Klipschorns for the main right and left speakers, a Belle Klipsch for the center channel, and Klipsch Heresy IIs for surrounds.

The Denon AVR-S740H Receiver is fine, due to the modest power the main speakers will accept (the subwoofer has its own amp built in). You will have 2 more amp channels than you need right now, but maybe you will add two more small speakers for two more channels later.

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Old 06-11-2019, 01:19 AM   #2544
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Don't get me wrong; I love Klipsch. My Home Theater (and music listening room) uses two Klipschorns for the main right and left speakers, a Belle Klipsch for the center channel, and Klipsch Heresy IIs for surrounds.

The Denon AVR-S740H Receiver is fine, due to the modest power the main speakers will accept (the subwoofer has its own amp built in). You will have 2 more amp channels than you need right now, but maybe you will add two more small speakers for two more channels later.
i really appreciate your time and response. i've been looking at different posts, videos, and websites since noon today. i'm now torn from buying a bundled package vs assembling one. Now, I have this in my amazon cart. what's your take on this?

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i really appreciate your time and response. i've been looking at different posts, videos, and websites since noon today. i'm now torn from buying a bundled package vs assembling one. Now, I have this in my amazon cart. what's your take on this?

Ifyou like it pretty loud, about as loud as it is in commercial theaters, you should get a subwoofer that is capable of 115 dB -- this is usually given on specification sheets. Look up the spec sheet on the Klipsch website. The sub listed at the bottom of your Amazon cart page is better than the one in the bundled package, but still won't make 115 dB without risk. If you like your music and movies at "medium level" that sub might be O.K., but no guarantees if the filmmakers go overboard (which they do, often).
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Old 06-13-2019, 12:36 AM   #2546
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Ifyou like it pretty loud, about as loud as it is in commercial theaters, you should get a subwoofer that is capable of 115 dB -- this is usually given on specification sheets. Look up the spec sheet on the Klipsch website. The sub listed at the bottom of your Amazon cart page is better than the one in the bundled package, but still won't make 115 dB without risk. If you like your music and movies at "medium level" that sub might be O.K., but no guarantees if the filmmakers go overboard (which they do, often).
how would the set up i have in the amazon cart do in a 16x16 basement, paired with a grumpy wife and 7 month old that hate loudness? this set up too much? lol
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how would the set up i have in the amazon cart do in a 16x16 basement, paired with a grumpy wife and 7 month old that hate loudness? this set up too much? lol
Under those circumstances, the system in the Amazon cart would probably be fine.

The fact that your room is 16 x 16 might be a problem. A perfectly square room is not desirable because both dimensions reinforce or attenuate the exactly the same bass standing waves, doubling their influence Short of altering the dimensions, you can do a few things. See articles on room acoustics. Use Audyssey (included in the receiver in your Amazon cart). Use all 6 or 8 microphone positions when setting it up. It takes time to do it properly. Read this: "Audyssey FAQ Linked Here"... if the link won't work, Google AVS forum "official audyssey thread, post number 51778 (of 79637).

If you use Audyssey, it will knock down some bass peaks you were used to, so it might sound like there isn't enough bass, therefore turn up the subwoofer a bit (3 to 6 dB?) AFTER running Audyssey and either use DEQ or turn up the bass tone control (usable only when DEQ is off). This shouldn't make the overall sound louder than it would be without Audyssey, but it should sound better.

The "midrange compensation" that Audyssey Reference uses fights harshness by putting a dip at about 2K Hz, but returns the curve to normal in the "presence" range (4K to 8K, approximately) then starts the roll-off at about 8K, reaching -2 at 10 K, and -6 at 20K.

For excellent recordings, I tend to use Audyssey Flat, and for less than excellent recordings, I use Audyssey Reference.

Classical and Jazz recordings are still good, but pop, rock and metal producers are in the middle of a disturbing period in which they jack up the midrange, and attenuate the bass. Audyssey Reference is a partial cure for that. See Chris A's The Missing Octave over on the Klipsch Community Forum.

Make sure you have some area rugs on the floor.

You may want to partially sound proof the ceiling if your family will be lingering straight above. Is it open to joists, or plastered/sheet rocked?
Google sound proofing (total soundproofing is impossible in a home, unless you are wealthy, and are starting from scratch).

As to the phenomenon you called, "grumpy wife," women usually have better high frequency hearing than men, and therefore sometimes are more sensitive to loud music (the genders are pulling together, though, thanks to ear protection in industry, the elimination of the military draft, the fact that smoking is on the decline, etc.) There is a twist, however.
What the ear/brain calls "loud" may have high intermodulation (& other) distortion, which is quite unpleasant, and tricks the brain into thinking the sound is "louder" than it really is in terms of actual sound pressure level. Unpleasant, specular, early room reflections can do something similar. That's why THX advises playing Home Theater sound some 5 to 8 dB softer than the standard level used in commercial cinemas, or the level of a live symphony orchestra from the close seats in a concert hall. The irony is, if everything else could be held equal, the more powerful the receiver one has, the less likely clipping distortion, or intermodulation distortion is to trick your brain (or, in the case of clipping, blow your speakers), at the exact same SPL. Some studies indicate that women are more sensitive to distortion, too.

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Old 06-08-2020, 11:07 AM   #2548
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Just picked up a pair of R-41SA Atmos speakers. Couldn't put speakers in the ceiling so I got these. If anyone has any tips on settings for optimal sound, much appreciated. The sound doesn't truly come from above like ceiling speakers but they seem like a good substitute. They sound reasonable so far.

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Also upgraded my little pea-shooter center that I've had for 12 years now. Picked up a R-34C. What a difference I was always turning the volume up to hear the dialogue and then get blasted by explosions. Now I know why. I read an article why the center speaker is the most important speaker because most of the activity in a film comes from center. Makes sense. I spent 80% of my life as a 2-channel stereo guy so I can see how I was a bit prone to ignorance.

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It's about time to upgrade my 5.1 Technics/Optimus hybrid setup to Atmos. Here is a deal I've found that if purchased via Amazon or Best Buy, totals over $1975, yet here at Costco is $899.99!
2 - R-625FA Tower Speakers
2 - R-41M Bookshelf Speakers
1 - R-52C Center Channel Speaker
Speaker Wires Included - 95 Feet Total

I would still have to purchase a RC42IIBL center instead of the included R-52C due to space in my IKEA Brimnes tv stand. But how can this deal be true?

I cannot post the link to Costco.
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Old 04-14-2021, 01:39 PM   #2551
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Installed my 280FAs I got for $700 yesterday... very happy with my purchase. Finally have Atmos support. Went ahead and ordered the RP-450C. Now I'm just waiting on the R115SW to go on sale for less than $900...
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are they still making the r115sw?... I have one and kicked around the idea of adding another if I can find a good deal
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Yes. Still haven't bought one, ended up upgrading my BIC PL-200 to the PL-300 to hold me over until I'm ready to drop a stack. I did finally upgrade my rear speakers, replace my old Mirage HTIB speakers with the RP-402S

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-SHSGr2...02S-Ebony.html
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Considering a major speaker changeout after my lovely experience with the RP-600M.

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Went from a pair of Audio Engine 5+ speakers for computer desk audio to the RP-600M's, bi-amped with an older Marantz SR7009 receiver. Utterly huge improvement. Music is alive and dynamic. Hearing things I never did before....

Due to my overwhelming excellent experience with the RP-600M's, I'm now considering replacing the following in my theater/music system in the living room: Paradigm Monitor 11 v.7's towers, Center 3(center channel) and Monitor 9 v.7's.

In general, the Paradigms are just a little too laid back and undynamic sounding compared to what I'm hearing with the little RP-600M's in my computer room.

I'm considering the following from Klipsch and would appreciate any comments:

RP-8000f (fronts)
RP-6000f (rears-sides)
RP-504C (center)

I already have 4 Klipsch small bookshelves for Atmos height and 2 Klipsch small bookshelves for direct rear behind me. An SVS sub for the boom!

But I so love what I've been hearing with music at my computer with the little RP-600M's, that I'm really thinking about bringing this "type" of sound into my main room.

Again, any thoughts from the Klipsch people here would be most welcome.....

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Considering a major speaker changeout after my lovely experience with the RP-600M.

Story:

Went from a pair of Audio Engine 5+ speakers for computer desk audio to the RP-600M's, bi-amped with an older Marantz SR7009 receiver. Utterly huge improvement. Music is alive and dynamic. Hearing things I never did before....

Due to my overwhelming excellent experience with the RP-600M's, I'm now considering replacing the following in my theater/music system in the living room: Paradigm Monitor 11 v.7's towers, Center 3(center channel) and Monitor 9 v.7's.

In general, the Paradigms are just a little too laid back and undynamic sounding compared to what I'm hearing with the little RP-600M's in my computer room.

I'm considering the following from Klipsch and would appreciate any comments:

RP-8000f (fronts)
RP-6000f (rears-sides)
RP-504C (center)

I already have 4 Klipsch small bookshelves for Atmos height and 2 Klipsch small bookshelves for direct rear behind me. An SVS sub for the boom!

But I so love what I've been hearing with music at my computer with the little RP-600M's, that I'm really thinking about bringing this "type" of sound into my main room.

Again, any thoughts from the Klipsch people here would be most welcome.....
I have a Klipsch system comprising of the RP-250F towers, RP-504C center, and RP-250S bipolar surrounds, along with two SVS PB-1000's. I've had my Klipsch system for three years now and couldn't be happier. They are by far the best bang for the buck. Since they're so sensitive and require little power to drive hard, they deliver rich fully bodied sound, especially for home theater purposes. Horns are just more fun to listen to, in my opinion. They have a sound that is "alive" in ways that other speakers just aren't, unless you want to spend thousands of dollars more for a microscopic improvement.

That setup you listed will blow you away. Whatever you do, don't skimp on the center and absolutely get the 504C. I had a 500C for about a year and it sounded great, but considering with home theater, 80% of the sound is coming from the center, you want the most capable speaker in your setup to be your center channel. That's why I upgraded to the 504C and couldn't be happier. I recommend, for your side surrounds, to go with the speakers on or in-wall speakers. Bipolar speakers are best for this position, positioned 2 feet above ear level to the side of the seating area. I'd go with the 502S or 250S.

Cruthfield has them on sale right now for $500 for a pair.

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-cjqba7...oaAr0cEALw_wcB
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Finally bought the 15 inch sub for $750 on Amazon (w/ wireless kit). Just bought a new TV and AVR so I said F it and completed the Trifecta. Also just put a new roof on the house today. My band accoutn weeps, but hey, it's my bday month.
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