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Old 01-09-2018, 06:46 PM   #1
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I actually had no idea Samsung had a tech like this in their sleeves and whilst it's interesting that it can do perfect black like OLEDs and has no burn in risk as well as like LCD the potential for massive peak brightness perhaps even more so than OLED.

Sony recently showed off an 8K 10,000 nits monster that seemed to have local dimming available and I'm sure Samsung could probably replicate that with the Micro Led tech BUT it's the "Modular" nature of how it all seems put together that puts me off a bit. It's mainly because you seem to "see" the little modules all stuck together forming the TV but I'm interested to see if Samsung find a way to use Micro LED tech in a more "hidden" way where it looks like traditional screens in all one piece.

I think it possibly still suffers from LCD style motion resolution issues but the tech combined with quantum dots really could beast the flat screen market for even 4K HDR at 10,000 nits within 3-5 years.

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I actually had no idea Samsung had a tech like this in their sleeves and whilst it's interesting that it can do perfect black like OLEDs and has no burn in risk as well as like LCD the potential for massive peak brightness perhaps even more so than OLED.

Sony recently showed off an 8K 10,000 nits monster that seemed to have local dining available and I'm sure Samsung could probably replicate that with the Micro Led tech BUT it's the "Modular" nature of how it all seems put together that puts me off a bit. It's mainly because you seem to "see" the little modules all stuck together forming the TV but I'm interested to see if Samsung find a way to use Micro LED tech in a more "hidden" way where it looks like traditional screens in all one piece.

I think it possibly still suffers from LCD style motion resolution issues but the tech combined with quantum dots really could beast the flat screen market for even 4K HDR at 10,000 nits within 3-5 years.
I'm always in for some local dining, but as far as the rest of your post, I have no idea.
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It sounds a little like Sony's CrystalLED they showed off a few years ago at CES, nothing came of it but it sounded terrific. 1080p set using individual LEDs as the light source, no LCD panel. Perfect blacks.
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I'm always in for some local dining, but as far as the rest of your post, I have no idea.
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Samsung's "The Wall" TV looks amazing; it is a 146" micro LED behemoth that will be available for purchase later this year. The price will likely be astounding, too. It is modular. It is shown in this article from CNN along with two other devices.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/09/tech...tvs/index.html
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This might sound naive but what’s to stop people buying a modular tv and then not needing to buy another tv for a very long time. If a module breaks just send it back and reduce the size of the tv. You could in theory, keep doing this beyond the warranty so even though you wouldn’t get a replacement module after the warranty, you could just reduce the size of the screen from the original 75 inches until most of your tiles die.

This sounds bad for tv manufacturers, whats the hook to sell you a new tv down the line?
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what's the latest on this will it get as small as 55 inches?
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what's the latest on this will it get as small as 55 inches?
Probably never happen. 75" would be the smallest.
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Probably never happen. 75" would be the smallest.
that sucks it's closest to crt when it comes to having no blur.
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what's the latest on this will it get as small as 55 inches?
TCL has a micro led tv out.

I think 60" will be the smallest, most people don't want 75" TVs
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TCL has a micro led tv out.

I think 60" will be the smallest, most people don't want 75" TVs
TCL's TV is a mini-LED backlight - not micro LED.

The fastest growing segment of the TV market are those whose size is greater than 65".
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This might sound naive but what’s to stop people buying a modular tv and then not needing to buy another tv for a very long time. If a module breaks just send it back and reduce the size of the tv. You could in theory, keep doing this beyond the warranty so even though you wouldn’t get a replacement module after the warranty, you could just reduce the size of the screen from the original 75 inches until most of your tiles die.

This sounds bad for tv manufacturers, whats the hook to sell you a new tv down the line?
I suspect that the modular nature of the technology will benefit manufacturers and customers in terms of cost. However, I doubt it's modularity will be a factor for the customer beyond the potentially lower price. I don't think they'll be able to add or subtract modules like Lego bricks.
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Samsung Includes Epistar for Micro LED Chip Supply

Samsung has added Epistar, the Taiwan based LED chip provider, as a supplier of Micro LED chips to diversity its supply chain, reported Korean media, TheElec.

The report said that Samsung included Epistar to its Micro LED supply chain to secure its promise for launching Micro LED TVs in the second half of 2020. Samsung revealed its Micro LED TV lineup earlier this year at CES 2020. The company aims to debut four sizes Micro LED TVs covering 75 inches, 88 inches 93 inches and 110 inches to the market in Europe, North America and the Middle East this year.

To achieve the goal, Samsung has to ensure sufficient supply of Micro LED chips. The Korean company currently work with Taiwan’s PlayNitride and China’s Sanan for chip. Epistar has announced the plan to expand production capacity for miniaturized LED chips to meet the increasing demands from its clients. The news of Samsung adding the chip maker into its supply chain also matches Epistar’s expansion in production capacity.

Epistar is reportedly supplying Mini LED chips for Apple’s new products including iPad Pro and MacBook Pro for 2020 and 2021 which are said to be adopting Mini LED technology.

https://www.ledinside.com/news/2020/...istar_microled
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Good news if it will help bring MicroLED to market far quicker and drop prices. Personally don't think the version i want is going to be available for a while though with no visible seams etc. and the full fat PQ potential at an equivalent market price to OLEDs. However i do think long term this will be the TV tech to have with perfect OLED blacks, HDR peak brightness like LCDs and same response times as OLED.
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Good news if it will help bring MicroLED to market far quicker and drop prices. Personally don't think the version i want is going to be available for a while though with no visible seams etc. and the full fat PQ potential at an equivalent market price to OLEDs. However i do think long term this will be the TV tech to have with perfect OLED blacks, HDR peak brightness like LCDs and same response times as OLED.
MicroLED is the future. Infinite contrast, no screen burn-in.
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Hope ^ this actually happens. BTW, current OLED TVs have Infinite contrast.

My MicroLED concerns are:

- Cost of Micro LED will not make this an affordable choice for the vast majority of consumers, even premium luxury consumers.

- When it will be available in a consumer version

- You must build to specific sizes and the resolutions are not good in smaller sizes

- I don't like the seams that are visible on all 4 sides of each MicroLED module

- Did I say MicroLED is priced far out of reach for most consumers

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Hope ^ this actually happens. BTW, current OLED TVs have Infinite contrast.

My MicroLED concerns are:

- Cost of Micro LED will not make this an affordable choice for the vast majority of consumers, even premium luxury consumers.

- When it will be available in a consumer version

- You must build to specific sizes and the resolutions are not good in smaller sizes

- I don't like the seams that are visible on all 4 sides of each MicroLED module

- Did I say MicroLED is priced far out of reach for most consumers


I get OLED has infinite contrast. OLED is by far the best TV I've ever owned (my previous TV was plasma) but despite babying the TV I have minor burn-in (the YouTube app). So I want all the benefits of OLED but no danger of screen burn-in.

I'm going to lose out regardless. I have 2016 OLED and it has passive 3D and the 3D is incredible. Any upgrade I get I will lose the 3D. I could even fix the minor screen burn-in I have by replacing but again, I would lose the 3D. But I will eventually upgrade because I am sick of avoiding shows with bright logos (for example CNN).

I share all of your concerns with MicroLED but I'm hopeful they iron out all the issues and then mass produce.
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Beginning 2017 and every year thereafter OLED TVs have integrated several technologies to help prevent burn-in. 2016 and earlier OLED TVs were more susceptible to image retention.
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