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Old 08-23-2012, 12:25 PM   #1
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Default Sony XBR-84X800 84" LED ultraHDTV 4k

The estimated retail price of Sony’s 80-inch XBR is $30,000 and due around the Holiday season.


The XBR6 and XBR7 lineup isn’t the most interesting compared to the current models, with modest upgrades like DLNA compliance, TV Guide IPG, "Enhanced" XMB interface, and now BRAVIA Sync capability. Also they sport four HDMI ports instead of three while still keeping both component inputs. There’s also a PC input as well, but it looks like the TVs shed the standard RCA inputs.


Here’s where the XBR8 gets really exciting though — TRILUMINOS RGB LED backlight! Yes! That’s what we’re talkin’ about, folks. In addition to the LED backlighting, Sony has thrown in their "Advanced Contrast Enhancer PRO", the new BRAVIA Engine 2 PRO, and all of the other features the XBR6 and XBR7 have.
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Old 08-24-2012, 08:33 PM   #2
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Sounds like an amazing TV, but at $30,000 It's going to be a hard sell here.
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Old 08-24-2012, 08:53 PM   #3
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So the RCA cables aren't component cables?
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Sounds like an amazing TV, but at $30,000 It's going to be a hard sell here.
It shouldn't come as a surprise that Sony overpriced this item (they overprice everything they sell).
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Old 08-27-2012, 08:10 PM   #5
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The estimated retail price of Sony’s 80-inch XBR is $30,000 and due around the Holiday season.


The XBR6 and XBR7 lineup isn’t the most interesting compared to the current models, with modest upgrades like DLNA compliance, TV Guide IPG, "Enhanced" XMB interface, and now BRAVIA Sync capability. Also they sport four HDMI ports instead of three while still keeping both component inputs. There’s also a PC input as well, but it looks like the TVs shed the standard RCA inputs.


Here’s where the XBR8 gets really exciting though — TRILUMINOS RGB LED backlight! Yes! That’s what we’re talkin’ about, folks. In addition to the LED backlighting, Sony has thrown in their "Advanced Contrast Enhancer PRO", the new BRAVIA Engine 2 PRO, and all of the other features the XBR6 and XBR7 have.

Link ??

How much is that in £ ??
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Old 08-27-2012, 08:16 PM   #6
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Link ??

How much is that in £ ??
£18,900

Size has been upped to 84" since I first posted.
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Old 08-28-2012, 04:08 AM   #7
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Most of the stories that came up in a search is that the Sony 84" will be edge-lit, not full array Triluminous backlit.
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Old 08-28-2012, 08:50 AM   #8
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Most of the stories that came up in a search is that the Sony 84" will be edge-lit, not full array Triluminous backlit.
They said it would be OLED too
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Old 08-29-2012, 03:17 PM   #9
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/29/s...-4k-tv-at-ifa/


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Sony's rolling out the new products thick and fast at its press conference at IFA, the latest beauty on display, this stunning 84-inch 4K Bravia TV. The new 3,840 x 2,160 LCD telly comes loaded with X-Reality Pro Engine to take care of the rendering, and a "10 Unit Live Speaker" system. No information on price or availability at this time, though we'll be sure to let you know once we do.


High-resolution large screen picture and high-quality powerful sound deliver an immersive experience, offering new ways for customers to enjoy television


Sony Corporation ("Sony") today announced that it will begin the phased launch of its latest BRAVIA LCD television, the KD-84X9005, in all global regions from the end of the year. The new BRAVIA boasts a 4K (3840 x 2160) LCD panel, in the industry's largest 84-inch class(*1) and incorporates Sony's '4K X-Reality PRO' super-resolution high picture quality engine. This formidable combination seamlessly delivers a high-resolution large-screen picture with high-quality powerful sound to provide viewers with immersive experiences, unlike anything offered by existing televisions.
(*1: as of August 29, 2012.)

4K TV KD-84X9005

This new 4K TV comes equipped with a 4K LCD panel comprising approximately 8.29 megapixels which is 4 times the resolution of Full HD standard, and incorporates '4K X-Reality PRO', Sony's super-resolution high picture quality engine optimized for 4K LCD TV. This engine is capable of reproducing a variety of content with different resolutions, such as HD digital broadcasts or Blu-ray discs content, into stunningly crisp, high-quality images with 4K resolution. Viewers will not be bothered by the pixels and notice images are breathtakingly realistic and beautifully clear with the 60-degree viewing angle, even if they sit as much as half the distance (*2) to the screen, as compared to when viewing Full HD (for which distance equal to 3 times the screen height is recommended).
(*2 Appropriate distance for comfortable viewing depends on the content, viewing environment as well as the physical conditions of viewers. We recommend viewing from a suitable distance while taking breaks at regular intervals.)

In addition, the combination of '10 Unit Live Speaker' side speaker system, which is optimised for this large-size screen, with Sony's unique high-quality sound signal-processing technology achieves powerful three-dimensional sound that envelops the viewer in position-orienting tones, from deep bass to high notes.

With its beautiful, large high-resolution screen and high-quality powerful sound, viewers can enjoy immersive experiences unlike anything offered by existing televisions, as if they were at a live entertainment venue or in a movie theater.

Viewers can also enjoy high resolution digital photographs on the large screen, by blowing up scenic pictures into large poster sizes, or enlarging photos of children into life-sized pictures for the whole family to see. Furthermore, special 'PlayMemories Studio' (*3), a special 'PlayStation®3 software, enables users to organize and playpack high resolution photographs with ease and comfort on the 4K television. Going forward, Sony aims to offer new television viewing styles by continuing to provide these kinds of new consumer experiences.(*3 available during current fiscal year ending March 2013)

Sony has been involved in building the 4K content viewing and creating environment in the professional field, from rolling out its 4K digital cinema projectors to movie theaters throughout the world, to preparing a range of production equipment, including the flagship CineAlta 'F65' camera capable of shooting 4K content. In the consumer electronic field, Sony has released the 'VPL-VW1000ES' home theater projector for family use which has been very favorably received.

Sony will strive to strengthen its 'BRAVIA products with the release of the kind of high-resolution, large-screen 4K TV, which maximizes its technical prowess in the field of 4K, and offers new ways to enjoy television.
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Old 08-29-2012, 03:19 PM   #10
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If I had the money I so would I guess I'll just start saving now so in a decade I'll be half way towards affording an 8k panel and just skip 4k lol.
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Old 08-29-2012, 03:34 PM   #11
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So can this tv do 3D? It'd be kind of lame if a $30,000 tv couldn't
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Old 08-29-2012, 04:00 PM   #12
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So can this tv do 3D? It'd be kind of lame if a $30,000 tv couldn't
According to what I've read, yes, this is also a 3D TV

in fact, engadget's intro is now:

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Sony's rolling out the new products thick and fast at its press conference at IFA, the latest beauty on display, this stunning 84-inch 4K Bravia TV. The new 3,840 x 2,160 LCD telly comes loaded with X-Reality Pro Engine to take care of the rendering, and a "10 Unit Live Speaker" system. If two dimensions aren't enough, then the KD-84X9005 also supports upscaling for greater-than-HD passive 3D. No information on price at this time, but it should be available from the end of this year.
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Old 08-29-2012, 08:53 PM   #13
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the only thing is that if it's 3840 pixels across that will still crop 4% of the 4000 pixel wide Super-35 masters' Projector Aperture or studios will have to resize them 0.96% making the definition quality of the image of 4K masters closer to ~1440p instead of 2160p.

I think the Sony projector was full 4K
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:59 AM   #14
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Since when is 4K 3840 horizontal pixels? I don't see a 4 there freakin' Sony, if they're going to make that the standard resolution for whatever next-gen video format they've got cooking, they're dumb. 4K as defined by the DCI standard is 4096x2160. This is like calling 1080p 2K... it ain't. Once again you'll need to scale or crop the image, losing quality.
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Old 08-30-2012, 03:58 AM   #15
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Only $30,000 that's it? I'll take two, one for my bedroom and one for the bathroom.
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Old 08-30-2012, 09:29 AM   #16
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Now give us the player too and the disks
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Old 08-30-2012, 09:33 AM   #17
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Now give us the player too and the disks
That will be a PS4 for you then sir


I don't know if we would need BDXL as long as they start using the new H.265 codec. It's twice the compresion with no loss in quality.

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New compression standard could be in commercial products as early as next year

The Moving Picture Experts Group (MPEG) met recently to issue a draft international standard of a new video compression format offering twice the performance of current standards. The new video compression format is called High Efficiency Video Coating or HEVC. The new H.265 compression codec is roughly twice as effective as the current H.264/AVC standard.

“There’s a lot of industry interest in this because it means you can halve the bit rate and still achieve the same visual quality, or double the number of television channels with the same bandwidth, which will have an enormous impact on the industry,” says Per Fröjdh, Manager for Visual Technology at Ericsson Research, Group Function Technology, who organized the event as Chairman of the Swedish MPEG delegation.

H.265 could usher in ultra high definition television with significantly more clarity than the 1080p we have today. The new compression format will also significantly reduce the bandwidth required for streaming video on mobile networks where wireless spectrum is at a premium. The format will pave the way for wireless carriers to offer more video services within the confines of their available spectrum.

“Video accounts for the vast majority of all data sent over networks, and that proportion is increasing: by 2015, it is predicted to account for 90 percent of all network traffic,” Fröjdh says.

He believes that the HEVC format discussed during the meeting in Stockholm could find its way into commercial products as early as 2013.

“It will take time before it’s launched for a TV service, but adoption is much quicker in the mobile area, and we’ll probably see the first services for mobile use cases next year,” Fröjdh added.
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Old 08-30-2012, 09:36 AM   #18
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ok then can someone plz explain the following ..

We recommend viewing from a suitable distance while taking breaks at regular intervals.)
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Since when is 4K 3840 horizontal pixels? I don't see a 4 there freakin' Sony, if they're going to make that the standard resolution for whatever next-gen video format they've got cooking, they're dumb. 4K as defined by the DCI standard is 4096x2160. This is like calling 1080p 2K... it ain't. Once again you'll need to scale or crop the image, losing quality.
4k UHDTV was defined as 3840x2160 many many years ago. It is nothing to do with 'freakin Sony' trying to sneak one past you.

Once you have decided that 'approx 4000 wide' is your ballpark resolution then it makes a lot of sense for scaling and other reasons to go with an even multiple of 1920x1080.
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ITU = International Telecommunications Union

http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/p...s/2012/31.aspx

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Ultra High Definition Television: Threshold of a new age

ITU Recommendations on UHDTV standards agreed

Geneva, 24 May 2012 – ITU has announced a new Recommendation that represents a major advance in television broadcasting that will create an entirely new television broadcast environment with the advent of ‘Ultra High Definition Television’ or UHDTV. ITU’s Radiocommunication Sector (ITU-R) has developed the standard – or Recommendation – in collaboration with experts from the television industry, broadcasting organizations and regulatory institutions in its Study Group 6.

Ultra High Definition Television: A more defined future

The quality of television pictures that viewers see has improved dramatically since it was invented in the 1930s. A dim black and white screen in the corner of the room has become the sparkling ‘high definition’ colour picture that we see on today’s large ‘flat panel displays’.
But technology does not stand still. ITU-R Study Group 6 has now agreed a draft new Recommendation on the technical details for ‘Ultra High Definition Television’ or UHDTV which is now being submitted to Administrations for approval.
The ITU-R Recommendation lays out the quality standards for UHDTV in two steps. The advances made with each of these quality steps are roughly similar to the step from the old ‘standard definition television’ to ‘high definition television (HDTV)’. HDTV pictures today have the equivalent of between 1-2 megapixels.

The first level of UHDTV picture levels has the equivalent of about 8 megapixels (3 840 x 2 160 image system), and the next level comes with the equivalent of about 32 megapixels (7 680 x 4 320 image system). As a shorthand way of describing them, they are sometimes called the ‘4K’ and ‘8K’ UHDTV systems.

Ultra high definition picture quality is accompanied by improved colour fidelity, and options for higher numbers of pictures per second than for today’s television systems.
ITU Secretary-General Hamadoun Touré praised the work of ITU-R Study Group 6. “UHDTV is an earth-shaking development in the world of television,” Dr Touré said. “Watching UHDTV in the near future will be a breath taking experience, and I look forward to it.”
David Wood, Chairman of ITU-R Working Party 6C (WP 6C), which developed the draft new Recommendation, said, “This is the dawn of a new age for television that will bring unprecedented levels of realism and viewer enjoyment. It’s a historic moment. Some years will pass before we see these systems in our homes, but come they will. The die is now cast, thanks to the untiring efforts of the international experts participating in WP6C.”
Chairman of ITU R Study Group 6 Christoph Dosch added, “This is clearly a major achievement for ITU-R Study Group 6 of which we can be proud. The Recommendation means that organizations around the world can safely begin work to make UHDTV a reality.”

Director of ITU’s Radiocommunication Bureau François Rancy said, “I’ve personally seen the pictures with 8K UHDTV system, and it’s absolutely stunning – the sense of being there is superb. This agreement shows the great and continuing strength of the ITU-R and Study Group 6.”

A video on UHDTV development is at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT2Xl...ature=youtu.be
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