Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Alchav, you should try watching GOTG2 in 3D Blu-ray. Just watch it and weep, because streaming will not even come close to that. The sharpness and background detail is out of this world! (Pun intended)

AFAIK, Blu-ray is the only format to have frame packed 3D. All streaming uses ToB or SbS 3D so you have either half H or V resolution.

Just watched House of Wax on 3D BD, really good for a film of this vintage.

[theEXORCIST]

I can't believe how some people can own 2000 movies on disc have netflix hulu prime and cable tv. I enjoy watching movies more when its an event I love my movie collection and have fun putting it together but I dont enjoy binge watching shows or watching movies every nnight and I never watch a movie at home before I see a movie at the theater

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Alchav, you should try watching GOTG2 in 3D Blu-ray. Just watch it and weep, because streaming will not even come close to that. The sharpness and background detail is out of this world! (Pun intended)

I like GOTG, I have them both in my Collection but I'm not a big fan of 3D. I've watched Star Wars Movies in 3D at the Theater, and I much prefer to watch them in 2D on my big screen at home. Streaming GOTG on my Sony UHD TV is Fantastic enough for me!

[Vilya]

I have to go and change the default settings on my sister's new TV tomorrow. She chose the Sony XBR 55X900F. She has always loved Sony TVs going back several decades now.

She can not stream 4K because where she lives 12 Mbps DSL internet is all that is available. She is a half-mile too far from town to have access to cable internet.

Lots of people, 35% of American adults, have no broadband internet access and the ISPs show little interest in expanding their networks to include them. Thankfully, discs are available to all of us and they offer the best quality. Plus, with discs, you actually own a tangible item and you have control over your content.

Next, I will have to get her set-up with a 4K disc player as it is the only way she will be able to enjoy 4K content. Another person will soon adopt the newest physical media format.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

AFAIK, Blu-ray is the only format to have frame packed 3D. All streaming uses ToB or SbS 3D so you have either half H or V resolution.

Just watched House of Wax on 3D BD, really good for a film of this vintage.

It’s always compromises with streaming, and it always will be.

House Of Wax is one of my prized possessions. It’s a delightful 3D transfer and a cracking vintage horror film.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I like GOTG, I have them both in my Collection but I'm not a big fan of 3D. I've watched Star Wars Movies in 3D at the Theater, and I much prefer to watch them in 2D on my big screen at home. Streaming GOTG on my Sony UHD TV is Fantastic enough for me!

Man, it’s outstanding. Brings the film to life.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I have to go and change the default settings on my sister's new TV tomorrow. She chose the Sony XBR 55X900F. She has always loved Sony TVs going back several decades now.

She can not stream 4K because where she lives 12 Mbps DSL internet is all that is available. She is a half-mile too far from town to have access to cable internet.

Lots of people, 35% of American adults, have no broadband internet access and the ISPs show little interest in expanding their networks to include them. Thankfully, discs are available to all of us and they offer the best quality. Plus, with discs, you actually own a tangible item and you have control over your content.

Next, I will have to get her set-up with a 4K disc player as it is the only way she will be able to enjoy 4K content. Another person will soon adopt the newest physical media format.

You're correct, the Average Person has no idea what Facilities or Bandwidth they will need to Stream good Content. There was an Article in our paper today talking about Streaming Providers like Amazon, Hulu, Netflix, and Vudu but didn't even mention Access or Bandwidth. I think there is going to be a rude awakening, when people start to have problems accessing their favorite Streaming Providers.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well there is another update on my observations. I stopped at our Best Buy today, and all the Movie Disc Aisles are gone, they rearranged the store. Only a few 4K Displays, and when I talked with the Sales Reps they said they are getting rid of all Disc Sales at the Store, maybe OnLine for a while longer. So maybe Discs are headed for an early departure....May they RIP!

Reference:
Best Buy
844 W Telegraph St
Washington, UT 84780
435-627-8418
Best Buy person: Chad

I called your Best Buy store today, 1351 EDT and spoke to a person named Chad. I asked if they had stopped selling DVD’s, Blu-ray’s and 4K Blu-ray’s at that location and the response was they still sold DVD’s, Blu-ray’s and 4K Blu-ray’s. He did say they had stopped selling CD’s. So it would appear someone is lying, you or the Best Buy employee. Will let folks here decide for themselves, I posted the contact info if others want to call.

Did another check, went to the Best Buy site, made your local store, Washington, UT, my store and searched for a few titles (used the banners here for titles). Some were not available local (50 mile), some were available local (your store), some were online only.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Reference:
Best Buy
844 W Telegraph St
Washington, UT 84780
435-627-8418
Best Buy person: Chad

I called your Best Buy store today, 1351 EDT and spoke to a person named Chad. I asked if they had stopped selling DVD’s, Blu-ray’s and 4K Blu-ray’s at that location and the response was they still sold DVD’s, Blu-ray’s and 4K Blu-ray’s. He did say they had stopped selling CD’s. So it would appear someone is lying, you or the Best Buy employee. Will let folks here decide for themselves, I posted the contact info if others want to call.

Did another check, went to the Best Buy site, made your local store, Washington, UT, my store and searched for a few titles (used the banners here for titles). Some were not available local (50 mile), some were available local (your store), some were online only.

It's not hard to catch him in a lie. I call it a lie because no matter what the store employee did or did not tell him, he could have easily seen for himself that the store still stocked DVDs, Blu-rays, and 4K UHD discs. Further, no employee would tell a customer they no longer sell something that they do, in fact, sell and especially when that something is in plain sight on the sales floor. We have two lies here. His statement is a deliberate falsehood and, therefore, a flat-out lie.

It is the same as when he went on his last road trip and said that the people he visited do not buy discs and then in the second sentence after that he says their disc collections were small.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...ostcount=10057

It was also discovered that he was less than honest about his work history; he claimed to have retired from AT&T, but the facts do not support his claim:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=9436

^He never responded to the above post, either.

If it is humanly possible to go from having no credibility to having negative credibility, he, anchovy21, has accomplished it. His observations and his anecdotes are forever more suspect and presumed to be lies until proven otherwise. His being perpetually wrong is almost tolerable; his deliberate lies are not.

I call him anchovy21 because everything he writes is fishy. He has more than earned the full measure of the cumulative ridicule that has been meted out to him in this and other threads. He is the blu-ray.com

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

He has more than earned the full measure of the cumulative ridicule that has been meted out to him in this and other threads.

Not sure what the posters MO is. In the days of LaserDisc vs CED or Blu-ray vs HD DVD one could see why users sided with one format or the other but this poster just seems to be bitter anti disc for some reason. One would think the poster would be waving the disc flag since they are the big benefactor of cheap UV/MA codes included with disc.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Not sure what the posters MO is. In the days of LaserDisc vs CED or Blu-ray vs HD DVD one could see why users sided with one format or the other but this poster just seems to be bitter anti disc for some reason. One would think the poster would be waving the disc flag since they are the big benefactor of cheap UV/MA codes included with disc.

He's simply not smart enough to be grateful for the disc customers that make the cheap, even free, acquisition of digital codes possible on this website and elsewhere.

He wishes for disc to "RIP", but does not comprehend that if his petty vindictive wish were to come true, his source for free and cheap codes would also disappear. He is wishing for something that would actually have a negative impact on him. Like I said, he is a

[CV19]

May I ask out of curiosity, in the USA, are codes provided with even Blu-ray releases of older titles, or is it just brand new films? In the UK, I've only ever seen codes supplied with the latest titles - not that I have any use for them or anything. Ultimately, it's the disc I want, nothing else.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by CV19

May I ask out of curiosity, in the USA, are codes provided with even Blu-ray releases of older titles, or is it just brand new films? In the UK, I've only ever seen codes supplied with the latest titles - not that I have any use for them or anything. Ultimately, it's the disc I want, nothing else.

While I do not pay much attention to whether or not a disc includes a code, as I do not care, I have casually noticed that the majority of catalog blu-ray releases do not include a code. Labels like Warner Archive, Criterion, and Kino Lorber do not include codes with their catalog releases as far as I can tell from spot checking a few titles in my collection.

Catalog titles released on 4K UHD, however, do include a code from what I have seen so far.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Vilya

While I do not pay much attention to whether or not a disc includes a code, as I do not care, I have casually noticed that the majority of catalog blu-ray releases do not include a code. Labels like Warner Archive, Criterion, and Kino Lorber do not include codes with their catalog releases as far as I can tell from spot checking a few titles in my collection.

Catalog titles released on 4K UHD, however, do include a code from what I have seen so far.

Thanks Vilya. Yes, sounds like the same as over here. Labels like Arrow, Indicator, and Eureka which release classic older titles have no codes included. I've only ever seen them in brand new titles from say, Sony, Paramount and maybe Fox. Like yourself, they make no difference to me.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well there is another update on my observations. I stopped at our Best Buy today, and all the Movie Disc Aisles are gone, they rearranged the store. Only a few 4K Displays, and when I talked with the Sales Reps they said they are getting rid of all Disc Sales at the Store, maybe OnLine for a while longer. So maybe Discs are headed for an early departure....May they RIP!

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Reference:
Best Buy
844 W Telegraph St
Washington, UT 84780
435-627-8418
Best Buy person: Chad

I called your Best Buy store today, 1351 EDT and spoke to a person named Chad. I asked if they had stopped selling DVD’s, Blu-ray’s and 4K Blu-ray’s at that location and the response was they still sold DVD’s, Blu-ray’s and 4K Blu-ray’s. He did say they had stopped selling CD’s. So it would appear someone is lying, you or the Best Buy employee. Will let folks here decide for themselves, I posted the contact info if others want to call.

Did another check, went to the Best Buy site, made your local store, Washington, UT, my store and searched for a few titles (used the banners here for titles). Some were not available local (50 mile), some were available local (your store), some were online only.

You guys are quick to discredit people, no wonder Penguin left for the second time. I guess I hit some nerves and you guys are getting dispirit. I didn't say they had stopped selling Discs, they had a few displays. The Rep said they were enventually going to stop selling them. Did you ask about the rearangement and the Disc Aisles gone? I imagine if this store is cutting Disc Sales other stores will follow, so someone else could report. All the information shows that Discs are on the decline, and Streaming from a Server will take over. Oh and do you want my DD214 to prove I was an Army Pilot in Vietnam '69-70.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You guys are quick to discredit people...

You discredited yourself.

I called that phone number (at 17:16 CDT) and the same person, Chad, said that your store had about 4 aisles worth of movies on disc. He even told me where in the store to find them. He also said there were no plans to stop selling movies on disc in Best Buy stores.

Just stop digging yourself a deeper hole already.

Citing your military service when you are caught in a lie not only discredits you further; it is embarrassing and shameful. It does not erase the lie.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by CV19

I've only ever seen them in brand new titles from say, Sony, Paramount and maybe Fox.

Thought I saw somewhere that Fox and someone else was stopping or going to stop including digital codes with physical disc. If Disney loses the suit against Redbox then I would speculate they will stop including digital codes. We know that UV was a real disappointment for content providers, I wager things will not be much better with MA.

IMO, its only a matter of time before all the providers stop supplying digital codes. EST just does not have the appeal, if it did then the sales would be much better.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

It's not hard to catch him in a lie. I call it a lie because no matter what the store employee did or did not tell him, he could have easily seen for himself that the store still stocked DVDs, Blu-rays, and 4K UHD discs. Further, no employee would tell a customer they no longer sell something that they do, in fact, sell and especially when that something is in plain sight on the sales floor. We have two lies here. His statement is a deliberate falsehood and, therefore, a flat-out lie.

It is the same as when he went on his last road trip and said that the people he visited do not buy discs and then in the second sentence after that he says their disc collections were small.

You guys should not Attack People, you should be civil but like I said, I must have hit a nerve. You already knocked Penguin out, and I guess you want to knock me out if the Mods talk to anyone it should be you guys. I have a thick skin, and I have always said it's all Digital now and Streaming from a Disc or a Server is all the same. Yes my friends had small Disc Collections, but they were DVD's nothing recent.

As for Retiring, I Retired from PacBell, which SBC took over and then they acquired the AT&T name. I started with Pacific Telephone Company in 1964, as a kid running jumpers as a Fame Person this was the Normandy Office in L.A. Throw in the Army, Vietnam, and San Jose State getting a Business Degree in 1975. Went into Management was a Central Office Supervisor, ESS Trunking and Provisioning, and Service Manager working with Marketing. Retired in 1996 from PacBell/SBC.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

IMO, its only a matter of time before all the providers stop supplying digital codes.

I have a feeling you're right. I honestly don't know whether any studio specifically has announced they'll stop supplying codes, but either way it doesn't matter to us disc fans.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

You discredited yourself.

I agree, it is .

He also said there were no plans to stop selling movies on disc in Best Buy stores.

IIRC, Best Buy stated in the first part of the year they were going to stop selling CD's. I believe MPN is where that story came from. I seriously doubt a store manager could delete a product line, most decisions like that come from corporate.

There can be variation on the amount of goods stocked. The Walmart at Pisgah Forest, NC (small store) does not stock as many BD's and UHD Bd's as the Arden, NC Walmart Super Center. Please note, I did not count every single title at each store for comparison so it could be an illusion on my part.