Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Not this BS again

That poster has led us to believe he does not have Wi-Fi. Has FTTH, not sure sure what kind of gateway (ONT, fiber modem) he has. I would wager he does not have the skills to add a Wi-Fi access point to his system.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

That poster has led us to believe he does not have Wi-Fi. Has FTTH, not sure sure what kind of gateway (ONT, fiber modem) he has. I would wager he does not have the skills to add a Wi-Fi access point to his system.

Well Genius I don't know as much as you guys, but it doesn't take much to know the basics. I'm Old School and go way back with Hard Wire being the best consistent connection with full Bandwidth. I do have WiFi, but only for my Mobile Devices. My ISP set me up with a Netgear Gigabit Fiber Feed Switch feeding all my rooms from there for the IPTV too. I have a LinkSys Router set up for my two Workstations, Laser Printer, and Ooma VoIP Phone. The LinkSys Router is also my Wireless access point for my Mobile Devices. My Sony UHD TV has it's own run from the Fiber Feed Switch, giving it consistent full Bandwidth it does not go through my Router.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

My Sony UHD TV has it's own run from the Fiber Feed Switch, giving it consistent full Bandwidth it does not go through my Router.

Well DA your TV RJ45 spigot is most likely 100Base-T while the Wi-Fi for it is rated for AC. That means your TV Wi-Fi speeds could be 4 to 10 times faster than your wired connection. For streaming either connection is way more than enough.

If you ever wanted to play UHD/4K Blu-ray rips using your TV then you would have to do it using Wi-Fi AC.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Well DA your TV RJ45 spigot is most likely 100Base-T while the Wi-Fi for it is rated for AC. That means your TV Wi-Fi speeds could be 4 to 10 times faster than your wired connection. For streaming either connection is way more than enough.

If you ever wanted to play UHD/4K Blu-ray rips using your TV then you would have to do it using Wi-Fi AC.

I have no problem Streaming from any Provider over my Ethernet connection. My days of ripping BD or even 4K's are long gone, so 100Mbps is plenty for now. Those speeds for AC look good on paper, but in real time I'm sure Wired would beat it for consistent Bandwidth. I was going to say instead of going Wireless I would upgrade my Model, but the Manufacturers are not putting Gigabit Ethernet. Everyone thinks that Wireless is the way to go, but even 5G has it's limitations. I say FTTP is the Future!

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I'm sure Wired would beat it for consistent Bandwidth!

Can you PLEASE STOP BEATING THE WRONG DEAD HORSE ALREADY!!!!!!!

[Steedeel]

Just a heads up for 4K fans. The German UHD of Joker is listed on Amazon for March 2020.

Fantastic film I thought.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Those speeds for AC look good on paper, but in real time I'm sure Wired would beat it for consistent Bandwidth.

Wrong, again!!! For the 2nd or 3rd time I posted a measurement of my Wi-Fi speeds just a few post back (here) but apparently you do not understand the results. The link speed is 390 Mbps, that is 3.9 times faster than your TV’s wired connection. The measurement was made 45 feet from the wireless router with three walls in between.

[The_Donster]

Ah, the old wired vs wireless “debate”

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Ah, the old wired vs wireless “debate”

The obstinance of one does not make for a debate. No one and no amount of evidence will ever convince him of anything.

When he is sufficiently ridiculed he will stop, but only for awhile. He will return swearing anew that a wired internet connection will solve all the world's streaming problems.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

My days of ripping BD or even 4K's are long gone, so 100Mbps is plenty for now. Those speeds for AC look good on paper, but in real time I'm sure Wired would beat it for consistent Bandwidth.

You have never bought any 4K discs, so how could your "days of ripping" them be "long gone?" You have no 4K discs, no 4K disc player, and I am pretty certain that your computer has never had a 4K optical disc drive. But, by all means, regale us with your vast experience of ripping 4K discs.

Wireless networks provide consistent bandwidth results. Objective testing has proven this time and again. People would not use wireless networks if they were unreliable. Bury this already.

[rui no onna]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Wrong, again!!! For the 2nd or 3rd time I posted a measurement of my Wi-Fi speeds just a few post back (here) but apparently you do not understand the results. The link speed is 390 Mbps, that is 3.9 times faster than your TV’s wired connection. The measurement was made 45 feet from the wireless router with three walls in between.

Link speed isn't quite the same as throughput. Granted, I believe throughput is usually half which still gives you ~200 Mbps so double that of fast ethernet.

Problem with wireless isn't just throughput but dropouts. There's also a matter of range, dead spots and interference (e.g. neighbors' wifi in dense, urban settings like apartments). Ethernet, biggest hassle is running the cable. After that, it mostly just works.

Given most of my 4K Blu-rays are UHD66 and even the UHD100 ones are below 100 Mbps once the extra audio tracks are removed, I'd opt for 100 Mbps wired over wireless. Thankfully, my playback devices are gigabit.

Usually not an issue with apps such as Netflix which have buffering. Could still be a problem in certain setups with ISP provided combo modem/wifi router. At my aunt's place, with AT&T modem/router in upstairs bedroom, can't get a good enough signal for SD Netflix in the living room downstairs. It's faster to use LTE on the phone.

Unless one has really poor wifi like my aunt, wireless vs wired has no bearing on quality considering the low bitrates used by online services.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by rui no onna

Unless one has really poor wifi like my aunt, wireless vs wired has no bearing on quality considering the low bitrates used by online services.

Your last sentence states it succinctly.

If I had problems with dropouts, signal interference, range limitations, or signal obstructions, I would not use a wireless network. I don't have such problems and I would not tolerate them if I did. People use wireless networks because they work and they work reliably.

What does happen far more frequently and often lasts for hours, even days, is a complete internet service outage. Wired or wireless can't do shyte about that fact.

[rui no onna]

Originally Posted by Vilya

If I had problems with dropouts, signal interference, range limitations, or signal obstructions, I would not use a wireless network. I don't have such problems and I would not tolerate them if I did. People use wireless networks because they work and they work reliably.

My wireless network works fine for 99% of use including 50 Mbps 1080p Blu-ray streaming from SMB server while others in the household are simultaneously streaming YouTube, Netflix or Twitch. Obviously, it can easily handle any online streaming service which probably don't even hit 30 Mbps.

File transfers and downloads aren't an issue since those can seamlessly restart/resume when there are dropped packets.

It's really just UHD Blu-ray (via Windows Shares/SMB) that give me the occasional hiccup over wireless. I doubt many people are doing this. The ones that do probably have either a wired network or a well designed wifi network setup/equipment. Reckon choice of software/protocol plays a part as well. Plex does buffering so I expect that's more forgiving of the occasional dropout, too.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

If I had problems with dropouts, signal interference, range limitations, or signal obstructions, I would not use a wireless network. I don't have such problems and I would not tolerate them if I did. People use wireless networks because they work and they work reliably.

Well most people love their Wireless, but I think it's mostly for convenience and the only choice they have. I see with your new UHD TV you chose Wired, because the connection was there but you put it there for a reason. If you have a chance you should try Wireless to see which one you like the most but it has to be over a period of time not just a quick test. Yes I prefer Wired, but there is no need to get all upset you guys could use anything you want. I have just always preferred Wired because of the consistent reliable Bandwidth.

[The_Donster]

I don’t think it is that you prefer wired as much as you regurgitate the same argument over and over again that drives everyone insane alchav21

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by Vilya

The obstinance of one does not make for a debate. No one and no amount of evidence will ever convince him of anything.

When he is sufficiently ridiculed he will stop, but only for awhile. He will return swearing anew that a wired internet connection will solve all the world's streaming problems.

Nah, it is a debate. Because it will turn into the same tired discussion we’ve had with them over and over again. It has become one of the many staples in this thread

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Nah, it is a debate. Because it will turn into the same tired discussion we’ve had with them over and over again. It has become one of the many staples in this thread

There is no "them", it is just the same misinformed person stubbornly parroting the same debunked crap over and over again. Repeating a fallacy is not debating; there is no reasoning involved in it.

If I kept telling everyone that the moon was made of green cheese, would I be debating the composition of the moon or I would I just be an unrelenting fool?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well most people love their Wireless, but I think it's mostly for convenience and the only choice they have. I see with your new UHD TV you chose Wired, because the connection was there but you put it there for a reason. If you have a chance you should try Wireless to see which one you like the most but it has to be over a period of time not just a quick test. Yes I prefer Wired, but there is no need to get all upset you guys could use anything you want. I have just always preferred Wired because of the consistent reliable Bandwidth.

People love wireless networks because they work and they work well. Otherwise, they would hate them.

Wireless is convenient, but it is only convenient because it performs just as good as a wired connection for streaming videos. If it did not work as well, if it was not reliable, it would be neither convenient nor popular.

Wired networks are a choice that anyone should be able to make if they saw any real need for one; running ethernet cable is hardly difficult. Wiring speakers in a surround sound setup can take more effort.

I have already tested both wired and wireless networks and I did so for more than a year. There was no difference whatsoever when streaming videos to several devices. I left the ethernet cabling in place and I have elected to keep my TVs connected by ethernet cable because the "work" of running all that wire has been done. It saves me the trouble of typing in my wifi password on the new TV. Yeah, I can be that lazy.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

There is no "them", it is just the same misinformed person stubbornly parroting the same debunked crap over and over again. Repeating a fallacy is not debating; there is no reasoning involved in it.

If I kept telling everyone that the moon was made of green cheese, would I be debating the composition of the moon or I would I just be an unrelenting fool?

That was obviously a dig at me, I’m used to it!

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by rui no onna

Link speed isn't quite the same as throughput.

Searched for real world test and did not find much info. CenturyLink says 210 Mbps - 1 G for AC. One of these days I may do a file transfer speed comparison between HDD to HDD, HDD to HDD over LAN and HDD to HDD over Wi-Fi.

If you looked at the PDF of my LAN you would see most of my stuff is 1000Base-T wired with shielded cable. Couple of reasons for wired, some of it does not have Wi-Fi, the Oppo UDP-203 and Sony UBP-X1000ES are 19" EIA rack mounted therefore can not use the built-in Wi-Fi. The Oppo UDP-203 has a 1000Base-T connection negating the need for AC Wi-Fi. Also, I make all my own cables, except HDMI, have professional grade crimping, striping, testing, soldering tools.