List of UHDs that contain HDR10+

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The man from Del Sony, he say "no": http://www.techradar.com/news/heres-...ivals-to-hdr10

Not able to leave comments on the article - someone needs to tell the article's author that the formats are NOT exactly the same minus royalties, namely 12-bit support and the "golden reference" data.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Not able to leave comments on the article - someone needs to tell the article's author that the formats are NOT exactly the same minus royalties, namely 12-bit support and the "golden reference" data.

Dolby has thrown the "golden reference" out of the window, they've abandoned it for "Dolby Vision Calibration 2.0" which puts the TV into a gamma 2.2 space at peak brightness to allow for conventional calibration and then they note the relevant brightness/colour information. This data is then saved as a reference file and loaded into the TV to work as that display's specific "Dolby" reference.

[edit] One would hope that in the future Dolby allows this process to be more open-ended, it's exactly what we do as calibrators anyway only with the added step of loading the calibrated data back into the TV, rather than simply adjusting the settings during calibration and leaving them there. I know they'd prefer to maintain the mystique but it's not gonna last much longer, they might as well admit defeat and let us adjust the settings as we see fit, letting the dynamic metadata fall where it may.

[TheSweetieMan]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The man from Del Sony, he say "no": http://www.techradar.com/news/heres-...ivals-to-hdr10

Dude, Sony.

Yes.

One of the few companies, that I feel stay genuinely transparent with their consumers, which is a rarity in the days of electronics evolving rapidly by the second.

Hats off to them for not overcomplicating the format, and sticking with their commitment to Dolby Vision.

[Staying Salty]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

[edit] One would hope that in the future Dolby allows this process to be more open-ended, it's exactly what we do as calibrators anyway only with the added step of loading the calibrated data back into the TV, rather than simply adjusting the settings during calibration and leaving them there. I know they'd prefer to maintain the mystique but it's not gonna last much longer, they might as well admit defeat and let us adjust the settings as we see fit, letting the dynamic metadata fall where it may.

Originally Posted by Staying Salty

[Show spoiler] I think the TVs should have a “MY Dolby Vision” mode which allows any and all changes. This way the customer can make the perfect Dolby Vision Picture.

I am somewhat serious.

I believe there will be one of 4 options the user will do:

1. Out of the box settings.

2. User adjusted settings.

3. Professional calibrated settings.

4. Technicolor mode. This currently applies to the LG displays. It provides more “Pop” to the picture, even Dolby Vision. Since a lot of users like Vivid etc., I believe this will be used a lot. I can see LG setting the default to this so they can get more Pop when displayed in stores.

[Geoff D]

Well, Sony can keep to the pre-loaded 'Dolby Vision Light' or 'Dark' or 'Mmmm, just right' modes but now that the "golden reference" has been proved to be hogwash (as you yourself told us, we just didn't see it at the time) they surely HAVE to let users adjust the settings in greater detail otherwise you're basically looking at uncalibrated colour and greyscale. Sure, you'll get all the highlights properly mapped or whatever but I would genuinely put accurate colour & greyscale over accurate highlights at this point in time.

It's ironic that people's first assumptions (when DV was first being discussed a few years back) was that Dolby Vision would basically act like a primo calibration for your TV right out of the box, but now the DoVi mode(s) does actually need calibrating just like any other common-or-garden scene select would do. If the DoVi controls on the ZD9 lock out any greyscale adjustments then I might try going into the service mode on the TV and adjust the white balance in there on a global level, the SDR and HDR cals are virtually identical so it'd be fine to apply it in that way.

[Staying Salty]

Originally Posted by gadgtfreek;AVS

LOL, you do realize you still need a white balance cal right? I get it's great they added something like a THX mode, where the LUT has good math to tune in colors, or colors that look better, whatever they did, you can still never win against panel variation with white balance though. This is what Dolby learned when they were first gonna do an average file, or golden reference, and then later punted and now are allowing you to access and load a cal file into the DV mapping engine.

So sure, you have accurate color, you still need a cal. Let's not act like like it is anything more. Also, a good chance the expanded LUT in the 2018's is better than that mode after cal.

For every video standard, there is a calibration standard, Technicolor Tuned has nothing to do with it. If you are so enamored with accuracy, you need to hire one of the professionals here and let them cal the tv, instead of selling an OOTB mode.

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[Pyoko]

More control is always good, but I'd rather have control of the tone-mapping outside of DV. I'd love to be able to control the tone-mapping in greater detail like at what point it should clip, how deep the highlight compression should go, choose whether to use or ignore metadata etc. I hate that manufacturers are always so afraid of advanced options like this.

Right now I have two options for HDR10: normal mode which has the potential to tone-map the hell out of the content, reducing the HDRiness way more than necessary, or use the active HDR which saves some highlights from drowning (though not quite as much as DV) but then inexplicably puts normal light-level scenes into torch mode making it pretty much unusable... This is why DV is absolutely necessary for OLED.

Glad Sony is going with DV, that means the highest quality UHDs will likely be even higher quality. Shame about all those potential Warner titles, but they're the worst of the bunch anyway quality-wise, so not as big of a loss.

[TheSweetieMan]

Dolby Labs wants consumers to enjoy both Dolby Vision AND HDR10+

Really awesome and interesting read.

There's no format war. At least not on Dolby's end. They have no issue with HDR10+, but they still hold belief that Dolby Vision has a better end-to-end process (they're not wrong)--but I like that they are taking the high road, and don't want consumers feeling overwhelmed by all of these formats existing.

[Pyoko]

They can say there's no war, but the end result for consumers is somewhat similar anyway. Until equipment that supports both becomes ubiquitous you might have to choose which content to watch in a sub-optimal manner (or just deal with it if you're already invested.)

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

Dolby Labs wants consumers to enjoy both Dolby Vision AND HDR10+

Really awesome and interesting read.

There's no format war. At least not on Dolby's end. They have no issue with HDR10+, but they still hold belief that Dolby Vision has a better end-to-end process (they're not wrong)--but I like that they are taking the high road, and don't want consumers feeling overwhelmed by all of these formats existing.

The most damning part of this excellent but brief article is that Samsung's HDR10+ dynamic metadata is created only by an algorithm, not colorists or editors, meaning real people with professional grading eyes.

Yes, the algorithm will be created by people, but how trained is the "eye" of the program compared to the complex decisions by trained professionals? We will have to see how the quality plays out on the HDR10+ encoded movies, but I'm quite satisfied to have put my "eggs" in the DV basket with a Sony display and Oppo player. Not worried if my current set-up never gets 10+, although the two components are really both top-end selections. Those with HDR-lite sets or under 800 nits sets will still be worried about HDR10+ the most me thinks.

Regular HDR10 looks great so far usually on my Sony, although I have been fairly selective with only 84 4K movies in my collection so far. I even got a couple for as low as $8 a piece during Best Buy promo linked sales, so double dips haven't really broken the bank on quite a few buys.

[LoSouL]

Yeah, you really don't need to worry about any of it if your TV can get you there without it.

[BrownianMotion]

I guess Hisense has decided to support HDR10+: https://www.avforums.com/video/ces-2...d-4k-tvs.14471

They're claiming 2500 nits of peak brightness and and 90% coverage of Rec2020.

[legends of beyond]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

I guess Hisense has decided to support HDR10+: https://www.avforums.com/video/ces-2...d-4k-tvs.14471

They're claiming 2500 nits of peak brightness and and 90% coverage of Rec2020.

They're also claiming 1,000 zones. If that's true, than this is even more powerful than the Z9D. IF that's true.

[BrownianMotion]

Originally Posted by legends of beyond

They're also claiming 1,000 zones. If that's true, than this is even more powerful than the Z9D. IF that's true.

It can have all the top notch specs in the world. At the end of the day, it's still a Hisense. It's not going to be anywhere close to the Z9D.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

the DoVi (catchy, that)

You liked that particular acronym.
Rather than DV, it’s actually been quite popular for months among the compressionists in professional groups like on linkedin. I feared if I were to use it before, instead of the easily understood/common ‘DV’, it would confuse folks on hobbyist forums.

[Aidenag]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

I guess Hisense has decided to support HDR10+: https://www.avforums.com/video/ces-2...d-4k-tvs.14471

They're claiming 2500 nits of peak brightness and and 90% coverage of Rec2020.

Damn, thats a huge endorsement, hisense is on board. With a brand that well reputed and with its market domination this has tipped the scales with no turning back....all they need now is insignia or magnavox and its unstoppable.

[philochs]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

I guess Hisense has decided to support HDR10+: https://www.avforums.com/video/ces-2...d-4k-tvs.14471

They're claiming 2500 nits of peak brightness and and 90% coverage of Rec2020.

But they used to have Dolby Vision, right? So now the new 2018 models are HDR10+ instead of Dolby Vision? Maybe their highest-end model will have both, but I guess not.

[EbonDragon]

Originally Posted by Aidenag

Damn, thats a huge endorsement, hisense is on board. With a brand that well reputed and with its market domination this has tipped the scales with no turning back....all they need now is insignia or magnavox and its unstoppable.

You forgot Westinghouse.

[TheSweetieMan]

Originally Posted by EbonDragon

You forgot Westinghouse.

Don't forget the renowned commodity of Element.

[DanBa]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

I guess Hisense has decided to support HDR10+: https://www.avforums.com/video/ces-2...d-4k-tvs.14471

They're claiming 2500 nits of peak brightness and and 90% coverage of Rec2020.

The Hisense U7 & U9 only support Dolby Vision and HDR10 according to PRNewswire.
https://twitter.com/DanielBa78/statu...77412757254144