Sony UBP-X700 4K UHD Blu-ray player

[ninfan81]

Originally Posted by Derekforeals

So if I am reading all of this correctly, if I have an LG DV TV; I shouldn't depend on the x700 as my player of choice? It may not decode DV correctly as my LG tv has the full DV profile?

How do I check if my TV has the full DV profile? I have an LG UH8500 and I just ordered the x700 through Amazon today. Should I return the x700 and get the LG up970 instead?

Or do we just have to wait and see until the the x700 receives its firmware update?

Any insights?

In theory you should be fine. Sony TVs will have low latency Dolby Vision, which means UHD players from LG and Oppo will have to perform specific tasks for the Sony TV to have functioning Dolby Vision. The Sony player should in theory support Dolby Vision on all tvs. If the x700 only supports Dolby Vision on Sony tvs you would have a problem, but in my opinion that seems unlikely.

[JohnCarpenterLives]

Does anyone know if there's expected to be a difference in DV-Lite performance/ quality vs. the full profile?

[jibucha]

'any' current display that has the 'full standard file' Dolby Vision is incompatable with the new (unique to Sony) 'low-latency profile'

the only product that works with both 'versions' currently is the Apple TV 4K (recently updated to have support)

smart move :: if you have the LG (Dolby Vision) just get the LG UP-970

yes :: return it :: the Sony UBP-X700 (Dolby Vision) is 'incompatible' (it will always be so - apparently - i would not risk it - i did with the Sony UBP-X800, with many disappointments/regrets - apparently, it's a Sony to Sony 'only' solution)

note :: if your LG has Dolby Vision support :: it is the 'full Dolby Vision profile'


regretfully :: Sony (low-latency profile - Dolby Vision) is as Samsung (HDR10+) in that 'both' have 'unique requirements that are incompatible otherwise ('they live in their own world)

Originally Posted by Derekforeals

So if I am reading all of this correctly, if I have an LG DV TV; I shouldn't depend on the x700 as my player of choice? It may not decode DV correctly as my LG tv has the full DV profile?

How do I check if my TV has the full DV profile? I have an LG UH8500 and I just ordered the x700 through Amazon today. Should I return the x700 and get the LG up970 instead?

Or do we just have to wait and see until the the x700 receives its firmware update?

Any insights?

[jibucha]

no :: neither the LG or Oppo players support the 'low-level profile' Dolby Vision, therefore, neither will work with Sony 'low-latency profile' Dolby Vision displays

note :: available information indicates that Oppo will (later) with a firmware update

note :: the Sony (special implementation) 'low-latency profile' Dolby Vision is specific/unique to Sony to Sony (only)

exception :: the Apple TV 4K (latest update) which originally supported the original 'full-profile' Dolby Vision, now also supports the 'low-latency profile' Dolby Vision (Sony)

Sony UBP-X700 :: will not function on 'full-profile' displays; they are incompatible with 'low-latency profile' players

regretfully :: Sony (low-latency profile - Dolby Vision) is as Samsung (HDR10+) in that 'both' have 'unique requirements that are incompatible otherwise ('they live in their own world)

Originally Posted by ninfan81

In theory you should be fine. Sony TVs will have low latency Dolby Vision, which means UHD players from LG and Oppo will have to perform specific tasks for the Sony TV to have functioning Dolby Vision. The Sony player should in theory support Dolby Vision on all tvs. If the x700 only supports Dolby Vision on Sony tvs you would have a problem, but in my opinion that seems unlikely.

[jibucha]

what does this mean?

simply :: the Sony UBP-X700 will 'only work with Sony displays with the X1 Extreme processor (firmware updated)

furthermore, to be clear, it will not work with original 'full-profile' Dolby Vision displays (unless those displays also (firmware updates) separately have support for the 'low-latency profile' (Sony - unique - profile)

at this point in time :: it's unclear if other display manufacturers will provide this support (just so a Sony/unique player can be used with their displays) :: time will tell

[ninfan81]

Originally Posted by jibucha

no :: neither the LG or Oppo players support the 'low-level profile' Dolby Vision, therefore, neither will work with Sony 'low-latency profile' Dolby Vision displays

note :: available information indicates that Oppo will (later) with a firmware update

note :: the Sony (special implementation) 'low-latency profile' Dolby Vision is specific/unique to Sony to Sony (only)

exception :: the Apple TV 4K (latest update) which originally supported the original 'full-profile' Dolby Vision, now also supports the 'low-latency profile' Dolby Vision (Sony)

Sony UBP-X700 :: will not function on 'full-profile' displays; they are incompatible with 'low-latency profile' players

regretfully :: Sony (low-latency profile - Dolby Vision) is as Samsung (HDR10+) in that 'both' have 'unique requirements that are incompatible otherwise ('they live in their own world)

Wow... I was under the impression that the x700 would support low latency AND full profile. My apologies if I was misinformed.

[jibucha]

no need for apology :: we're all in a learning mode regarding this nonsense (Sony :: 'special profile' - 'out of nowhere')

note :: i expect more to this issue as time progresses and information evolves (best of luck to us all)

note :: actually, it makes no sense that it does not, but that is what the current information is according to a few with the player on these various forums (it was my intention to purchase one and try it with the LG OLED 55C7P, but regret i am loosing interest in the player, especially as it is not with 'out of the box' support for Dolby Vision (as Sony represented it at CES 2018) requiring a later firmware update (perhaps Sony will consider/realize the need to support both profiles by the time that they do provide this firmware update - time will tell - as it currently is; it does not support the original full profile - shocking actually and disappointing)

Originally Posted by ninfan81

Wow... I was under the impression that the x700 would support low latency AND full profile. My apologies if I was misinformed.

[kurtis21]

Does anyone know if the X700 will have Dolby Vision with Sony projectors? Say like the VPL-VW385ES? Because that's what I have Lol!!

[Robert Zohn]

Love your projector, but sorry to say it's not Dolby Vision capable.

[kurtis21]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Love your projector, but sorry to say it's not Dolby Vision capable.

Ok thanks Robert. Could it ever be compatible through a firmware update or no?

[Robert Zohn]

I don't think Sony has plans to upgrade the VW385ES for Dolby Vision HDR.

You're are missing much as the VW385ES processor looks at every frame's peak luminance and tone maps the peak luminance values to the projectors capability. Sony's HDR10/HLG tone mapping algorithm works very much like DV so you get the added benefit of more precise tone mapping on all HDR content.

With the 1500 peak lumens ability of the VW385ES you will get best HDR results by designing the room to be absent of light and reduce all reflections of light. The best way to accomplish this is to wrap the room with black duvatyne fabric. This is critical for the ceiling and three walls up to about 4' around the screen.

Since I see you have a CineScope aspect ratio screen the last upgrade you can do to enhance HDR is to buy an anamorphic lens. One of the benefits of an anamorphic lens is to condense the projectors light to the Scope aspect ratio. Without an anamorphic lens you are throwing away about 25% of the projector's light output.

[kurtis21]

Thank you for the very detailed reply Robert! I was just curious...trust me...I am not in any way disappointed because this projector's picture is simply breathtaking!!! I couldn't be happier with it! My theater is completely dark...with flat black ceiling and screen wall. The HDR looks amazing in my opinion!!

I have been contemplating an anamorphic lens...but right now i just use the lens memory feature for scope movies. That looks great because the blacks are so deep wiyh this projector. I do realize that i'm wasting a little resolution...but I can't tell to be honest with you! It looks that good to me!

[Ubertrout]

So, as someone who has a LG OLED TV, and who plays DVD-Audio discs with some regularity, Sony went in completely the wrong direction for me? I'd be better off dusting off the Oppo 93 I put in the closet after getting the X800 and just getting a cheap UHD disc spinner to complement, as I understand it.

[RalphoR]

Fyi to add to the list of compatible 4k players I spoke with Cambridge as I have their CXUHD and they are also doing a DV firmware update to work with Sony tvs.

[Derekforeals]

Well I just canceled my order from Amazon. I also emailed Sony about the x700 and profile compatibility. Let's see if they get back to me. I am considering the LG 970 so I will head to that forum to see if the players new build dates are still making loud noises. Hopefully they have been able to iron that out with the newer players.

I'm just looking for a player that can do DV... too much to ask? The Oppo is out of my budget!

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Cambridge and OPPO are the near $600-$1300 DV Capable Disc Players. Neither likes to be undone by the other.

Have anyone heard of DV Disc Player commonly sold for under $200 to do the FW to play DV on Sony TV's?

[nekromantik]

hold up...anyone actually have a source that states X700 will be DV Low Latency ONLY?
They did not mention such a thing at CES nor did they on product spec.
I will keep mine until I get proof that it will not support standard DV profile.
Makes no sense for Sony to do that as it reduces the amount of customers they are selling too.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Sony once said x800 will not have DV. LORDY. They kept to those words.

Now Sony have only said their x700 needs connect to Sony Low Latency DV Profile TV's.

I remembered vividly I waited for x800 for near a year to get DV FW. I hoped. I hoped. I hoped. And read most x800 forums for DV coming clues.

Are we to Hope Hope x700 will get both DV Profiles too. When Sony saids x700 needs Low Latency DV Profiled TV.

How many months x700 for waiting, hoping is reasonable?
Whats a good number.

hold up...anyone actually have a source that states X700 will be DV Low Latency ONLY?
They did not mention such a thing at CES nor did they on product spec.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

The Sony DV TV FW came out after CES!! which was held Jan 9-12th.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc...owners-fuming/

Thats when peoples all over and Sony realized that Low Latency DV Profile will be needed. Even Sony

[nekromantik]

Originally Posted by E6AtmosVuduDV

The Sony DV TV FW came out after CES!! which was held Jan 9-12th.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc...owners-fuming/

Thats when peoples all over and Sony realized that Low Latency DV Profile will be needed. Even Sony

....thats for Sony TVs.
They realized they cant support full profile on the A1 chips which means they need to support a new profile.
This does not mean Sony will simply reduce the number of people buying x700. Both LG and Oppo have full DV profile working on a player so Sony will need to support both versions. Makes no financial sense to only support Sony TVs.
Until Sony announce the x700 only supports low latency this is spreading false news. There is no reason why the player cant support both.