Doctor Who: The Collection Season 12 • Tom Baker Season 1 - Limited Edition

[CouncilSpectre]

Originally Posted by Bobbyjoe766

The UK release may have the same audio issue as the US set. Check out the Roobarb’s DVD Forum - Doctor Who on DVD/Blu-ray sub-forum - page 81 of the season 12 Blu-ray set thread.*

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Seeing as not everyone is:

Originally Posted by Ed Stradling

I've seen them. The Sontaran Experiment part 1 sounded fine to me, but it depends on the default sound settings on your system. Mark talked me through them on the phone, and the issue is there, same as in the USA. Whether you notice it or not will depend on (1) your sound settings and (2) how well your ears are attuned to these things.

[HarrySullivan]

Originally Posted by Fnord Prefect

I've a feeling this'll be quality controlled to death, chances of it making onto the market with authoring/manufacturing errors is pretty remote.

Don't want to say I told you so, but....

They really need to announce a replacement disc scheme PDQ. That would perhaps help save some Season 12 sales from being cancelled, and maybe more importantly it would bolster confidence in the range going forward.

[MrChristoph]

Originally Posted by Darby1985

Umm....there's no TARDIS set in Season 12 at all. When a reviewer just makes one part of the review up completely, kinda means you can't take their word for any of it.

The extras breakdown seems to have a few errors as well

• On Target: Terrance Dicks (1080i; 21:28) is another really interesting "backstage" piece documenting the writer and some of the ideas he provided to the series. Isn't this specifically about the target novels rather than his work on the series?
• Built for War (480i; 39:37) looks at some of the admittedly goofy aspects of this story, including some of the outlandish characters. This is actually a retrospective of all the Sontaran stories.

The section dedicated to Baker's pre-Who work is actually as longer than the main review of the episodes, (which is almost entirely about the low budget effects) and there are only screenshots from Robot and Ark. You'd think that a few screenshots of the film sequences would be included.

[Darby1985]

Originally Posted by MrChristoph

The extras breakdown seems to have a few errors as well

• On Target: Terrance Dicks (1080i; 21:28) is another really interesting "backstage" piece documenting the writer and some of the ideas he provided to the series. Isn't this specifically about the target novels rather than his work on the series?
• Built for War (480i; 39:37) looks at some of the admittedly goofy aspects of this story, including some of the outlandish characters. This is actually a retrospective of all the Sontaran stories.

The section dedicated to Baker's pre-Who work is actually as longer than the main review of the episodes, (which is almost entirely about the low budget effects) and there are only screenshots from Robot and Ark. You'd think that a few screenshots of the film sequences would be included.

It's almost like the reviewer didn't watch it and patched their review together from guessing and googling. Hmmm.

[thecooldud]

Almost.
"Outlandish characters"... in The Sontaran Experiment? Really?

I'm almost embarrassed for the reviewer.

[Fnord Prefect]

Originally Posted by MrChristoph

• On Target: Terrance Dicks (1080i; 21:28) is another really interesting "backstage" piece documenting the writer and some of the ideas he provided to the series. Isn't this specifically about the target novels rather than his work on the series?

Nope. It's about Terrance Dicks' and his contribution, both as writer and commissioner, to the Target Books line.

[Martoto]

The review for the US set has a glaring omission.

Nowhere does it explain that Elizabeth Sladen is absolutely adorable.

A shocking oversight.

[unicron73]

had an email from ZOOM saying my set has been dispatched.
so should get it saturday/monday

[Dene]

Originally Posted by Fnord Prefect

Nope. It's about Terrance Dicks' and his contribution, both as writer and commissioner, to the Target Books line.

You say nope, but isn't that exactly what MrChristoph said?

[Fnord Prefect]

Originally Posted by Dene

You say nope, but isn't that exactly what MrChristoph said?

Once again gin, late(ish) nights and forum posting after an 11 hour shift at work prove a lethal mix...

[Dante20161]

unicron, my order has been sent to the warehouse, hopefully get mine by saturday, you might get yours by friday you never know, I think my thor ragnorok order came on a friday I think

[mar3o]

So I'm guessing then that the UK set will have the same audio issue with The Sontaran Experiment as the US set? That's not a great way to start things off. At least if we heard an explanation. If it's unavoidable due to source materials, I can understand it. If it's a screw-up, it should be fixed.

[CouncilSpectre]

The UK set will have the audio issue, but not the missing subtitles.

From Steve Roberts:

The problem is a polarity reversal of one channel of the audio. When one speaker cone is pushing out, the other is pulling in. Instead of centring the audio midway between the speakers, it throws it completely out into wide stereo. It might sound acceptable on a TV depending on your setup, but if you try to listen on headphones, it will probably make you feel ill (I'm not kidding).

Because surround information is encoded as phase differences, if you listen on a surround setup, all of the sound will come from the rear speakers. If you try to mitigate this by doing something like switching your system to All Speaker Mono, you'll get silence, because the amplifier adds together the left and right channels to create a mono channel before sending it out to each speaker. Because the two channels are completely out of phase, adding the two together completely cancels out the signal, producing silence. There is no good way to fix this, save listening in stereo mode and unplugging your left hand speaker and moving your right hand speaker to be in front of the TV.

[duggie walker]

Originally Posted by CouncilSpectre

The UK set will have the audio issue, but not the missing subtitles.

From Steve Roberts:

Doctor Who Supercut - Reverse the Polarity - YouTube

[RetroAlarm]

Originally Posted by unicron73

had an email from ZOOM saying my set has been dispatched.
so should get it saturday/monday

I just got one too. Looking forward to watching it.

[CouncilSpectre]

Originally Posted by unicron73

had an email from ZOOM saying my set has been dispatched.
so should get it saturday/monday

Got my notification too. Zoom releases, for me usually get here the next day, or latest the day after that. This is looking good for a weekend viewing!

[Dante20161]

I got my dispatch email as well

[Babu93]

Originally Posted by HarrySullivan

Don't want to say I told you so, but....

Anyone who went through the Day of the Doctor sound fiasco knows this all too well. It's the consistency of the incompetence I find most impressive.

There's a reason I held off on my pre-order.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by CouncilSpectre

The UK set will have the audio issue, but not the missing subtitles.

From Steve Roberts:

So maybe I'm misunderstanding this, but can they correct this? It says we can't correct this in our own setups, but can the studio fix this? If not, was this on the old DVDs? If they can fix it, then why won't they? This needs to be addressed.

In fact, why is it not being corrected for the UK market before they ship them out, if they know about the problem now?

[malcy30]

Originally Posted by mar3o

So maybe I'm misunderstanding this, but can they correct this? It says we can't correct this in our own setups, but can the studio fix this? If not, was this on the old DVDs? If they can fix it, then why won't they? This needs to be addressed.

In fact, why is it not being corrected for the UK market before they ship them out, if they know about the problem now?

It can be fixed as the DVD didn’t have this audio error.

I guess the issue was the BDs had been replicated and the sets were in the supply chain before the error was spotted. Pity no one with the American set pointed it out as that is what delayed the UK release to fix the subtitle fault.

Of course the BBC can fix the fault if they want to. However if they do then as with faulty Doctor Who titles in the past they will make you mail in the affected disks to swap for a new one. They don’t do a recall on product out in retail, so it’s up to you to know there is a fault and if they do an exchange programme.

Given this is a limited edition they have probably pressed all the product they expect to so no point waiting to see if a repress fixes it.

You could always waited for the rumoured Australian release and import that assuming they go back and fix the masters to any future release or new pressings are okay.