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Please discuss your Acoustic Audio (The Deep Discount) subwoofers in this thread. You can include pictures, reviews, or any other comments regarding your subwoofer.
Website (Sold Exclusively by The Deep Discount): Subwoofers | Home Speakers | Home Theater | TheDeepDiscount.com Ebay Store:
Manual for All Acoustic Audio Subwoofers: http://www.acousticaudiodirect.com./...Sub_Manual.pdf Please register your subwoofer within 10 days of purchase for warranty to be valid. Also, since the price includes free shipping, you may be responsible for shipping if you decide to send the subwoofer back. SUBWOOFERS HD-SUB10, 10", Front Firing, 300 Watts (RMS), 600 Watts (Max), $168.88 + Free Shipping
RW-Sub 8, 8", Black, Down Firing, 150 Watts (RMS), 300 (Max), $99.99 + Free Shipping PSW-10, 10", Black, Down Firing, 200 Watts (RMS), 400 (Max), $118.88 + Free Shipping RW-Sub 10, 10", Black, Down Firing, 200 Watts (RMS), 400 (Max), $119.99 + Free Shipping PSW-12, 12", Black, Down Firing, 250 Watts (RMS), 500 (Max), $148.88 + Free Shipping RW-Sub 12, 12", Black, Down Firing, 250 Watts (RMS), 500 (Max), $149.99 + Free Shipping PSW-15, 15", Black, Down Firing, 300 Watts (RMS), 600 (Max), $188.88 + Free Shipping RW-SUB 15, 15", Black, Down Firing, 300 Watts (RMS), 600 (Max), $189.99 + Free Shipping RW-SUB 15 LIST OF OWNERS OF ACOUSTIC AUDIO SUBWOOFERS
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http://stores.channeladvisor.com/the...ers/Subwoofers, $88.88 + Free Shipping
I recently bought an 8" and a 12" Acoustic Audio subwoofers from Deep Discount for a total cost of $287.76 + Free Shipping. I bought the 12" sub for my sister and the 8" sub for my daughter. They had asked me to build them one. After doing some research, I realized that it would be a lot more costly and time consuming to build a subwoofer. I had very low expectations and had every intention to replace the drivers and upgrade these subs. They arrived after 5 days with UPS ground. I opened the 8" sub box first and discovered the cutest little subwoofer that I had ever seen. I examined it very carefully and it looked like a very high quality and well-made sub. It is a ported and down-firing sub. I moved it to my home theater room, disconnected all the other subs and hooked up the little monster. After playing some test tones for half an hour, I decided to play a few Blu-ray movies. It shocked the hell out of me. The little monster was capable of outputting decent bass. I turned the volume up on the back of the sub, and it continued to play loud bass without distorting. For $88.88, this is a great buy. It is ideal for a small office or bedroom. Buy four of them and your HT room will be converted to a high-end cinema. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() SPECIFICATIONS Designed and Engineered in USA Power Output: 150 Watts RMS to 300 Watts Dynamic Power Woofer: 8 Inch Down-Firing Long Throw Subwoofer High Rigidity PVA Treated Cone Dual Linear Ports Frequency Response: 26Hz - 250Hz Bass Level / Gain Control Line-Level and Speaker-Level Inputs Variable Low Pass Frequency Crossover: 40 - 130 Hz Efficiency / Sensitivity: 97dB @ 1 watt 1 meter Built-in Digital Drive High Efficiency Amplifier Cabinet Design: Advanced RFL Bass Reflex Cabinet Finish: Black Ash Cabinet Material: High-Density MDF Dimensions: 9.45 × 10.24 × 13.86 Inches 2 Year Parts and Labor Warranty Suggested Retail Price: $379.99 Last edited by Big Daddy; 04-29-2009 at 04:52 AM. |
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Acoustic Audio HD-SUB12, 12" Powered Subwoofer, $198.88 + Free Shipping
Next, I opened the 12" sub box. My jaw dropped when I discovered the most beatiful cherry-colored cabinet. Immediately, I realized that this definitely has a high WAF appeal. It has the most gorgeous white driver and a high-end looking amplifier. For a few minutes, I looked at the sub and appreciated its beauty. Can it perform as well as it looks? I took it to the home theater room, disconnected all other subwoofers and connected the new sub. I am not exaggerating. This thing can sound loud without distortion. I turned it up a little to test its tolerance. It scared me as I thought I was going to have a heart attack. Immediately, I decided that my sister can wait. This sub stays right here where it belongs. I ordered another one for her. I am so impressed with this new sub that I am willing to buy 4 of these for less than $800 and put each at the corner or the middle of each wall. APPEARANCE ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() FREQUENCY RESPONSE I decided to measure the frequency response of the HD-Sub 12 subwoofer. Unfortunately, a home theater room is not the best place for this type of measurements. The frequency response changes quite a bit in different locations in the room. I am also aware that the Audyssey calibration program has tweaked the subwoofer's frequency, but I am not trying to win the Nobel prize. Who wants to live in an anechoic chamber? ![]() ![]() I took a few measurements and finally decided to take the readings about 3 ft (≈ 1 meter) directly in front of the subwoofer. I turned the volume on the back of the subwoofer to the middle (50% point) and turned the subwoofer’s gain in the receiver to zero. The receiver's volume was intentionally set high in the 90dB range so that the measurements are calculated more accurately in case of weak sound output at some frequencies. All the other speakers and subwoofers in the room were turned off. I played Rives Audio’s Test CD-2 test tones and measured the levels of the sound outputs at different frequencies with my Radio Shack Digital SPL Meter. At 25 Hz, the whole room, including all the furniture started vibrating like a real earthquake. ![]() I recorded the SPL numbers and then plotted SPL in dB’s versus frequency in Hertz using Microsoft Excel. The following graph demonstrates the results. ![]() The subwoofer performs very well in the low and middle frequencies. After this point, the sound output begins to drop significantly. The reason is because the maximum level on the crossover network on the back of the subwoofer is set at 130Hz. ![]() ![]() CONSTRUCTION I opened my Acoustic Audio HD-Sub 12 subwoofer. ![]() There is nothing special inside the subwoofer. Like most other subwoofers, the cabinet is made of 3/4" MDF wood with a layer of poly-fill on the inside walls. After I examined it thoroughly, I added some more poly-fill to it. ![]() Here is a picture of the 12" driver. The wires are soldered for added security so that they don't come loose. ![]() This is a picture of the amplifier. Unfortunately or I should say fortunately, it is completely taped up and you cannot see anything. ![]() SPECIFICATIONS Cabinet Finish: Cherry, Light Maple, or Black Designed and Engineered in USA Certified High Definition Power Output: 400 Watts Nominal RMS to 800 Watts Maximum Woofer: 12 Inch Front-Firing Long Throw Driver Complex Fiberglass Cone Aluminum Voice Coil Former Parabolic RFL Voice Coil CEA Cooling Technology Vented and Extended Pole Piece Low Carbon Top and Bottom Plate Rear Slotted Bass Port Frequency Response: 20Hz-250Hz Bass Level / Gain Control Line-Level and Speaker-Level Inputs Line-Level and Speaker-Level Outputs for Adding Additional Subwoofers Variable Low Pass Frequency Crossover: 40Hz-130Hz Efficiency / Sensitivity: 99dB @ 1 watt/1 meter Built-in Digital Drive High Efficiency Amplifier Auto-On Signal Sensing Switch Cabinet Design: Advanced RFL Bass Reflex Cabinet Material: High-Density MDF Grilles are Included Dimensions (W x D x H): 14.9 x 15.5 x 17.4 Inches 3 Year Parts and Labor Warranty Shipping Weight: 47 lbs Suggested Retail Price: $699.99 This is the high Definition series sub from Acoustic Audio. Deep Discount sells other 8", 10", 12", and 15" Acoustic Audio subwoofers that are cheaper. IMPORTANT CONSIDERATIONS
REVIEWS OF OTHER ACOUSTIC AUDIO SUBWOOFERS The following review of Acoustic Audio HD-SUB10 is done by JJxiv1215: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=415 https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...07#post1841007 REPLACING THE DRIVER OF THE HD-SUB12 SUBWOOFER As you can see in the picture above, the driver of the HD-SUB12 is quite attractive. I decided to do some experiments. I ordered the e3.12 from Elemental Designs for $125 + Free Shipping. This driver is used in the ED A2-300 subwoofers. I replaced the original driver of the HD-SUB12 with the ED driver. When I took the AA driver out, I realized that there were several problems. Read the details in Post #399 of DIY Subwoofer/Speaker Building, Repairing, & Upgrading. This is a picture of the sub with the new driver. ![]() I ran the Rives Audio test tones through the modified sub. To my surprise, it hardly produced any sound at 20Hz. My SPL meter registered 68dB. At 25Hz, the sound was louder around 87dB and they were louder after that. These are the overall responses at 1 meter (3.3ft) in my room: 20Hz, 68dB 25Hz, 87dB 31.5Hz, 97dB 40Hz, 97dB 50Hz, 88dB 63Hz, 92dB 80Hz, 94dB 100Hz, 92dB 125Hz, 92dB This is the plot of SPL versus frequency. ![]() You should not look at the absolute numbers in the above diagrams, but rather at the relative numbers. I intentionally drove the new ED driver a little lower because I was afraid of doing damage to something new and unfamiliar. Overall, I liked the performance of the new driver and am happy with it, but the original Acoustic Audio driver played much louder at 20Hz. ADDITIONAL MEASUREMENTS Last night (August 3, 2009), I ran test tones again to measure the output of the HD-SUB12 subwoofer. I took the measurements about 4 feet away and changed the level on the back of the sub and the receiver's volume. The gain for the sub in the receiver was held constant at zero. Case 1. Sub level: 50%, Receiver Gain: 0, Receiver Volume: -15dB 20Hz, 74dB 25Hz, 92dB 31.5HZ, 99dB 40Hz, 98dB 50Hz, 92dB 63Hz, 92dB 80Hz, 97dB 100Hz, 86dB 125Hz, 81dB This is the graph: ![]() Case 2. Sub level: 75%, Receiver Gain: 0, Receiver Volume: -15dB 20Hz, 80dB 25Hz, 98dB 31.5HZ, 100dB 40Hz, 105dB 50Hz, 98dB 63Hz, 98dB 80Hz, 104dB 100Hz, 94dB 125Hz, 87dB This is the graph: ![]() Case 3. Sub level: 50%, Receiver Gain: 0, Receiver Volume: 0dB 20Hz, 94dB 25Hz, 101dB 31.5HZ, 101dB 40Hz, 108dB 50Hz, 105dB 63Hz, 104dB 80Hz, 105dB 100Hz, 96dB 125Hz, 92dB This is the graph: ![]() Last edited by Big Daddy; 03-21-2011 at 12:04 AM. |
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Buy the 12" sub. The difference in price is small and you will be happier in the long run. If you don't like boring black cabinet, buy cherry or maple.
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It looks like the HD series are front firing, a bit more expensive, and they come in three colors. The Audiophile Series are slightly cheaper, down-firing, and the cabinets are black only. |
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What kind of extension and ouptut where you able to get ? Did they meet the stated specs ?
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I have three other subwoofers in my home theater room. Two of them are 12" Hsu vintage subwoofers that I had upgraded with enhanced drivers. The other one is an old 15" DBX subwoofer that I rebuilt with a very powerful driver. All three are passive. I use the Cinepro amplifier to send 700 watts into each one of the modified Hsu subwoofers. The 15" subwoofer is powered by a 1,500 watt powerful Carver amplifier. In addition, my two Definitive Technology speakers have 15" powered subwoofers inside (300 watts RMS each). I can only tell you that this new subwoofer has not been outclassed yet. I bought this subwoofer with very low expection for my sister. I had originally intended to replace the driver with a high-end aluminum driver. As I stated earlier, it looked so beautiful and performed so well that I decided to keep it and order another one for my sister. I don't think I will be changing the driver in the immediate future. I may eventually move it to my two-channel room for 2.1 playback. The cherry finish matches my Polk vintage speakers perfectly. I have a 12" black DIY subwoofer there. It works great, but doesn't match the Polk speakers. EDIT: I just ran the pink noise from the receiver through it and measured the output with an SPL meter. When I turned the volume knob on the back of the subwoofer to the three-quarter point, the SPL meter hit 110 db about a foot away. The subwoofer showed no sign of stress or distortion. I turned it off after this. I didn't want to take a chance and go all the way to the maximum level. As far as I am concerned, the subwoofer passed with an A. ![]() Last edited by Big Daddy; 02-16-2009 at 05:57 AM. |
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do u think the 8" sub would outperform my polk psw12 sub?
my HT is in my room so the space is limited, if this sub would do better, it would be great to know since my sub takes up so much darn space! thanks for your reviews on these. im still pretty new to HT audio stuff so i would appreciate your experienced input. here are the specs Subwoofer 1 - 12" Diameter (30.48cm) Dynamic Balance Polymer Composite cone Electrical Overall Frequency Response 26Hz - 200Hz Lower -3dB Limit 33Hz Upper -3dB Limit 160Hz Crossover Variable 60Hz - 160Hz Inputs Speaker level, line level & unfiltered LFE Outputs Speaker level Dimensions Cabinet Size 16-3/8" H x 16" W x 17-5/8" D (41.59cm H x 40.64cm W x 44.77cm D) Enclosure Type Vented via front panel flared port Power Output 100 watts Continuous Average Output Dynamic Power Output 260 watts Available in 220V? Yes and a linky http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/specs/recent/psw12/ the numbers of AA PSW-8 already says it hits higher and lower frequences and has at least 50 more watts. are front firing subs better then down firing? in a head to head battle do u think the AA psw-8 would outperform the polk psw12( i know polk isnt known for their subs) Last edited by Santeria; 02-05-2009 at 08:15 AM. |
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Orientation of the driver is not very important. The placement in the room makes a lot of difference. Some locations in a home theater room create great bass and other locations create very poor bass sound. The shape and dimensuions of the room are the most important factors. |
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Boy did you really throw a wrench into my decision process.
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The only disadvantage that I can see with these is the fact that neither of them appear to have an "auto-on" feature- it's either on or off. Same with the phase. Can you confirm? *edit* Oh, and how long is the power cord? One thing I don't like about my PA-120 is the cord is a bit short and isn't removable so I had to get an extension at Monoprice.
Also, I wanna see pics of the 12" with the grill on. Looks like a nice sub! Sounds like these can be added to the mix of competitively-priced subs along with the Bic H-100 and the PA-120! |
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I have 4 external subwoofers in my home theater room. My two front speakers also have two 15" powered subwoofers. That makes it 6 large subwoofers in the room. I have tweaked them to death. I have reached the conclusion that it is best to leave the phase settings on zero for all of them. Quote:
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do you think a logitech z5500 subwoofer thumps harder than one of the rw 10'' subs?
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