Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Man up dude, admit you dropped the ball on this one, you will earn the respect of more posters by doing so.

How many times have you witnessed car a run a red light, car b blows their horn at car a, car a then shouts obscenities at car b. Hope you are above this level of folks.

Yes, but technically he’s not wrong. This thread has turned into a pro physical media high five piggy back trainwreck over the past few days. Which is what he was pointing out and I was agreeing with. So explain to me why I need to apologize for not agreeing with the masses

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Yes, but technically he’s not wrong. This thread has turned into a pro physical media high five piggy back trainwreck over the past few days. Which is what he was pointing out and I was agreeing with. So explain to me why I need to apologize for not agreeing with the masses

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Yes, but technically he’s not wrong. This thread has turned into a pro physical media high five piggy back trainwreck over the past few days. Which is what he was pointing out and I was agreeing with. So explain to me why I need to apologize for not agreeing with the masses

I wanted to stay out of this one; I felt it had been addressed already by other members.

flyry's comment was not "technically" right, it was completely wrong. None of what you have said in your second sentence is contained in flyry's post. You can not add meaning to what he said that simply is not there. He said only one side of the debate engaged in fear mongering. That is all that he said. His statement is not true no matter how you twist it and no matter how you spin it. Examples where both sides have made dire predictions could be listed here at great length.

flyry may even agree with the frustration expressed in your second sentence, but it does not change what he actually wrote and what he wrote remains wrong, regardless.

flyry made one of those absolute statements that I have often chided another forum member for posting in this thread. I believe even you have chided this particular person for it, too. These type of statements are almost always false because you only need a single exception to prove it to be false. In this instance, we have an abundance of exceptions that can be readily quoted that prove flyry's comment to be incorrect.

These "versus" type of debates, which is the topic of this thread, behave like a pendulum, swinging from one end of its arc to the other. At any time advocates of one side or the other are free to interject with their opinions thereby keeping the pendulum in motion. If advocates of one position choose to remain silent for a time, that is their choice; there is no blame to be assigned here. Do not conflate the cyclical nature of this thread with the clear fact that flyry's comment is factually wrong and, therefore, it is completely wrong.

[Vilya]

I also offer this statement as an example:

Only men use profanity.

How long would it take you, or anyone, to prove that statement to be wrong? Would you struggle to find exceptions proving this statement to be wrong? Would not each successive exception found further prove beyond any doubt that this statement is completely and utterly incorrect?

Absolute statements are often intellectually lazy in that little thought goes into them and they are almost always wrong.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I also offer this statement as an example:

Only men use profanity.

How long would it take you, or anyone, to prove that statement to be wrong? Would you struggle to find exceptions proving this statement to be wrong? Would not each successive exception found further prove beyond any doubt that this statement is completely and utterly incorrect?

Absolute statements are often intellectually lazy in that little thought goes into them and they are almost always wrong.

Or...........Only Vilya’s internet connnection is patchy!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Or...........Only Vilya’s internet connnection is patchy!

It is time to see if my internet will allow me to play an online game with some of my friends. I hope there is a new here when I return.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

It is time to see if my internet will allow me to play an online game with some of my friends. I hope there is a new here when I return.

ONLY time will tell!

[brap hawg]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

One more collector here, same experience. Decades of collecting discs and not a single disc that broke after years of use.

A disc doesn't break itself.
I'm pretty sure "disc rot" is just digital distribution propaganda to scare people into paying for digital.
I have poorly manufactured CDs that are almost 30 years old and still work and have no disc rot. DVDs are supposed to be even more durable than CDs and Blu-rays are more durable than DVDs. Nothing lasts forever, the people complaining about their durability or life span don't apply that mentality anywhere else except physical media.
Just a bunch of clumsy slovens grasping for straws so they don't have to admit that they don't take care of their belongings.

[The_Donster]

So I'm curious, is it experience or preference that influences your viewing habits? I, for example, use both formats and the occasional DVD. I'm also smart enough to know that not all internet is created equal. A problem I could face now that I've moved to another part of the United States. Still, it is only a matter of time before the tech catches up if I do.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by brap hawg

I'm pretty sure "disc rot" is just digital distribution propaganda to scare people into paying for digital.

Back in the days of the Laserdisc there was “laser rot.” But I agree, it appears most pressed optical disc defects is FUD. I am sure there are defective pressed optical disc but it appears most (not all) are caught during QC. Can not find much info on this.

Pressed optical disc rot folklore seems to be continued by folks that fell for BD being “very brittle” because of the hard coat and suffered from all those small cracks on the outer edge.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Back in the days of the Laserdisc there was “laser rot.” But I agree, it appears most pressed optical disc defects is FUD. I am sure there are defective pressed optical disc but it appears most (not all) are caught during QC. Can not find much info on this.

Pressed optical disc rot folklore seems to be continued by folks that fell for BD being “very brittle” because of the hard coat and suffered from all those small cracks on the outer edge.

I didnt have a single issue with DVD either but i read of some that did. Disc is extremely reliable imo.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I didnt have a single issue with DVD either but i read of some that did. Disc is extremely reliable imo.

IMO, there is confusion amongst many humans because they do not know the difference between pressed disc and recordable disc. They hear about recordable disc going bad and think this applies to all optical media.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

IMO, there is confusion amongst many humans because they do not know the difference between pressed disc and recordable disc. They here about recordable disc going bad and think this applies to all optical media.

I suspect you are right.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

IMO, there is confusion amongst many humans because they do not know the difference between pressed disc and recordable disc. They here about recordable disc going bad and think this applies to all optical media.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I suspect you are right.

Not enough coffee , been corrected.

[Vilya]

The DVDs that failed on me were very, very, few in number, but most of them were also those accursed two-sided flipper discs. These usually had the widescreen presentation on one side and the pan & scan presentation on the other side. Many of the older releases of TV seasons on DVD also used flipper discs. Since the advent of the dual layer DVD, these flipper discs are no longer used, or so I believe, as I have not come across any new flippers in many years.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

So I'm curious, is it experience or preference that influences your viewing habits? I, for example, use both formats and the occasional DVD. I'm also smart enough to know that not all internet is created equal. A problem I could face now that I've moved to another part of the United States. Still, it is only a matter of time before the tech catches up if I do.

Quality drives my viewing habits. I want my movies in the best available quality, both in video and in audio. Disc meets those requirements pretty much every time.

I admit experience is a contributing factor as I have been buying physical media for decades. Buying the disc is almost reflexive now.

I can not stress enough that control over the content I purchase is also of tantamount importance. Even if the quality of digital someday meets, or even exceeds, that of the corresponding disc format, I will still prefer the disc and the control over the content that it provides. The content must be in my tangible possession and not subject to the vagaries of internet performance or subject to the whims of digital content providers and their one-sided EULAs.

If that makes me a control freak, then I'm happy to be a

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super freak.

[dublinbluray108]

I heard a rather interesting story about a revival of VHS last night. A VHS fan has gotten approval from his bank to run a VHS rental store in Liverpool. His new venture is called VideOdessy. It has a coffee shop & retro gaming section which has a big retro arcade machine for his customers. He had accumulated the huge VHS title collection while he was a past employee from another rival store owned by a friend of his from days gone by. He offers the various VHS titles on the shelf. He is also offering customers the chance to rent a VCR with the titles for a small fee.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/what...ening-14825811

I was kind of surprised to see this happen by gaining popularity again to be honest. Many of the people who spoke to him about this have said that he was mad to open a store like this in a place like Liverpool. I wish him well in this new venture but he is going to need a lot of luck for this to succeed for the future. He needs to gain a lot of new customers to make it popular for the masses once again.

What is your take on this new venture? Do you think that he will succeed with managing it with gaining some support?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by dublinbluray108

I heard a rather interesting story about a revival of VHS last night. A VHS fan has gotten approval from his bank to run a VHS rental store in Liverpool. His new venture is called VideOdessy. It has a coffee shop & retro gaming section which has a big retro arcade machine for his customers. He had accumulated the huge VHS title collection while he was a past employee from another rival store owned by a friend of his from days gone by. He offers the various VHS titles on the shelf. He is also offering customers the chance to rent a VCR with the titles for a small fee.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/what...ening-14825811

I was kind of surprised to see this happen by gaining popularity again to be honest. Many of the people who spoke to him about this have said that he was mad to open a store like this in a place like Liverpool. I wish him well in this new venture but he is going to need a lot of luck for this to succeed for the future. He needs to gain a lot of new customers to make it popular for the masses once again.

What is your take on this new venture? Do you think that he will succeed with managing it with gaining some support?

Good luck to him but he will be fighting against the tide imo.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Some digital marketplaces have removed access to purchased content (mostly video games).
All digital marketplaces have removed the ability to buy certain content.
No digital marketplaces have been around long enough to know what they'll do in the future.
All businesses stop supporting old products when they become unprofitable.

All of my fears are based on established patterns.

Vudu has been around over 10 years. That's a lifetime in tech, at least these days.

Sure infancy compared to other home video formats but think of how tech moves these days and all the stuff we really didn't have a decade ago that are commonplace now

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

There is fear mongering on the anti-digital side. TRUE
There is fear mongering on the anti-physical side. TRUE
The only fear mongering is on the anti-digital side. FALSE

Fear Mongering from the Anti-Digital Side:
The digital providers will revoke access to a your entire digital collection.
All media is going to be 5 minute mobile-only videos.
Interactive video will wipe out everything else.
Everything is going to be subscription only and all purchase options will disappear.
Large TVs will stop being sold.
SD will become the only option.

Fear Mongering from the Anti-Physical Side:
Discs have high-failure rates.
Fires and floods will wipe out your collection.
Physical media sales are down 46% this year
Stores will stop selling physical media in a matter of months.
All physical media prices will skyrocket.
Nobody buys physical media.
Physical media buyers will be left behind.

The hilarious part is every bullet point on the anti digital side is all steedeel.

And they're just so ridiculous.

Which was my point.

Some posters on the other side are hyperbolic about the #s and timeframes, but I do agree and even some of the anti-digital posters agreed that at some point physical will probably be online only except maybe the newest movies and store exclusives.

That's logical.

Trips to your store can confirm this. Every time I go to Target or BB they movie section is smaller and moved further back into the store. It seems inevitable.

And some of the anti-physical you posted are not fear mongering, but facts

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

Vudu has been around over 10 years. That's a lifetime in tech, at least these days.

Sure infancy compared to other home video formats but think of how tech moves these days and all the stuff we really didn't have a decade ago that are commonplace now




The hilarious part is every bullet point on the anti digital side is all steedeel.

And they're just so ridiculous.

Which was my point.

Some posters on the other side are hyperbolic about the #s and timeframes, but I do agree and even some of the anti-digital posters agreed that at some point physical will probably be online only except maybe the newest movies and store exclusives.

That's logical.

Trips to your store can confirm this. Every time I go to Target or BB they movie section is smaller and moved further back into the store. It seems inevitable.

And some of the anti-physical you posted are not fear mongering, but facts

Your complete argument collapses when you refuse to acknowledge your initial post was factually incorrect. Also, I don’t know why Penguin has targeted me especially as more than a handful of people have made points about digital such as loss of contents and censored content. I can promise you right here and right now, many disc lovers have made such comments in this thread.

Anyway, your post was factually incorrect and so was Donster for backing up that post.

Poor form from both of you not to hold your hands up and admit that.

Alchav alone is proof that the post was an absolute nonsense. Either that or you both don’t understand the meaning of ‘only’.