Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

I've got a lot of vinyl records. Mine are original pressings that I inherited from my parents when they moved. I never got the impression that they sounded better than the same thing on a CD. Admit it, it's nostalgia. It doesn't sound better.

It sounds better to me and that’s all that matters. I had separates though (technics) and the sound was superb. So was CD but I prefer vinyl. It just did the business for me.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I have Stored Movies on a Server, and Streamed from there. So like you said, if I can do it anyone can. 1:1 Sound and all.

One last attempt to show you the difference. For any given title available via streaming - if you took that binary file(s) and stored it on a UHD Blu-ray disc it still would look the same when played back as it did when it was streamed. Bit starved content will have the same aberrations regardless of where the binary data is stored.

Providers of content via the internet have to pay a lot of money to Akamai, Limelight, AWS, etc. for data storage so it is their interest for each title to use as little space as possible. Providers also know what their customers are using in terms of data so they will cater to that level. Did you look at the June Netflix ISP Speed report that I linked?

Just last night I was watching a Netflix show in 1080 and it did not look very good so I checked the data rate and it was just over 2 Mbps so I stopped the show, went to the Netflix app network test and it showed almost 25 Mbps (my plans max speed).

Discs are dying a slow death, but they will be around a while they'll just cost more.

When there are few desirable titles available sales will be slow, nothing new here. As the market saturates growth will slow. Look in the old sales thread, I predicted years ago that Netflix growth in the US would slow to a crawl and folks made fun of me.

You really need to do some checking before stating “Digital video started with DVD.” Digital video was widely available starting summer of 1994 with DirecTV. In the commercial world of video from the early 1980's we had frame stores, Ampex VPR-3's with Zeus TBC's, frame sync’s, etc. that were all digital devices.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Here is one that I am sure has the content owners scratching their heads for sometime now: Attachment Rates (a term used quite often in the HD disc war days).

When one considers how many devices (smart phones, tablets, smart TV’s, consoles, PC’s, etc.) that can play content via the internet it would seem logical that EST would be much more poplar than physical media because of the huge installed base of devices. It appears most of these folks do not care to own digital content. Do not confuse EST with cheap UV/MA code purchases, they are not the same.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Here is one that I am sure has the content owners scratching their heads for sometime now: Attachment Rates (a term used quite often in the HD disc war days).

When one considers how many devices (smart phones, tablets, smart TV’s, consoles, PC’s, etc.) that can play content via the internet it would seem logical that EST would be much more poplar than physical media because of the huge installed base of devices. It appears most of these folks do not care to own digital content. Do not confuse EST with cheap UV/MA code purchases, they are not the same.

Yeah, it’s the ownership model in general that is under threat. I have said that for years and the single digit Digital HD growth backs that up. I see the format as a stop gap in the same way that MP3 downloads were before streaming came along.

For the record, I’m buying 4K disc now and will do until it’s impossible to do so anymore. I still buy Blu-ray as well depending on the title.

[Vilya]

On the home page, there is an announcement about the upcoming release of a major title on disc. In the comments section a forum member, at least for the moment, is having what appears to be an online nervous breakdown. I am reposting the one paragraph rant behind spoilers, it is a very unpleasant read, and without the member's identity:

Edit: As the moderators have now deleted that comment; I have done likewise. Those of you who quoted my entire post in your reply to it might want to delete that comment also. I sent a PM to each of you.

I have seldom encountered such extreme anger and vitriol in a post on this website, especially in a comments section about a movie release. It surprises me that a conversation about the subjective merits and demerits of a movie could deteriorate this badly.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Even more disturbing, he thinks marrying a beautiful woman and having kids somehow turns someone into a amazing human being. .

If it were only that simple.

The person posting that tirade seems to be very much in need of real help. It is very sad.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

If it were only that simple.

The person posting that tirade seems to be very much in need of real help. It is very sad.

Agreed. Although I can identify with sensory overload. Seeing the same news about corrupt politicians, all the senseless killing in the world, adverts
Selling life insurance, reality tv nonsense, ignorance that one may encounter every day, attitudes towards people with special needs, the elderly, animals, our planet, etc.. I sometimes wish I could visit another place for a while,just floating somewhere.

Having said all that, the bile in that guy’s response suggests his hate comes from within.

Maybe that guy has reached his limit within his own mind and I think you are right. He needs help and fast.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

That poster sounds like a spoiled 3 year old. Am surprised there is no way to report post made in the Comments Section.

There is a yellow triangle icon with a black exclamation point that allows members to report inappropriate comments. It is next to the "+" and "-" icons. I reported it, but it can take many hours before a moderator reviews the report. Why the reporting icon has a different appearance there than it does here in the main forums is a mystery.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

Not to go off on a tangent, but I just don't get why people buy vinyl. There is nothing to be gained in sound quality as the vast majority come from digital masters anyway. They cost a lot more than buying the album in iTunes or on a CD. The equipment to play them costs a lot (unless you use something cheap like a Crossley or AT LP60). I could understand why a lot of folks started buying SACD because the mastering was usually better and many would play on a CD player. From a technical standpoint, a CD or high-res digital should sound much closer to the original recording than any vinyl record would.

I agree with some of what you shared, as there certainly is an increased cost associated with not only the vinyl itself, but also the equipment. I also agree with the fact that you will not hear a difference using a cheap Crosley turntable. I do however challenge the idea that there is no difference or benefit to going the vinyl route. It is a very dangerous and expensive rabbit hole to go down, but an analog system when done right can be amazing. I have been buying vinyl since 1974, but those albums don’t get any play since 5 years of college can be rough on them. Everything I listen to now is new, usually remastered, and 180g pressings. I have done A/B comparisons with vinyl and remastered cds for friends, and vinyl won every time. Lossless audio downloads through a high end DAC can sound great as well, but once again, there is cost there as well. It’s not for everyone as I understand it is a niche market, and some people can’t hear the difference anyway, but there is a difference. My two channel gear is not listed below, as it is a separate system as a side note, so yes, even more cost.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by CV19

I think the physical aspect of it was part of the attraction.

It was an ordeal just to play some music for some of us . Put the LP on the turntable, get out the Discwasher, clean, check tracking weight, check the rotation rate, etc. In the early 80' sold all my vinyl related item and donated (several hundred) most of my LP's. I preferred my Teac A-3440 and was over the Sony PCM-1.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by CV19

I think the physical aspect of it was part of the attraction. I've always liked vinyl myself and still have a number of records from the late 70's and 1980's which I bought when I was a young lad.

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

It was an ordeal just to play some music for some of us . Put the LP on the turntable, get out the Discwasher, clean, check tracking weight, check the rotation rate, etc. In the early 80' sold all my vinyl related item and donated (several hundred) most of my LP's.

You guys take me way back to '69, where I flew out of Chu Lai and Danang, Vietnam. I bought my first Stereo set up at the PX in Chu Lai. We had a two man room where we sealed it up, and had air conditioners sent from The States. I had a Sansui 5000A Amp, Sansui S1000 Speakers, Pioneer PL-41 Turn Table, and a Teac 4010 Reel to Reel Tape Recorder. This was State of the Art back then, and I had it all shipped home. I still have the Amp and Speakers, and sold the rest. I had a big Vinyl Collection that I finally sold when I moved from Palm Desert, CA. I later bought a Cassette Tape Recorder, where I would record the LP's to play in my car, parties, or when I went House Boating. Good Times and Good Music!

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

It was an ordeal just to play some music for some of us .

Yes, it's true that LP's required more tender loving care than say a CD would, but at the time when I was buying LP's, I also liked the artwork on the cover (not in all cases) plus often the lyrics to the songs would be included. I think I bought my last LP sometime in the mid-80's as I was already buying CD's pretty much since their launch.

I've never owned a reel-to-reel tape recorder, but that Teac you mention certainly looks the business.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I had a big Vinyl Collection that I finally sold when I moved from Palm Desert, CA. I later bought a Cassette Tape Recorder, where I would record the LP's to play in my car, parties, or when I went House Boating. Good Times and Good Music!

Very true. I also used to copy my LP's onto cassettes, especially when I had my first Sony Walkman and knew that I could listen to my music on the move, so to speak. I still have lots of tapes that I recorded myself, and the metal tapes in particular still sound incredibly well today even after all these years.

[Wendell R. Breland]

At long last it looks like one of my favorite Sci-Fi movies, Screamers (1995), is finally coming to BD from Scream Factory. Sure hope it is OAR (1.85) and lossless audio in at least 5.1 (release was Dolby Digital, DTS and SDDS). Have it on DVD but should be much better on BD.

Last night watched The Time Machine (2002) from a D-VHS D-Theater tape. It reminded me how thrilling it was to watch major movies in 1080 from the 2002 time period. IMO, the D-VHS D-Theater splash logo at the beginning of each movie still remains one of the best. Still have several titles (including True Lies) on D-Theater because they have not made it to BD.

[Groot]

Did PenguinInfinity delete all their posts? lol

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Groot

Did PenguinInfinity delete all their posts? lol

What the heck? maybe that quite insulting post aimed towards me has made him do that? The thing about that is, I have a good memory!

[Groot]

https://forum.blu-ray.com/member.php?u=430623

Even went back and removed every thanks they ever gave. Guess someone got upset.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Groot

Did PenguinInfinity delete all their posts? lol

I think you are right. I can not find any post from him in any thread after my exhaustive 5 minute search. Only where he was quoted in a reply do his comments remain.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

At long last it looks like one of my favorite Sci-Fi movies, Screamers (1995), is finally coming to BD from Scream Factory. Sure hope it is OAR (1.85) and lossless audio in at least 5.1 (release was Dolby Digital, DTS and SDDS). Have it on DVD but should be much better on BD.

Last night watched The Time Machine (2002) from a D-VHS D-Theater tape. It reminded me how thrilling it was to watch major movies in 1080 from the 2002 time period. IMO, the D-VHS D-Theater splash logo at the beginning of each movie still remains one of the best. Still have several titles (including True Lies) on D-Theater because they have not made it to BD.

I'm glad a favorite film of yours is making it to blu-ray. It is always awesome to discover such news.

I sure wish I had a nice copy of True Lies; my non-anamorphic DVD does not cut it. Do you happen to own The Abyss extended cut on that format? What other unavailable gems do you have on D-VHS?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Groot

https://forum.blu-ray.com/member.php?u=430623

Even went back and removed every thanks they ever gave. Guess someone got upset.

Forums are a dangerous place if one is easily upset.