Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

I wish, that is the one in Waynesville NC (still a small town). Mine is really small, located at: Walmart, Pisgah Forest NC. They just recently added some UHD BD titles and a couple of low end players.

Few stores have a better pulse on what "average" Americans buy than does Walmart. The fact that Walmart carries 4K discs and 4K disc players at all is a pretty good sign for the format.

My local store even sells LG 4K OLED "C8" series TVs! I never thought I would see TVs such as these at Walmart.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I think Streaming is a lot more than Convenient, for the people that watch Shows and Movies this way it's great Quality. The Average Person doesn't care about Bitrate as long as they get a Quality Stream. I did more testing on Netflix, and my Bitrate for UHD 4K was 15.56Mbps, and it looked Outstanding. When I talk to people their eyes glaze over when I ask about Bitrate and Resolution. DVD Quality is more than enough for them, the only people that look at every frame are Film Fanatics here. Discs are fading because nobody wants to pay $20-$30+, they will just wait till it comes out on Amazon or Netflix!

I have never and will never look over every frame. I always dreamed of cinema quality at home (I virtually lived in the cinema as a child) and now I have it. A/V quality is outstanding. It’s just not the same cinematic experience with streaming. Sorry, but it isn’t.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I always dreamed of cinema quality at home (I virtually lived in the cinema as a child) and now I have it.

I thought about looking into finding that poster a upscale dealer with front projection and Dolby Atmos/DTS:X in Las Vegas but I now believe that would be a waste of my time. IMO, he has no idea what home cinema can be and is really like. There are many things I can not afford or will not spend the money on but I sure do like window shopping.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

I thought about looking into finding that poster a upscale dealer with front projection and Dolby Atmos/DTS:X in Las Vegas but I now believe that would be a waste of my time. IMO, he has no idea what home cinema can be and is really like. There are many things I can not afford or will not spend the money on but I sure do like window shopping.

People who don't like high quality or don’t seek it out just really frustrates me. Film deserves the best.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

I thought about looking into finding that poster a upscale dealer with front projection and Dolby Atmos/DTS:X in Las Vegas but I now believe that would be a waste of my time. IMO, he has no idea what home cinema can be and is really like. There are many things I can not afford or will not spend the money on but I sure do like window shopping.

I am not trying to be a gear snob here as my stuff is nowhere near flagship level, but we are talking about someone who streams to a TV and listens with headphones. This is not a home theater enthusiast nor does he seem to be a particularly avid film fan- he is content with what streaming services choose to offer him and at whatever level of quality they choose to provide it. He is a more casual viewer who is happy with his basic set-up and a casual film fan who finds streaming, and whatever selection they offer, to be more than good enough.

I do not fault people for being happy with what they have; but when he continually speaks to things that he does not know about, such as disc prices and the quality they offer, to name just two, then I do take exception. He does not have the gear, nor the discs themselves, to speak to how they look and sound when presented with a quality home theater.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

I thought about looking into finding that poster a upscale dealer with front projection and Dolby Atmos/DTS:X in Las Vegas but I now believe that would be a waste of my time. IMO, he has no idea what home cinema can be and is really like. There are many things I can not afford or will not spend the money on but I sure do like window shopping.

Get yourself a Mega Millions ticket for Tuesday's drawing; you could be the one to win it all!

[Steedeel]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ut-commitment/

Just for you Vilya. This is what we have to look forward too. Expect films to be crushed down as well for the attention deficit generation you claim don’t exist.

Digital, the gift that keeps on giving.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ut-commitment/

Just for you Vilya. This is what we have to look forward too. Expect films to be crushed down as well for the attention deficit generation you claim don’t exist.

Digital, the gift that keeps on giving.

So what?

It is just another potential entertainment offering designed for busy people viewing content with mobile devices. This is no more significant than if they launched a new version of Angry Birds. Just another way to be entertained while on the go. The article does not in any way support your unfounded fears for long form content or for TVs themselves. There is nothing in that article that indicates, or even vaguely suggests, that long form content or large screen TVs are facing any threat.

I watch stuff on my mobile devices and on my TV/ home theater. I have no plans to get rid of either of them. I discovered that you can use both! My preference should be pretty clear.

All we have here is another trivial story from which you draw the wrong conclusion.

Are you really going to keep ringing the alarm bell every time someone announces new content for mobile devices? Show me some data, any data, that shows that traditional length movies and TV shows are in decline. Show me where large screen TV sales are contracting. Show me something objective and verifiable to support any aspect of your undying fears and I will stop laughing long enough to read it. Until then, thanks for another

Can I get back to my Tales From the Crypt now? I am watching it on my TV as my phone needs charging.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

I thought about looking into finding that poster a upscale dealer with front projection and Dolby Atmos/DTS:X in Las Vegas but I now believe that would be a waste of my time. IMO, he has no idea what home cinema can be and is really like. There are many things I can not afford or will not spend the money on but I sure do like window shopping.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

People who don't like high quality or don’t seek it out just really frustrates me. Film deserves the best.

Originally Posted by Vilya

I am not trying to be a gear snob here as my stuff is nowhere near flagship level, but we are talking about someone who streams to a TV and listens with headphones. This is not a home theater enthusiast nor does he seem to be a particularly avid film fan- he is content with what streaming services choose to offer him and at whatever level of quality they choose to provide it. He is a more casual viewer who is happy with his basic set-up and a casual film fan who finds streaming, and whatever selection they offer, to be more than good enough.

I do not fault people for being happy with what they have; but when he continually speaks to things that he does not know about, such as disc prices and the quality they offer, to name just two, then I do take exception. He does not have the gear, nor the discs themselves, to speak to how they look and sound when presented with a quality home theater.

Neither do most of you guys according to John Sciacca, Sound & Vision. Most of us have Media Rooms, as opposed to Home Theaters dedicated to watching Movies:

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...takes-part-two

If you have a Home Theater it should be Projection with 85" or more. Just because I prefer Streaming doesn't mean I don't appreciate Quality. To me there is no difference, I get all the detail that I need. Up until 4K, all my viewing was Disc but then I started to see no difference in Streaming and Disc. Streaming has come a long way, and it keeps getting better. You guys like to be smug with your so called Home Theaters, and put the Streaming people down when we like and appreciate Moves just as much. Movies had a big impact on me with Movies like Airport and Blue Max. Top Gun was a good one too, but that came later. So we all love Movies, the way we view them should have nothing to do with it!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Neither do most of you guys according to John Sciacca, Sound & Vision. Most of us have Media Rooms, as opposed to Home Theaters dedicated to watching Movies:

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...takes-part-two

If you have a Home Theater it should be Projection with 85" or more. Just because I prefer Streaming doesn't mean I don't appreciate Quality. To me there is no difference, I get all the detail that I need. Up until 4K, all my viewing was Disc but then I started to see no difference in Streaming and Disc. Streaming has come a long way, and it keeps getting better. You guys like to be smug with your so called Home Theaters, and put the Streaming people down when we like and appreciate Moves just as much. Movies had a big impact on me with Movies like Airport and Blue Max. Top Gun was a good one too, but that came later. So we all love Movies, the way we view them should not have anything to do with it!

I said straight up in my opening sentence that I do not own a state of the art home theater, not even close, but it is light years beyond listening to streamed content over wireless headphones. Some "media" room you must have when you do not buy any media and instead only stream.

Consumer priced projectors do not even offer Dolby Vision at the $35,000 price point and they do not offer convincing blacks nor are they bright enough. They also require bulb replacements every 3-5 years at $500+ per bulb. The highest quality images are produced on flat panel displays, either OLED with their near infinite contrast and the best blacks offered anywhere or with full array LEDS and their incomparably high nit ratings, depending on what you value most. Massive screen size is certainly nice, but projectors do not offer anywhere near the highest in picture quality. You do not, in any way, shape, or form have to have a projection based system to own an awesome home theater. Your suggesting this is just further proof of your ignorance.

Home theaters are more than just the display, they are also about the sound. The sound is every bit as important; you might appreciate this if you owned a true multi-channel surround sound speaker array abundantly powered by a muscular AVR. Your reliance upon wireless headphones does not even come close to what a true surround sound set-up can provide. So much for quality, indeed.

You talk about the prices of discs and their impact on disc sales when you neither buy them nor shop for them. When you even bother to look at the sales data, you either ignore it or misinterpret it. 4K disc sales are up 100% this year; ponder that awhile. You simply do not know what you are talking about.

You compare disc performance, both picture and sound, to streaming when you only have an older 2013 model blu-ray player that you claim not to use anymore and while only listening with wireless headphones. You do not even have the capability to watch a 4K disc nor to listen to it with a true multi-speaker surround set-up robustly powered with a well equipped AVR. You do not have the equipment to properly evaluate discs, so your opinion about them means pretty much nothing as again you do not buy them, do not shop for them , do not watch them, do not listen to them, and can not even play a 4K disc to begin with.

No one cares that you prefer streaming and you are only criticized when you speak inaccurately about it or when you make factually incorrect statements about physical media. You vastly exaggerate the bitrates that streaming actually provides and you speak numerous lies about discs. And you do it repeatedly.

Many people here have stated that they use both discs and streaming, or even streaming alone, and no one gives them a hard time for it because they, unlike you, do not say ridiculous things on the subject. Even I use streaming, rarely, as a research tool and I would be displeased if that tool became unavailable to me. Contrast my attitude towards streaming with your often repeated wish that discs die. You are the only one here who has ever wished death upon physical media.

There are numerous titles that you simply can not watch via subscription streaming at any resolution and even when you can, those titles can be removed at any time. Most avid film fans want to own their favorite movies, even if it is just the illusion of ownership that digital purchases offer. When it comes to purchases, disc offers a better selection, especially of catalog titles. With extremely few exceptions, the disc edition offers higher quality in video and in audio. Discs are durable, reliable, and they are not subject to any of the issues that can interfere with performance as often happens with streaming's dependence upon servers and one's ISP. You actually own discs, too; there are no EULAS of any kind with their one-sided and changeable at any time terms.

It is not your happiness with your set-up that I take issue with nor how you view movies. I honestly don't care how you watch and listen to anything. It is when you speak on subjects, and speak about them incorrectly, that you are obviously uninformed about, or are willfully ignorant of, that you get the criticism that you do. If you ever learned anything from anyone, it would not be as egregious, but you just keep repeating the same fallacies AND that is why you draw the flack that you do and it is why you will continue to do so.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ut-commitment/

Just for you Vilya. This is what we have to look forward too. Expect films to be crushed down as well for the attention deficit generation you claim don’t exist.

Digital, the gift that keeps on giving.

Not that it is by any means a way that I would prefer to watch movies in general, but I almost want to rip some of my discs, cut down movies into small pieces, watch them on my phone, and post about it here just to drive you nuts.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Not that it is by any means a way that I would prefer to watch movies in general, but I almost want to rip some of my discs, cut down movies into small pieces, watch them on my phone, and post about it here just to drive you nuts.

All that trouble for such a short trip?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

So what?

It is just another potential entertainment offering designed for busy people viewing content with mobile devices. This is no more significant than if they launched a new version of Angry Birds. Just another way to be entertained while on the go. The article does not in any way support your unfounded fears for long form content or for TVs themselves. There is nothing in that article that indicates, or even vaguely suggests, that long form content or large screen TVs are facing any threat.

I watch stuff on my mobile devices and on my TV/ home theater. I have no plans to get rid of either of them. I discovered that you can use both! My preference should be pretty clear.

All we have here is another trivial story from which you draw the wrong conclusion.

Are you really going to keep ringing the alarm bell every time someone announces new content for mobile devices? Show me some data, any data, that shows that traditional length movies and TV shows are in decline. Show me where large screen TV sales are contracting. Show me something objective and verifiable to support any aspect of your undying fears and I will stop laughing long enough to read it. Until then, thanks for another

Can I get back to my Tales From the Crypt now? I am watching it on my TV as my phone needs charging.

It isn’t another entertainment option, it’s going to be built as a foundation for ALL video. It’s a standard that is going to change how media is presented to people. It’s only 4 years away and it will replace the current broadcasting and video standards to allow things like adjustable length programmes that can be turned into bite size chunks (short form says hello) and become far more interactive. Everything is pointing to the bastardisation of film and tv. I keep saying it and no one is getting it. In effect, the whole industry is catering to smartphones and short attention spans.

No, I will ring the alarm bell when my OWN views corresponds with some major tech news (and this IS major tech news). I have brought this point up several times but some people aren’t interested in saving film and are hurrying the process up by going digital.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Not that it is by any means a way that I would prefer to watch movies in general, but I almost want to rip some of my discs, cut down movies into small pieces, watch them on my phone, and post about it here just to drive you nuts.

Yeah, you strike me as that type if I’m being honest. Just my opinion.

Do you understand what all this means? Look up BBC OBB for a start.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Neither do most of you guys according to John Sciacca, Sound & Vision. Most of us have Media Rooms, as opposed to Home Theaters dedicated to watching Movies:

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...takes-part-two

If you have a Home Theater it should be Projection with 85" or more. Just because I prefer Streaming doesn't mean I don't appreciate Quality. To me there is no difference, I get all the detail that I need. Up until 4K, all my viewing was Disc but then I started to see no difference in Streaming and Disc. Streaming has come a long way, and it keeps getting better. You guys like to be smug with your so called Home Theaters, and put the Streaming people down when we like and appreciate Moves just as much. Movies had a big impact on me with Movies like Airport and Blue Max. Top Gun was a good one too, but that came later. So we all love Movies, the way we view them should have nothing to do with it!

Well, I’m one of the projector crowd. I can promise you streaming doesn’t look as good blown up.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It isn’t another entertainment option, it’s going to be built as a foundation for ALL video. It’s a standard that is going to change how media is presented to people. It’s only 4 years away and it will replace the current broadcasting and video standards to allow things like adjustable length programmes that can be turned into bite size chunks (short form says hello) and become far more interactive. Everything is pointing to the bastardisation of film and tv. I keep saying it and no one is getting it. In effect, the whole industry is catering to smartphones and short attention spans.

No, I will ring the alarm bell when my OWN views corresponds with some major tech news (and this IS major tech news). I have brought this point up several times but some people aren’t interested in saving film and are hurrying the process up by going digital.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

Its coming, no way it wont. Too much investment and upheavel for it not to happen. Do you know what it is? Or is this just the cliched rude response.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yeah, you strike me as that type if I’m being honest. Just my opinion.

I aim to please.

Do you understand what all this means?

It means that this damn thing doesn't work at all!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

I aim to please.



It means that this damn thing doesn't work at all!

Object based broadcasting, go and learn something.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Its coming, no way it wont. Too much investment and upheavel for it not to happen. Do you know what it is? Or is this just the cliched rude response.

Do I know what it is... puuuuuhlease...

It will become an option... and a very poorly used one at that (by comparison). It will exist, but it won’t get used near enough to become the basis upon which the main supply of content gets created. It will be something which will continue to be an afterthought and a product of the manipulation of the current style of full length content.