Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well I'm glad all you guys think you are so knowledgeable, and have the best equipment and media money can buy.

Some here do not think they are knowledgeable, they know they are and have degrees in various fields related to electronics, pictures and sound. Some have Linkedin accounts where you can read more about them. Have not updated my account in a very long time. I'm no longer a member of SMPTE or AES, do wish I had the latest SMPTE TV and Film standards and recommended practices. Mine are almost 20 years old.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well I'm glad all you guys think you are so knowledgeable, and have the best equipment and media money can buy.

I'm still learning a lot. I have the best that I am able to buy. My most recent purchases being used components.

I have finished dialing in my new audio system and just finished experiencing Kubo and the Two Strings.



I'm stunned, it was so beautiful. I have a lingering feeling of pure satisfaction.

Whatever your equipment is be open to striving to get the best from it and also letting it do it's magic and you can't go wrong.

There is always a next level and it's always worth reaching for.

-Brian

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I'm still learning a lot. I have the best that I am able to buy. My most recent purchases being used components.

I have finished dialing in my new audio system and just finished experiencing Kubo and the Two Strings.



I'm stunned, it was so beautiful. I have a lingering feeling of pure satisfaction.

Whatever your equipment is be open to striving to get the best from it and also letting it do it's magic and you can't go wrong.

There is always a next level and it's always worth reaching for.

-Brian

I have the more recent versions on BD and they are great. I've been meaning to upgrade to 4K disc for Kubo, Boxtrolls, Coraline, and Paranorman.

[cheez avenger]

Just finished watching Boston Strangler on HULU (in 4K HDR / 5.1) and will be seeing Shazaam 2 in Dolby Cinema tonight.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

All these Movies might be coming in UHD in Vudu, I have Avatar and Titanic in HDX!

they might also come to Beta Not that I would care if they do or don't but if they were announced that they are coming to VUDU at least you would have a reason to post as informative to others that might care. Any title might come to any format at any time why post your assumption and wishful thinking as if it matters?

[cheez avenger]

Shazam 2 was awesome! The Dolby Cinema presentation was great and the 4K disc should be great. Phenomenal Atmos sound! It's not tracking well in terms of making money, so this may be the only weekend you can catch it on a premium screen. John Wick 4 is next week and that's gobbling up all the premium screens.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

they might also come to Beta Not that I would care if they do or don't but if they were announced that they are coming to VUDU at least you would have a reason to post as informative to others that might care. Any title might come to any format at any time why post your assumption and wishful thinking as if it matters?

I'm just saying if the Scans make it to Disc they also make it to Digital Streaming. You guys put Disc so far above Streaming, but the Quality is very Subjective and dependent on your equipment and setup. I have these Movies in HDX and now available in UHD!

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[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I'm just saying if the Scans make it to Disc they also make it to Digital Streaming. You guys put Disc so far above Streaming, but the Quality is very Subjective and dependent on your equipment and setup. I have these Movies in HDX and now available in UHD!

If we tell you some facts you'll just say I can't see the difference or hear the difference. But everything you utilize now for streaming content is more compressed and has a lower bit-rate than the blu-rays or UHD Blu-rays. Thats a fact that you need to live with.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I'm just saying if the Scans make it to Disc they also make it to Digital Streaming.

if the powers that be have a 4k + master they can release it on UHD physical or digital. On that we agree. Does it necessarily mean it will be available in UHD on Physical and all the digital platforms. No, sometimes they don't release on physical and most often then not it is not available on every digital streaming platform because that would mean they need to sign agreements with all of them and often there tends to be exclusivity agreements because the different platform owners want people to use their system.

If you would have said hope they also make it to Vudu, I don't think anyone would have said anything as movie fans we all want content to make to our format of choice.

But in a best case scenario it came of as wishful thinking pretending to be some secrete insider info, and worst as a petty person trying to crap over some cool news for some physical media fans.

You guys put Disc so far above Streaming, but the Quality is very Subjective and dependent on your equipment and setup.

quality is not subjective no matter how much you state that BS. It is measurable and testable and so objective. How much someone cares for it is subjective. The same way some person with limited ncome might go with a medium size over large to save 1$ to save 1$ while a super rich person, might noty bat an eyelid on 1M$ Yacht upgrade because that more expensive colour is more in trend right now.

as for equipment and set-up. I don't fully agree with you. Christmas 2006 when I went to my sisters I could have brought some DVDs but instead I brought my PS3 and BDs even if it was connected to an old tube SD TV and TV speakers. If the source is lesser quality the final result will be lesser quality (unless the device(s) is truly defective) no matter what equipment is used. And to me that better quality for the few days we would all be there was important.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I'm just saying if the Scans make it to Disc they also make it to Digital Streaming.

It took a long time before some of my disc titles that were 2.39 to make it to my digital lockers and replace the P&S versions. You assume all digital locker content is the same, it is not. Do I really need to post links to videos on this subject, again?

You guys put Disc so far above Streaming, but the Quality is very Subjective and dependent on your equipment and setup.

As pointed out to you specifically, several times, encodes can be measured objectively. Common amongst all codecs being used, the higher the bit rate used the more true to the uncompressed source the encode will be.

FACT, most streaming is targeted to the masses, who, like you deems the quality “good enough”. And I concur, I see artifacts from time to time but I would wager 99.5% of the viewing audience will never see them. Does not take a business heavy weight to know you do not spend large sums to satisfy that .5%.

FACT, I own my disc and they can not be altered, removed, charge more to continue to view them, etc. MA sent me an email recently saying I must re-link my MA movies to my other digital lockers which I did. Now my Apple iTunes via the ATV4K shows 4 titles rather than my several hundred, a glitch but an aggravation just the same.

[gotmule]

Movies and tv shows are considered Art, and are interpreted and enjoyed in different ways across the board by the masses who view them. Some go to greater lengths and cost to experience them in the best conditions possible or within their means, all the while protecting the art to ensure it is not altered or removed. Does that make those that do elitists or snobs? Not so sure nor do I really care.

Music is definitely art, and going to see a show is similar in the sense that some of us spend considerably more money for great seats in order to experience the music from both an auditory and visual spectacle. Some just want to spend $20 for lawn seats and sit on a blanket next to a bunch of soccer Moms who have had too many White Claws and watch the show on the video screens on the side of the stage because they can’t see what is happening on the stage from where they are, nor can they appreciate some of the subtleties with the music due to the mix being dialed in for an area a few hundred feet in front of them. Once again, does that make those who spend the money for the best seats elitists? Not sure nor do I care.

Or is it the soccer Moms who are elitists as they get in their $80,000 SUVs to head home? Not sure nor do I care.

The difference between these examples however is that those who prefer buying lawn seats do not talk about nor prognosticate a time when the great seats go away, and we are all sitting on that blanket watching the show on a Jumbotron taking glee in that fact.

But when it comes to disc vs digital, there are definitely those who do all of those things and maybe more, and think that those of us who go to greater lengths and cost to enjoy the same art as it is intended to be enjoyed are the crazy ones, elitists, or home theater snobs because of our gear.

Do those who buy lawn seats enjoy the show? I would hazard a guess and say yes. Is it the same experience to those who have seats within the first 10 rows? Definitely not. Do those who stream content listening to tv speakers or wireless headphones enjoy the movie or tv show? Absolutely yes. Is it the same experience as watching the same movie or tv show on a 4K disc in a calibrated home theater of a certain level? Hell no…..and stop pretending that it is.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

FACT, I own my disc and they can not be altered, removed, charge more to continue to view them, etc. MA sent me an email recently saying I must re-link my MA movies to my other digital lockers which I did. Now my Apple iTunes via the ATV4K shows 4 titles rather than my several hundred, a glitch but an aggravation just the same.

Why don’t you just go into settings for your profile and the link you have a problem with disconnect and then add it again? I had no such problem with the re-link retailers. (Locker)

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I'm just saying if the Scans make it to Disc they also make it to Digital Streaming.

Not true.

Some things remain exclusive to disc some things remain exclusive to streaming.

To give an instant example, West World Season 1 is available on UHD disc and unavailabe for 4K streaming.



When trying to make a point about something, it's better to either know what you are saying or do a tiny bit of research at least.

Any rational person has the ability to do both giving them access to anything available they want to enjoy.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

Shazam 2 was awesome! The Dolby Cinema presentation was great and the 4K disc should be great. Phenomenal Atmos sound! It's not tracking well in terms of making money, so this may be the only weekend you can catch it on a premium screen. John Wick 4 is next week and that's gobbling up all the premium screens.

I enjoyed it as well, though my expectations were extremely low going in. I thought it was better than the first one. Will definitely pick it up on disc.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

FACT, I own my disc and they can not be altered, removed, charge more to continue to view them, etc. MA sent me an email recently saying I must re-link my MA movies to my other digital lockers which I did. Now my Apple iTunes via the ATV4K shows 4 titles rather than my several hundred, a glitch but an aggravation just the same.

I just went into my MA, and I'm connected to Amazon Prime, Vudu, Google, and Microsoft. All my Movies are there with no problems, but then I don't have AppleTV. I do have an Apple App on my Sony UHD TV to watch their Content, but I haven't used it.

[alchav21]

Here is a good Video from Jaremy talking about Streaming vs Disc. He puts together Bitrates for Video and Audio more along the lines of where I have been telling you guys it's up to around 20Mbps Average for Video. Especially if you have Fiber and Hardwired Ethernet the Quality is catching up to Disc Real Fast!

Streaming vs. Blu-ray Disc for 4K HDR & Dolby Atmos Quality | Is Streaming Really That Bad? - YouTube

[veritas]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Here is a good Video from Jaremy talking about Streaming vs Disc. He puts together Bitrates for Video and Audio more along the lines of where I have been telling you guys it's up to around 20Mbps Average for Video. Especially if you have Fiber and Hardwired Ethernet the Quality is catching up to Disc Real Fast!

You know blu rays generally have higher bit rates then 20mb. those numbers would actually be a rather subpar blu ray probably. All he really said was 4k stream is about 2/3rd of the way to a decent blu ray at least in terms of bit rate.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Here is a good Video from Jaremy talking about Streaming vs Disc. He puts together Bitrates for Video and Audio more along the lines of where I have been telling you guys it's up to around 20Mbps Average for Video. Especially if you have Fiber and Hardwired Ethernet the Quality is catching up to Disc Real Fast!

Streaming vs. Blu-ray Disc for 4K HDR & Dolby Atmos Quality | Is Streaming Really That Bad? - YouTube

see https://www.premiumbeat.com/blog/eve...out-bit-rates/

Blu-ray, the standard for high quality home cinema, has generally adhered to a maximum bit rate of about 40Mbits/s for 1080P movies. However, with the recently release of Ultra HD Blu-ray, which features 4K playback, movies can use bit rates as high as 128Mbits/s.

The best iTunes/Movies Anywhere UHD playback is 32 Mbits, most 4K streaming for say for Disney is about 18-20 Mbits/s, Full-HD is 11 Mbits/s. A lot of HD streaming can below if it's only HD, vs Full HD. (720P vs 1080P)

Please note I am taking about combined A/V bitstreams. Thats the one thing that streaming lacks, lossless audio when audio can represent a lot of audio quality difference.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by veritas

You know blu rays generally have higher bit rates then 20mb. those numbers would actually be a rather subpar blu ray probably. All he really said was 4k stream is about 2/3rd of the way to a decent blu ray at least in terms of bit rate.

Maybe by the time 8K streaming is available they'll have caught up to 1080p Blu-ray.

[bhampton]

Some people can't have nice things. Others don't want the nice things.

If streaming is ever comparable to physical media that will be nice. Meanwhile, it is the best time to love physical media.

Lots of great new releases on the way to my theater.