BumbleBee (2018) [No 3D Blu-ray] (Transformers Film Series) [Digital only]

[cdx47]

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

I wish they offered a virtual cinema movie theater that could play 3D blu rays in the PSVR2 and PSVR1, but it's only often available through online streaming only, which stinks IMO compared to the quality of a blu ray.

The equivalent on the Oculus platform is called Bigscreen and the quality is watchable but definitely not Blu-ray quality. Which is why I watch my stuff locally.

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

Bumblebee 3D, I heard it's better than the Transformers movies.

I'm not an OG Transformers fan so I'm not bothered by any liberties taken by Bay. I really liked the first Transformers movie and find the rest entertaining enough in HDR with Atmos. Even if I didn't like them that much, the 3D really does add another dimension to the other movies in terms of popcorn flick entertainment.

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

It sounds like the 3D is on par with the Transformers 3D films?

That's a pretty high bar. The 3D for Transformers movies is equivalent to the upper tiers of MCU 3D movies. Bumblebee is one movie I have not been able to find. I might see if I have access to it in Bigscreen.

[Zivouhr]

Originally Posted by cdx47

[Show spoiler]The equivalent on the Oculus platform is called Bigscreen and the quality is watchable but definitely not Blu-ray quality. Which is why I watch my stuff locally.


I'm not an OG Transformers fan so I'm not bothered by any liberties taken by Bay. I really liked the first Transformers movie and find the rest entertaining enough in HDR with Atmos. Even if I didn't like them that much, the 3D really does add another dimension to the other movies in terms of popcorn flick entertainment.

That's a pretty high bar. The 3D for Transformers movies is equivalent to the upper tiers of MCU 3D movies. Bumblebee is one movie I have not been able to find. I might see if I have access to it in Bigscreen.

Thanks. When there is action, the 3D definitely amped up for the 3D Transformers films I saw in theaters, although for the rest of the film, it dipped down to just decent, medium layers. But yes, I can see your comparison to Marvel quality 3D films in general.

Hopefully for those who saw this in 3D, the 3D was on par with a Marvel film's 3D. I'll have to look back in this thread.

Originally Posted by BLMN

I finally watched the 3D, was not impressed with this movie at all. Now I agree with the decision of more showings of aquaman 3D instead.

Originally Posted by Interdimensional

3D is fine. Deep compositions, incidental out of screen elements, strong in Cybertronian sequences. Better than Spiderverse 3D, but not on the level of something like Fantastic Beasts.

Originally Posted by BLMN

I wouldnt say mediocre, average at best. The trailer for Avengers: End Game had much better 3D.

Originally Posted by UFAlien

I thought this movie was fantastic. Second-favorite film of the year (out of 39 I've seen). 3D was also, IMO, very good. Plenty of pop-outs, solid depth, few conversion errors. If Paramount doesn't release a 3D Blu-ray then they can go suck a you know what.

Originally Posted by Wootini

Just got back from a 3D showing of Bumblebee and I have to disagree with those saying the 3D was minimal. Yes, the scenes on Cybertron that are all CGI had the best depth, but I thought the whole movie was a pretty solid conversion. And much like with Ant-Man, the 3D was used to nice effect when showing the size difference like when huge Bumblebee was poking at a tiny soda can. There were plenty of pop-outs with debris and sparks flying into the camera during action scenes, as well as gun/cannon barrels. A few shots could've been cropped a little wider for better 3D effect, but still, a worthy effort. And the movie was also entertaining enough in its own right. (Sure, it's a total rip-off of The Iron Giant, but hey - if you're gonna steal, steal from the best, right?)

(Oh, and this is a positive review of the 3D even though the particular screening I saw had a projection error that made the very top sliver of the screen fade to black. Thankfully the sliver wasn't so large as to be distracting. It was just a softer edge than the sides and bottom)

I would definitely buy this if Paramount put out a 3D Blu-ray, but I'm not optimistic. It doesn't seem like anyone is really releasing 3D Blus anymore. Which is why I'm glad that I have AMC A-List now because it means I can see movies in 3D as part of my subscription and enjoy them on the big screen since I'll never get to see them over and over again in 3D at home anymore.

Thanks for the 3D reviews of Bumblebee. So it sounds pretty decent to very good then, maybe medium 3D layers or better.

[Jlardonio]

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

Thanks. When there is action, the 3D definitely amped up for the 3D Transformers films I saw in theaters, although for the rest of the film, it dipped down to just decent, medium layers. But yes, I can see your comparison to Marvel quality 3D films in general.

Hopefully for those who saw this in 3D, the 3D was on par with a Marvel film's 3D. I'll have to look back in this thread.
Thanks for the 3D reviews of Bumblebee. So it sounds pretty decent to very good then, maybe medium 3D layers or better.

People complained with its 3D being almost flat. I tend to ignore some of these observations since most cinemas since early times have been subpar with movies on blu-ray 3D and there are others that just like to beat on the Transformers franchise because they were made by Michael Bay and made huge amounts of money even with bad reviews.

[cdx47]

It's not available in the UK. I can see it in Spain and attempt to order it but it won't let me verify my email address to complete the purchase.

[Zivouhr]

Originally Posted by Jlardonio

People complained with its 3D being almost flat. I tend to ignore some of these observations since most cinemas since early times have been subpar with movies on blu-ray 3D and there are others that just like to beat on the Transformers franchise because they were made by Michael Bay and made huge amounts of money even with bad reviews.

I hear what you're saying Jlardonio. While there are scenes that could've pushed the 3D further, there are also some impressive stereo 3D layers of strong 3D in The Last Knight Transformers, that are nice to see for sure.

Have you been able to see Bumblebee's 3D in theaters? I didn't see it in 3D but if a blu ray 3D disc eventually appears in the future, I will consider it.

I'm not a big fan of what Michael Bay has done with the Transformers compared to the animated Generation 1 series of the 80s, but to be able to separate that from reviewing the 3D is important, I agree.

[Jlardonio]

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

I hear what you're saying Jlardonio. While there are scenes that could've pushed the 3D further, there are also some impressive stereo 3D layers of strong 3D in The Last Knight Transformers, that are nice to see for sure.

Have you been able to see Bumblebee's 3D in theaters? I didn't see it in 3D but if a blu ray 3D disc eventually appears in the future, I will consider it.

I'm not a big fan of what Michael Bay has done with the Transformers compared to the animated Generation 1 series of the 80s, but to be able to separate that from reviewing the 3D is important, I agree.

I didn't watched Bumblebee in 3D because back then i thought that Paramount was going to release it in 3D and then a few days or a month later they said no more blu-ray 3D from them.
I got heart broken since i'm a big fan and have all the movies from the live franchise. Since then i have tried to go to the cinemas to watch these movies in 3D because there could be a lack of supply of these movies in 3D on physical format. A hard lesson to remember.

[Zivouhr]

Originally Posted by Jlardonio

I didn't watched Bumblebee in 3D because back then i thought that Paramount was going to release it in 3D and then a few days or a month later they said no more blu-ray 3D from them.
I got heart broken since i'm a big fan and have all the movies from the live franchise. Since then i have tried to go to the cinemas to watch these movies in 3D because there could be a lack of supply of these movies in 3D on physical format. A hard lesson to remember.

Good point that it's good to experience them at least one time if possible in 3D theaters, and to show support for the 3D format in theaters and at home too, even though many studios/distributors don't appreciate 3D fans very much these days with a few exceptions.

The action scenes and transformations are cool, especially in 3D.

[cdx47]

Ok I finally got access to watch Bumblebee in 3D. I don't know why some say the 3D is weak because that's not what I am looking at right now. The 3D is most effective whenever there are Transformers on screen, but the best scenes are in Cybertron which look incredible.

I haven't bought the 4K disc but I would definitely buy this.

[Jlardonio]

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

Good point that it's good to experience them at least one time if possible in 3D theaters, and to show support for the 3D format in theaters and at home too, even though many studios/distributors don't appreciate 3D fans very much these days with a few exceptions.

The action scenes and transformations are cool, especially in 3D.

It becomes a whole new movie. The immersion becomes real... as in 2D you are just an spectator.

[thestrangestick]

Originally Posted by trialobite

The 3D in the movie is solid, to my eyes it looked like a good conversion, on par with other 2017/2018 films, but the quality of the stream isn't great so it was a little harder to judge overall, some of the details get lost. I've got a 500mpbs fiber connection and my PC is plugged in through ethernet, but Bigscreen still pushes the video through at a fairly low bitrate. It's watchable, but much closer to DVD quality than Bluray.

I wonder if the quality also relates to your VR headset or if that is just the maximum quality BigScreen can possibly offer. I'd love to try and make a normal 3D version of this using the VR stream, but if the quality is close to DVD there might not be much point.

[Zivouhr]

Originally Posted by cdx47

Ok I finally got access to watch Bumblebee in 3D. I don't know why some say the 3D is weak because that's not what I am looking at right now. The 3D is most effective whenever there are Transformers on screen, but the best scenes are in Cybertron which look incredible.

I haven't bought the 4K disc but I would definitely buy this.

Cool, thanks for the feedback on the 3D.

Originally Posted by Jlardonio

It becomes a whole new movie. The immersion becomes real... as in 2D you are just an spectator.

I agree that the stronger the 3D is, the more immersive a film can look. Stereo 3D can be an amazing visual improvement over 2D when they push it enough to be effective.

Maybe in the future they will finally put Bumblebee on blu ray 3D.

[trialobite]

Originally Posted by thestrangestick

I wonder if the quality also relates to your VR headset or if that is just the maximum quality BigScreen can possibly offer. I'd love to try and make a normal 3D version of this using the VR stream, but if the quality is close to DVD there might not be much point.

I actually did give it a try on both an Oculus Quest 2 through the Oculus store version of the Bigscreen app, and on a Vive Pro 2 with the Steam version. Unfortunately the streaming quality was identical for both, as well as viewing it on my monitor through the built-in mirror of the VR view. The only way to record the stream would be to record the mirror of the VR view, but this would degrade the quality even farther and you'd have to deal with distortion as well.

[cdx47]

The latest update of Big screen claims it has improved streaming quality and to be fair, Bumblebee did look nice. The difference is that before before it was just about watchable. Now I would be ok watching this. I don't know if this spikes to other films but there does seem to be an improvement.

[thestrangestick]

Originally Posted by trialobite

I actually did give it a try on both an Oculus Quest 2 through the Oculus store version of the Bigscreen app, and on a Vive Pro 2 with the Steam version. Unfortunately the streaming quality was identical for both, as well as viewing it on my monitor through the built-in mirror of the VR view. The only way to record the stream would be to record the mirror of the VR view, but this would degrade the quality even farther and you'd have to deal with distortion as well.

Quality degradation through screen record is not too much of a concern at Blu-ray bitrates where the bitrate is healthy enough to basically present the stream as it was originally perceived. There could be some minor loss there, but only incredibly minor. The end goal of all of this would be to make an ISO, potentially with some AI upscaling, as has been the goal with past 3D ‘underground’ releases lol.

The bigger thing would be the distortion you mention, but in my head the logic is if you can either set your headset to a completely neutral positioning through software or just laying it as flat as possible, you’ll have two consistent 3D views that you could fix back to something like the original with editing software. This is all speculative of course and you should probably PM me about it if you want to discuss it further.

What would be far better and easier for everyone involved would be if they offered us a 3D Blu-ray to spend our money on

[sebastatu]

Originally Posted by trialobite

I actually did give it a try on both an Oculus Quest 2 through the Oculus store version of the Bigscreen app, and on a Vive Pro 2 with the Steam version. Unfortunately the streaming quality was identical for both, as well as viewing it on my monitor through the built-in mirror of the VR view. The only way to record the stream would be to record the mirror of the VR view, but this would degrade the quality even farther and you'd have to deal with distortion as well.

How did you manage to view this on your desktop? I would like to watch this on my Oled 3D TV. but I can only see bigscreen movies through Oculus rift headset, which is not the best quality. Is the Built in mirror view an external app? or maybe Im missing something? Please let me know.

Thank you,

[Joe D.]

I gather this still isn't available on Blu-ray 3D. Been looking.

[cdx47]

Originally Posted by Joe D.

I gather this isn't available on Blu-ray 3D. Been looking.

Correct. Only available in VR and maybe streaming too?. The 3D is very decent, especially for the action scenes so I'm going to try and watch the whole movie today.

[8traxrule]

Grasping at straws but can it be watched on an iphone? If so I could then cast it to my TV.

[thestrangestick]

Originally Posted by sebastatu

How did you manage to view this on your desktop? I would like to watch this on my Oled 3D TV. but I can only see bigscreen movies through Oculus rift headset, which is not the best quality. Is the Built in mirror view an external app? or maybe Im missing something? Please let me know.

Thank you,

Sounds like the kind of avenue I’ve been interested in. You can stream/broadcast/record your VR experience through something like OBS while using it (I believe bigscreen even has built in recording). I was worried they might have some kind of protection on it during movie playback but it sounds like they don’t. That doesn’t mean it’s an official or even unofficial way of playing back your VR movie straight onto a 3D tv though. It would take a little bit of computer work to turn that stream into a file you could use on a 3D TV. Still, if you’ve legally rented it I say go for it!

[cdx47]

Finally sat down to watch this film. Great intro, boring 10-15 minutes then it starts to pick up again. The first Transformers film is still my favourite but watching this in 3D really made a difference to my enjoyment of the film.

The picture quality for Big screen really has improved. It's about the same quality as I used to watch 3D films with good daylight scenes but a sometimes a little bitrate starved for low light scenes.