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Old 06-11-2007, 07:35 AM   #1
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Default Take it easy on the HD DVD camp

Hi Guys,

Been lurking in this site for quite some time now. Great site for researching the blu-ray format and releases. I've been a Sony/Samsung fan (from home entertainment to consoles to even celphones) for along time and have stuck with them due to my personal experience with their quality. I admit i was hesitant with the PS3 because it meant i had to get into this High def format war, but after some research and of course nothing beats actual use, i'm 100% confident that not only did i get a great potential gaming machine but inadvertently became an early adopter to the WINNING next gen format.

During my research though, i saw (and still see, especially with that Bill Hunt report) a lot of flaming from both sides of each camp trying to diss the other. I don't know why we, being the winning side, need to rant on the HD DVD guys. Yes, some of their arguments are so biased and uninformed that it is tempting to retaliate, but i think we really don't need to. How would we feel if we invested between $500-$1,000 or more! of our hard earned cash, only to get the feeling of impending obsolecence by the next year (kinda like i felt with my betamax, lol). Really, i feel for them, I think its only natural for them to defend their choice to let off some steam, so lets please stop dissing them on their own turf or even flaming them when they troll on our turf. Its not cool to kick someone when they're down

Whats to argue? Superior specs (larger storage, longer durability), Greater studio support (Sony, the co-developer of Blu-ray, is also a major studio lol), Greater manufacturer support, and more recent blockbuster titles. These are all HARD FACTS, and both sides know it. I won't even cite sales figures cuz overall they are too small to be relevant at this point.
So relax guys, i was a noob to high def video and i found all this out with simple research, i'm sure many will also.

Cheers!
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Old 06-11-2007, 07:47 AM   #2
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'Why can't we all just... get along'

But seriously, I tend to agree. It has gotten silly (especially when you visit AVS). It's just that some of the fanbois get personal very fast. I can't blame some of the fellow Blu-rayers if they feel the urge to retalliate. But overall, yes, let's be kind
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Old 06-11-2007, 08:51 AM   #3
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I agree but we must also keep educating those who are getting ready to buy so they will not make a purchasing mistake. There are still many people who would sell their own mother on HD-DVD. The HD-DVD zealots need to be balanced with reasoned posts from the Blu community.
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Old 06-11-2007, 09:06 AM   #4
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we must also keep educating those who are getting ready to buy so they will not make a purchasing mistake.
I agree
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Old 06-11-2007, 12:01 PM   #5
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Well I agree that we should refrain from "flaming" and putting out untruths. However, I don't think we should feel reticent about putting out facts to counter the steady stream of lies that HD-DVD fanboys put out. Should everyone know all the facts about HD-DVD & Blu-ray, Blu-ray is the logical choice for your Hi-def media. HD-DVD "fans" persist in putting out rediculous misinformation. And that should be countered.
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Old 06-11-2007, 01:03 PM   #6
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I like your post kindredwolf! It gets to be like politics sometimes - one side flames so the other "speaks their language".

I don't get into it myself but I don't mind seeing BR defending itself for this very reason:
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I agree but we must also keep educating those who are getting ready to buy so they will not make a purchasing mistake. There are still many people who would sell their own mother on HD-DVD. The HD-DVD zealots need to be balanced with reasoned posts from the Blu community.
The thought of my wife surprising me on my birthday with a HDDVD player because "I overheard some people in the store say that HDDVD is better because <insert BS statement>" sends chills down my spine!
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Old 06-11-2007, 01:34 PM   #7
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And, just for the record...

Bill Hunt's commentary was respectful, intelligent, and truthful. It was not the kind of flame that the original poster offered it as an example of, but a response to an untruthful and disrespectful commentary by an apparently newly formed (and ill-informed) HD DVD enthusiast with some clout in the community.
Bill Hunt's commentary did not disparage the HD DVD format, specifically stating more than once that it produces excellent video and audio when the transfers are done correctly (poorly done transfers being an ever-present plague on both formats) and not focussing on what many Blu-ray enthusiasts see as superior capabilities of their favorite format (greater storage capacity, higher maximum bit-rate, BD-Java, etc.) but on the actual state of affairs in which the consumer lives and breathes. With only one HD DVD exclusive studio, only one major equipment manufacturer, etc., the end *seems* to be (and he clearly states that if the field changes he will change his position accordingly) a forgone conclusion according to Bill, and unless HD DVD has something more to show that the harder they push the more of a disservice they will be doing to their supporters and the community as a whole.

It may not be what HD DVD supporters want to hear - and it's by no means the last word - but it's anything other than a flame.

Just thought that needed to be said for the record.
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Old 06-11-2007, 01:46 PM   #8
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^^ Good post, but I think the OP didn't object to civil discussions in a Bill Hunt manner, but to below-the-waist-belt flaming type of comments.
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Old 06-11-2007, 01:52 PM   #9
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Itís Karma. HD-DVD users get what they deserve.
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Old 06-11-2007, 01:54 PM   #10
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^^ Good post, but I think the OP didn't object to civil discussions in a Bill Hunt manner, but to below-the-waist-belt flaming type of comments.
You mean like so many of the responses Bill got from the HD-DVD zealots after he posted that factual ownage?


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It’s Karma. HD-DVD users get what they deserve.
Especially if they come here deliberately looking to start fights like we had happen over the weekend.

I agree about us not deliberately going out to stir up fights, but I certainly think people are well within their rights and definitely should stand up for the truth and make the facts known in as civil a manner as possible vs. sitting on their hands and letting the world go by.
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Old 06-11-2007, 02:08 PM   #11
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You mean like so many of the responses Bill got from the HD-DVD zealots after he posted that factual ownage?
Yes, those are the ones...

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I agree about us not deliberately going out to stir up fights, but I certainly think people are well within their rights and definitely should stand up for the truth and make the facts known in as civil a manner as possible vs. sitting on their hands and letting the world go by.
I agree 100%
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Old 06-11-2007, 03:40 PM   #12
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We must also keep educating those who are getting ready to buy so they will not make a purchasing mistake.
I agree. Anyone know where I can get a bumper sticker "Piss on HD DVD"?
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Old 06-11-2007, 03:47 PM   #13
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Who's Bill Hunt and where can i find his statements?
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Old 06-11-2007, 04:00 PM   #14
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Who's Bill Hunt and where can i find his statements?
Bill Hunt's the chief editor of the Digital Bits, a highly-respected DVD news website. Here's the thread about the Blu-ray rant he posted recently.
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Old 06-11-2007, 04:00 PM   #15
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Whats to argue? Superior specs (larger storage, longer durability), Greater studio support (Sony, the co-developer of Blu-ray, is also a major studio lol), Greater manufacturer support, and more recent blockbuster titles. These are all HARD FACTS, and both sides know it. I won't even cite sales figures cuz overall they are too small to be relevant at this point.
So relax guys, i was a noob to high def video and i found all this out with simple research, i'm sure many will also.
I spent a great deal of time on AVMS for years "fighting the good fight", but it has turned out to be unnecessary.

In the end people decide based on many pieces of information. Like walking into a Best Buy and checking the shelves. I expect what people say on a forum has little influence.

The summer blockbuster releases couple with Q4 inexpensive BD players will all but end the war.

Gary
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Old 06-11-2007, 04:01 PM   #16
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Pff... I don't want to be anti-HD DVD. I want to educate people about the formats, but what they'll choose - in the end - is their personal choice imho. But they should be educated first to escape the FUD.
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Old 06-11-2007, 04:12 PM   #17
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They'll eventually realize their mistake when they discover they can't get movies by Blu-ray exclusive movie studios like Disney, Buena Vista, Sony Pictures Home Entertainment, Columbia Tri-Star, Twentieth Century Fox, MGM, United Artist, Lionsgate, Miramax, etc.
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Old 06-11-2007, 04:24 PM   #18
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^^ Good post, but I think the OP didn't object to civil discussions in a Bill Hunt manner, but to below-the-waist-belt flaming type of comments.
The OP's post said:
During my research though, i saw (and still see, especially with that Bill Hunt report) a lot of flaming from both sides of each camp trying to diss the other.

I think that's pretty straight forward. It's possible that he didn't mean to say that Bill Hunt's commentary was a flame, but that's certainly the most straightforward interpretation of the statement.
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Old 06-11-2007, 04:33 PM   #19
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We are at war.

You have to do what it takes to win.

But, it is all in good fun. Unless you have HD DVD Technologies!
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Old 06-11-2007, 04:35 PM   #20
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I think what the poster is saying, is enough with the whole "HD-DuD" comments and all that. Also, I believe he meant the thread with the Bill Hunt article in it. Not Bill Hunt's actual article.
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