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Old 05-15-2019, 09:36 PM   #9441
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I have read many of this author's articles about LG and OLED TVs, all very seriously exagerated. I've posted my respecful replies and they have never gone live. I've also written to the publisher several times and have never had a reply.

LG and OLED is alive and well and LG has very agressive plans on the continued growth that are not changing. This year we'll see 88" 8K LG OLED TVs and for 2020 LG's new OLED factory will be in full swing.

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Old 05-15-2019, 10:08 PM   #9442
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Your info and mine are identical. It doesn’t make sense for LG to stop OLED as they essentially supply the entire world’s worth of OLED ready to use panels and OLED screen components (in the case of the upcoming Panasonic GZ2000 series)
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Old 05-15-2019, 10:23 PM   #9443
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Did you guys read the full article Paul just posted earlier this morning?

Please do, here it is again:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/fear-a...arket-squeeze/

After reading it in full you'll have a much better picture of the real situation.
OLED is with us for few more years; I wouldn't sweat it.
Technologies and innovations are always advancing; nothing last forever if you cannot develop in this increasingly competitive market. Just read the complete article and see what you make of it...OLED TV owners and dealers.

Me I'm happy today. I'm not worry about tomorrow; tomorrow can take care of itself without me worrying today.

And yes, the article is brand new from this morning...freshly released.

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Old 05-15-2019, 11:20 PM   #9444
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I remember (as most of you) Panasonic Plasma TVs which I though delivered an outstanding picture. Due to economic and technical reasons Panasonic decided to abandon the technology. The same happened with Samsung DLP TVs. All technologies have a life span (even CRT TVs).
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Old 05-15-2019, 11:26 PM   #9445
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Sure... when there is something better the technology will be abandoned. Currently there is nothing is better yet and all manufacturers already have the OLED production ready for 2020.
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Old 05-15-2019, 11:45 PM   #9446
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I find that hard to believe, they are extremely popular. Even if it was true, Iíll be holding on to my OLED like people held on to their Kuroís. Until it dies.
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Old 05-16-2019, 12:41 AM   #9447
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I find that hard to believe, they are extremely popular. Even if it was true, I’ll be holding on to my OLED like people held on to their Kuro’s. Until it dies.
That's very good what you've just said. In video forums many people are still happy with their Pioneer Kuro plasma 1080p TVs. And how many years it has been since Pioneer stopped production?

I think we are going to see a similar phenomena with LG OLED TVs when they stop making those panels. ...And other brands using those same panels.

The question is: How much more life is there in OLED?
Me I have zero clue...it all depends of how long it would take till improvements are to a standstill, and of how long till other technologies take over.
The article Paul posted reflects in part on this aspect.

HDR is @ its best appearance (most comfortable zone) when fully rendering its optimal potential. ...Highest nits.
If you compare last year's OLED models with this year's models it gives us an idea of where things are going.

Anyway it's my own view, my own interpretation.
I could be wrong and it wouldn't be a cataclysm.

Front projectors need all the HDR help they can get, same as OLED.
And front projectors aren't prone to burn-in issues...only the bulbs...not the displays.
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Old 05-16-2019, 12:47 AM   #9448
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Sure... when there is something better the technology will be abandoned. Currently there is nothing is better yet and all manufacturers already have the OLED production ready for 2020.
As long as burn-in issues remain and light output is still low in comparison to other technologies, not to mention the lifespan of certain colors of OLED lasting longer than others...I'm not interested.
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Old 05-16-2019, 04:03 AM   #9449
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Default OLED burn in tested by RTINGS

https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real...d-burn-in-test

They don't expect most people to have a problem with burn in.
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Old 05-16-2019, 04:30 AM   #9450
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1000 nits post calibration not bright enough for you?
Not when my set can do 2000

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https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real...d-burn-in-test

They don't expect most people to have a problem with burn in.
I'm not "most people" - games, letterboxed movies, PC desktop, etc.
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Old 05-16-2019, 09:10 AM   #9451
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DanBa, you should do one of those for streamers and disc players
Sorry, more time should be required, and for the time being I am busy with some works.
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Old 05-16-2019, 10:25 AM   #9452
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Not when my set can do 2000



I'm not "most people" - games, letterboxed movies, PC desktop, etc.
When you're spending literally thousands on a TV you should be able to watch whatever the heck you like. If you have to baby the TV then it isn't fit for purpose.

We have a slight screen burn logo on our TV and we now only watch Movies and TV. No news channels, no games, nothing with any static logos.
Brilliant image but I will be glad when we eventually upgrade to MicroLED.
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Yes and no. OLED is like a performance car. You can spend hundreds of thousands for a Huracan, and you can’t take it offroading.
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Yes and no. OLED is like a performance car. You can spend hundreds of thousands for a Huracan, and you can’t take it offroading.
So news channels are unreasonable viewing? I have the YouTube logo burnt into the picture. Is YouTube unreasonable viewing? Especially seeing as the YT app comes with the TV.
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Old 05-16-2019, 12:07 PM   #9455
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I’m actually very confused why YT and NEws channel can have that much of an impact. I use a Pana FZ1000 OLED and watch a load of YT and CNN-style news channel (CP24 channel in Canada). I calibrate my TV. And still to this day I don’t have any burn-in.
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Old 05-16-2019, 12:21 PM   #9456
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I remember (as most of you) Panasonic Plasma TVs which I though delivered an outstanding picture. Due to economic and technical reasons Panasonic decided to abandon the technology. The same happened with Samsung DLP TVs. All technologies have a life span (even CRT TVs).
Plasma TV production ended for a couple reasons, but mostly because of CA stricter Engenry Star restrictions as they draw more current then LCD displays. The second reason was the manufacturing cost was significantly higer than LCD panel costs.

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As long as burn-in issues remain and light output is still low in comparison to other technologies, not to mention the lifespan of certain colors of OLED lasting longer than others...I'm not interested.
Please consider that although it's true that some LCD TVs can deliver close to 2k Nits vs, OLED that is about 840 Nits, it's the contrast ratio that that delivers the most pleasing and dynamic HDR image and OLED is the clear winner.

Only OLED TVs that start the dynamic tonal range at 0 luminance and when you see an HDR image that starts with a pure black floor and goes up to OLED's peak luminance the image pop and realistic look outperforms any LCD TV, even the one or two that can almost reach 2k Nits.

OLED's emissive technology has no halo or glow around bright objects displayed against a dark background and owners enjoy pure black CinemaScope cropping bars and much better off axis performance vs. all LCD displays.

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So news channels are unreasonable viewing? I have the YouTube logo burnt into the picture. Is YouTube unreasonable viewing? Especially seeing as the YT app comes with the TV.
You can watch news channels, YouTube and other content with static logos with an OLED TV. What you should not do is watch content with the same static logo for more than 2 hrs every day and not watch other content.

The proof is that the vast majority of OLED TV owners do not have burn-in.

With all this said, OLED is not for everyone and cost more than most LCD TVs.

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You can watch news channels, YouTube and other content with static logos with an OLED TV. What you should not do is watch content with the same static logo for more than 2 hrs every day and not watch other content.

The proof is that the vast majority of OLED TV owners do not have burn-in.

With all this said, OLED is not for everyone and cost more than most LCD TVs.
You can only take my word for it, but you won't believe how much I've babied my TV to still have screen burn-in. The YT logo is on the search screen so you can imagine that the logo is on screen for minutes, if not seconds at a time.
Good luck to the people that have no problems, I have burn-in despite going out of my way to avoid it and going so far as to not even watch news channels or play and games.

As a side note, I could have gotten panel changed as the exchange of panel was approved but I would have lost 3D and 3D on a passive OLED screen is even better than movies and my burn-in is minor and not even noticeable on 90% of content.
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Old 05-16-2019, 12:34 PM   #9458
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Try running the clear panel noise app to clean the screen. Which OLED TV do you own?
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Try running the clear panel noise app to clean the screen. Which OLED TV do you own?
Definitely screen burn-in. The YT logo is bright red so it has eaten away at the peak brightness for the red pixels.

LG OLED 65GV

If LG really wanted to help prevent screen burn-in would be to give the user the ability to manually select an area of the screen and then dim that area.
For example, if you were watching Sky, you create a rectangle and then drag it over the new bar and then dim that area. Problem solved.

OLED gives a brilliant image but screen burn is a major pain.
I had a plasma screen for 10 years and had no problems and I was using it as a computer monitor. If I used my OLED as a computer monitor I'd destroy it in a month.
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Please consider that although it's true that some LCD TVs can deliver close to 2k Nits vs, OLED that is about 840 Nits, it's the contrast ratio that that delivers the most pleasing and dynamic HDR image and OLED is the clear winner.

Only OLED TVs that start the dynamic tonal range at 0 luminance and when you see an HDR image that starts with a pure black floor and goes up to OLED's peak luminance the image pop and realistic look outperforms any LCD TV, even the one or two that can almost reach 2k Nits.

OLED's emissive technology has no halo or glow around bright objects displayed against a dark background and owners enjoy pure black CinemaScope cropping bars and much better off axis performance vs. all LCD displays.
While good contrast is a fundamental cornerstone in getting good HDR, it's disingenuous to claim that it is the only thing needed for good HDR because it's a system built that is built around absolute luminance. That's a fact, and all these things like dynamic metadata and HDR Optimisers are merely agents of compromise when you really stand back and analyse them.

The same is very much true in the reverse though, that it's not solely about high luminance either, and contrast is perhaps still the most important part of the equation but this is why having a combination of great contrast and great brightness unfettered by ASBL and ABL is the utimate goal for HDR and is why I wouldn't trade my ZD9 for anything right now; I'd rather have good contrast and great luminance rather than great contrast and good luminance. Of course it's flawed up the wazoo, it's an LCD TV, but time after time after time I keep watching stuff on it and it still takes my breath away (do I get a point for a Top Gun reference?), it's extraordinary how over-engineered this TV was at the time.
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