Billie Eilish: The World's a Little Blurry (2021) - February 26, 2021

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by Bugg

There was never even a shred of proof that she was being harassed on instagram. Tran never said she was either. Nobody ever provided any screen caps. I mean we are in a time where if Joe Blow at the meat packing plant said something racist on Myspace 15 years ago, it will be found and used to get him fired today. Yet somehow Tran who had over 200k followers, was being harassed by vile racists and misogynists without anyone seeing it happen or her even saying it happened. Amazing! All of the stories that were ran about it, were all sourced from a single tweet by some random unofficial Star Wars site. But that was good enough because because the people who wanted to push the narrative that anyone who disliked Last Jedi was some toxic manbaby, just ran with their confirmation bias.

Yep it is all made up. Wrong.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...an-deleted-her

[Bugg]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Yep it is all made up. Wrong.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...an-deleted-her

I see a ching chong post and a bunch of people talking about how harassed she was without anything to back it up. If that's what classifies as harassment, then every single person with a social media account has been harassed. Also they took most of the Rose Tico comments from other web sites that are not part of her social media. That's like saying Billie Eilish was harassed because someone on Bluray.com said she was ugly. All your link does is prove to me the story was a big fat nothing burger.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by Bugg

I see a ching chong post and a bunch of people talking about how harassed she was without anything to back it up. If that's what classifies as harassment, then every single person with a social media account has been harassed. Also they took most of the Rose Tico comments from other web sites that are not part of her social media. That's like saying Billie Eilish was harassed because someone on Bluray.com said she was ugly. All your link does is prove to me the story was a big fat nothing burger.

Its Twitter. Its a bastion for total blabbery and BS. Nothing there is legit or factual whatsoever.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by Bugg

I see a ching chong post and a bunch of people talking about how harassed she was without anything to back it up. If that's what classifies as harassment, then every single person with a social media account has been harassed. Also they took most of the Rose Tico comments from other web sites that are not part of her social media. That's like saying Billie Eilish was harassed because someone on Bluray.com said she was ugly. All your link does is prove to me the story was a big fat nothing burger.

[HotTastyChili]

Originally Posted by jayman3

Toxic masculinity and male insecurity at its best.

The ol' being a man is toxic and weak crap again. Maybe they're just hateful individuals and it has nothing to do with their gender? Maybe they're just having a laugh at her expense? You can argue the ethics of the latter until you're blue in the face, but there's no need to generalize an entire gender as "toxic" just because its deemed socially acceptable by the moral police, and because you disapprove of what a few guys on the Internet are saying. I see and hear way more women putting people (including other women) down for their appearance than I do men, but would never chock it up to characteristics inherent to their gender. Why even specify male in your insecurity assumption? Wouldn't just plain old regular "insecurity" suffice without the bitter aftertaste of blatant sexism?

I'm not a Billie fan, but I respect her for writing her own material with only her brother as help. Most pop stars need 13 co-writers and as many producers to make one song nowadays. Disgraceful. Her appearance is totally inconsequential to me. I've seen far more outrageous looking musicians in the past.

[Pro Grain]

Billy Eilish is weak, tbh

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by HotTastyChili

Why even specify male in your insecurity assumption? Wouldn't just plain old regular "insecurity" suffice without the bitter aftertaste of blatant sexism?

Because we never see posts from guys complaining about a male actor/musician being in a film/documentary because they aren't attractive enough.

Because certain posters have a history of bans for genderphobic and sexist hate speech.

[BreakfastClub211]

Originally Posted by HotTastyChili

The ol' being a man is toxic and weak crap again.

The concept of toxic masculinity and simply "being a man is toxic" are not the same thing.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by BreakfastClub211

The concept of toxic masculinity and simply "being a man is toxic" are not the same thing.

What exactly is toxic masculinity anyways? Sounds like one of those "labels" that get slapped on people for "reasons". Like it’s no longer cool to be muscular, strong, etc. No alpha males allowed. No chopping wood or being a hunter/gatherer.

My oh my.

[jayman3]

Also, let’s not get this thread locked.

[Martoto]

It's like it's no longer cool to blithely slander, condemn or vilify people based simply on their perceived lack of attractiveness, lack of sex appeal, unwillingness to conform to old stereotypes and gender ideals. And no longer cool for people to make themselves feel better by perpetuating those notions and imposing them on every aspect of the culture.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by jayman3

Also, let’s not get this thread locked.

True. Nevermind, I have to go lift weights and then hunt for dinner.

[HipsterTrash]

Never really liked her music. Good for her for working hard to get where she has gotten.

Though when I think of her, I think of her slight hypocrisy to body positivity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTSQEMRXA5c

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by HipsterTrash

Never really liked her music. Good for her for working hard to get where she has gotten.

Though when I think of her, I think of her slight hypocrisy to body positivity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTSQEMRXA5c

I don't see it. She's talking about someone compensating for their body insecurity by wearing a brand name. Traditionally we associate owning a Ferrari or some other big name sports car with that mentality.

It's still a daft thing to say but it doesn't make her a hypocrite for explaining that she feels more comfortable wearing the size of clothes that she chooses to than what she's expected to.

[JayTL]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

What exactly is toxic masculinity anyways? Sounds like one of those "labels" that get slapped on people for "reasons". Like it’s no longer cool to be muscular, strong, etc. No alpha males allowed. No chopping wood or being a hunter/gatherer.

My oh my.

I would say finding any reason to hate on a female, especially because of her looks, on an anonymous internet forum because of your their own insecurities would be considered toxic masculinity. I'd even say commenting on a film you don't want to see by saying what has been said in this topic (nothing to do with the media at all, just another reason to hate on a teenage woman) would also be considered toxic (I'm not going to say toxic masculinity. Just being toxic is enough)

Originally Posted by jayman3

Also, let’s not get this thread locked.

Yea, let's just talk about the merits of the documentary. For the 2-3 people who've watched it lol

[HipsterTrash]

Originally Posted by Martoto

I don't see it. She's talking about someone compensating for their body insecurity by wearing a brand name. Traditionally we associate owning a Ferrari or some other big name sports car with that mentality.

It's still a daft thing to say but it doesn't make her a hypocrite for explaining that she feels more comfortable wearing the size of clothes that she chooses to than what she's expected to.

It's shoes...A shoe brand. And she says it equates to the likes of those who buy a big truck.
Where as she wears big hoodies and that's how she likes her clothes. Chill.
But why isn't it chill if someone is saying the same about freaking Vans? It's Vans, a common shoe brand.

I just see it a bit hypocritical. But I understand she's young and still learning.
I remember her comment towards certain "tough" guy rappers and people called her racist for her emarks, which I didn't see it as that.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by HipsterTrash

It's shoes...A shoe brand. And she says it equates to the likes of those who buy a big truck.
Where as she wears big hoodies and that's how she likes her clothes.

She's talking about the trendiness (or conformism) of the Vans brand and the psychology of brand association. It doesn't compare with why she's asked to justify wearing clothing that doesn't show off her figure.

Nobody asks Vans wearers why they don't wear something else do they?

What's with the "chill"? We're discussing the point you raised.

[JayTL]

Originally Posted by Martoto

She's talking about the trendiness (or conformism) of the Vans brand and the psychology of brand association. It doesn't compare with why she's asked to justify wearing clothing that doesn't show off her figure.

Nobody asks Vans wearers why they don't wear something else do they?

What's with the "chill"? We're discussing the point you raised.

I think he's equating "chill" with the way she wears her clothes. Like "she looks very relaxed/chill" in them.

Originally Posted by HipsterTrash

It's shoes...A shoe brand. And she says it equates to the likes of those who buy a big truck.
Where as she wears big hoodies and that's how she likes her clothes. Chill.
But why isn't it chill if someone is saying the same about freaking Vans? It's Vans, a common shoe brand.

I just see it a bit hypocritical. But I understand she's young and still learning.
I remember her comment towards certain "tough" guy rappers and people called her racist for her emarks, which I didn't see it as that.

[jayman3]

Originally Posted by HotTastyChili

The ol' being a man is toxic and weak crap again. Maybe they're just hateful individuals and it has nothing to do with their gender? Maybe they're just having a laugh at her expense? You can argue the ethics of the latter until you're blue in the face, but there's no need to generalize an entire gender as "toxic" just because its deemed socially acceptable by the moral police, and because you disapprove of what a few guys on the Internet are saying. I see and hear way more women putting people (including other women) down for their appearance than I do men, but would never chock it up to characteristics inherent to their gender. Why even specify male in your insecurity assumption? Wouldn't just plain old regular "insecurity" suffice without the bitter aftertaste of blatant sexism?

I'm not a Billie fan, but I respect her for writing her own material with only her brother as help. Most pop stars need 13 co-writers and as many producers to make one song nowadays. Disgraceful. Her appearance is totally inconsequential to me. I've seen far more outrageous looking musicians in the past.

I would agree with your assessment. The only reason why I threw in those terms is because this forum has a long history with female-centric threads that get a LOT of hate that usually result in members being banned and Mods cleaning up after locking.

For example, Ghostbusters (2016), Captain Marvel, Birds of Prey, Black Widow, and now this. They all have the same common theme of female leads and share many comments such as some seen in here. And this forum has a largely male based demographic, so why is it they’re always attacking female-centric entertainment?

Originally Posted by JayTL

Yea, let's just talk about the merits of the documentary. For the 2-3 people who've watched it lol

I’m not much of a Billie fan, though if her music plays on the radio I don’t mind it. I saw ads for the documentary but am hard pressed if I want to devote 150 minutes of my time watching her.

It’s like country music. I can only tolerate so much before I get annoyed haha

Originally Posted by s2mikey

What exactly is toxic masculinity anyways? Sounds like one of those "labels" that get slapped on people for "reasons". Like it’s no longer cool to be muscular, strong, etc. No alpha males allowed. No chopping wood or being a hunter/gatherer.

My oh my.

Most toxic masculinity traits would be in the form of extreme self-reliance, the need to do everything on their own. Shaming, disassociating, or avoidance of showing emotional expressions as it’s seen being “weak.” Men shouldn’t cry and the only emotion they are allowed to show is anger and aggression.

Then there’s extreme aspiration to be dominate physically, sexually, and intellectually (man-splaining). And what’s seen in this thread as continual devaluation of women’s accomplishments, body appearance, and sense of self.

Hope that helps.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by jayman3

And this forum has a largely male based demographic, so why is it they’re always attacking female-centric entertainment?

It's not ALL men. Just Vans wearers.