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Old 08-08-2019, 05:45 PM   #1
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Hello, long time fan of this site and blu rays. A month ago my toddler threw a block at the middle of my Samsung 1080p tv, cracking it. So I went to Best Buy and purchased a HiSense 4K HDR Roku 65 inch tv. I did research and the reviews are excellent "great HDR!" "amazing picture" on several websites. I know its not name brand but I paid a good amount ($500) for the tv.

My 4K experience has been well...nonexistant. I have streamed 4K HDR from apps like Movies Anywhere, Vudu, Netflix, Youtube, and more. I cannot tell the difference between 4K HDR and 1080p. The only title that looks slightly better than blu ray has been Planet Earth on Netflix. Vudu looks soft and washed out, particulary with Avengers Endgame.

I put on a standard 1080p Blu ray on my Xbox and it blows "4K HDR" out of the water. Sharp edges, vibrant colors, just an amazing image.

I have checked all TV options, made sure HDR is coming on, etc.

Am I doing something wrong? Do I really need a 4K player to experience 4K HDR? I would like to know before I invest in a 4K players. I want the best video and audio experience. I prefer physical media.
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Old 08-08-2019, 06:10 PM   #2
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You may be looking for too big a difference while streaming. Make sure your data stream is actually sending you 4K. If your data rate is low, you may actually be streaming at 1080p, 1080i or even 720p.

The biggest difference is in 4K hdr bluray but you cannot use the same settings... or shouldn't. The source is quite difference. Even people comparing 4K bluray to Bluray should not be using the same settings, If you do, you're doing one of those, a disservice. While streaming, check options on your settings. You may have a rec 2020 setting you can boost up but I don't know the Hisense menu system at all. In short... tweak differently! Use whatever preset allows the most amount of options including possibly turning on a master setting for 4K hdr.
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Old 08-08-2019, 07:42 PM   #3
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Thank you for the information.

Its not a matter of looking for a big difference its the fact the 1080 blu ray looks way better than 4K streaming. Im not mad about it but its unexpected. I guess i'll have to get a 4K player to see if that is even better.
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Old 08-08-2019, 08:13 PM   #4
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Thank you for the information.

Its not a matter of looking for a big difference its the fact the 1080 blu ray looks way better than 4K streaming. Im not mad about it but its unexpected. I guess i'll have to get a 4K player to see if that is even better.
Unless you're paying for a premium service like Kaleidescape (I'm sure there are others too), a well mastered Blu-ray will generally be a superior experience than a 4K stream. A decent UHD Blu-ray will trounce a decent 4K stream everyday.

There's also the consideration that to get the most out of HDR and the wider color gamut, you need a set that provides over 1,000 nits, has a decent contrast ratio and can produce over 90% of the DCI-P3 colour gamut.

All these things can hamper, what's already in most cases a compressed stream.
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Old 08-08-2019, 08:18 PM   #5
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I've got a Hisense 4K set and Sony UHD player and reference discs are jaw-dropping. Put on Pacific Rim 4K Blu-ray with proper HDMI cables and you'll see what I mean.
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Old 08-08-2019, 08:39 PM   #6
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So i need a 4k player. thanks. will look into one now
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Old 08-10-2019, 04:18 PM   #7
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streaming 4k will largely depend on your internet. 4k disc on a 4k player to your 4k tv will give you the real 4k picture quality of your tv.

receiver( if using) and HDMI cables should be 4k capable too.
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Thank you for the information.

Its not a matter of looking for a big difference its the fact the 1080 blu ray looks way better than 4K streaming. Im not mad about it but its unexpected. I guess i'll have to get a 4K player to see if that is even better.
Generally when you stream movies, you lose video quality due to the compression, whether if its 4K or 1080p. To get an accurate comparison between 4K and standard 1080p, you'll have to compare the discs, not streaming.
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Old 08-10-2019, 05:50 PM   #9
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Which XBox do you have? The XBox One S and XBox One X both support 4K playback.
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Old 08-10-2019, 06:31 PM   #10
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To be very honest. With 4k you will need a higher end tv. It makes a huge difference. For example when comparing my lg oled c8 to my Vizio m series, its a huge difference in image quality. Both are 4k with hdr, but it's a night and day difference. 4k is not like 1080p, as with1080p you can get away with spending less and still get a nice picture. But for 4k you really do need to step up the game a bit more to see the impact. Trust me, you will not regret it. Hold off on the 4k player and keep that money for a higher end tv.

Edit: I typed this in a rush on my phone.
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Old 08-10-2019, 06:57 PM   #11
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The picture quality difference between 4K with HDR and 1080P even on budget priced TVs is HUGE.
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Old 08-10-2019, 06:59 PM   #12
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i stream plenty on any of my three 4K tv's. two with DV and one with HDR and everything looks amazing. some of the shows I've seen in 4K/HDR/DV look spectacular. White Dragon on Prime in 4K/HDR has some of the most beautiful HDR rendered cinematography I've seen and it's a BBC production, not a big studio production, but, it's beautiful to behold.

i'm not sure what your looking for or expecting. i will say that there are some 4K only that some 1080p looks almost the same, but not quite. having said that, once it's 4K/HDR/DV then, when done right, there is no doubt i'm watching something good then.

i don't know about your brand, but, my TCL's all look great for streaming 4K/HDR/DV.

yes, you should also be using a UHD player as that right now is the best way to take full advantage of your 4K tv as far as image quality. that physical media is still king. but, good streaming of well mastered content still looks really damn good!

also, how about just try enjoying it and not looking for a difference. it might have been staring you in the face, but, your too busy trying to break it down. just let it happen.
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Old 08-10-2019, 07:08 PM   #13
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a 4K stream is pretty much equal to a 1080p Blu-ray but the HDR makes the 4K better...some of the recent Disney 4K releases like Infinity War look better then the 1080p Blu-ray
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I didn't see the difference without HDR. That being said, I'm not paying to upgrade all my stuff to 4K. I will probably stick with regular Blu-ray at this point since I am pretty heavily invested in that format.
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Also remember many films of the 21st century are still being finished with a 2K DI even if the original filming was done at a higher resolution (native film or digital camera capture). UHD really relies on a wider color gamut and HDR to differentiate from HD in the REC709 colorspace. It's pretty hard to differentiate the resolution improvement between 2K/HD and 4K/UHD on a 65-in screen at a typical viewing distance.
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4K is known as Ultra High Definition (UHD), whilst 1080P is simply labelled High Definition. As their names imply, 4K UHD has a considerably higher resolution than 1080P HD video. 4K resolution is exactly 3840 x 2160 pixels, whilst 1080P consists of 1920 x 1080 pixels.

The 4K designation refers to the close to 4000 horizontal pixels. Traditionally, resolution had been labelled according to vertical pixels and in the case of 1080P, 1080 vertical lines make up that high definition resolution. By comparison, 4K features 2160 pixels vertically; a considerable increase.

At an aspect ratio of 16:9, 4K contains almost four times the number of pixels on a screen compared with 1080P technology - more than eight million pixels for 4K and just two million pixels for 1080P.
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i can tell 4k has no color, i returned my player and will never buy or watch a uhd disc again.
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