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Old 06-30-2022, 05:09 PM   #781
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Just pre-ordered mine... total was like $99 USD from Amazon JP LMAO! but totally worth it for me!
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Old 06-30-2022, 06:57 PM   #782
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Just pre-ordered mine... total was like $99 USD from Amazon JP LMAO! but totally worth it for me!
Should have been around $80 USD at most. Are you sure you converted the price from Yen to USD properly?
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Old 07-03-2022, 01:51 PM   #783
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I had to talk my wife out of watching this weekend on D+. I begged her to wait for the 3D version which is over a month away. She eventually agreed. I was helped by her absolutely loving Shang-Chi in 3D and her being glad she waited for that experience when it was on D+ months earlier.
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Old 07-03-2022, 02:16 PM   #784
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I had to talk my wife out of watching this weekend on D+. I begged her to wait for the 3D version which is over a month away. She eventually agreed. I was helped by her absolutely loving Shang-Chi in 3D and her being glad she waited for that experience when it was on D+ months earlier.
I know the feeling. Was torture for me holding off on Black Widow, Shang-chi and Eternals until the 3D discs came. Totally worth it though.

Luckily I did see Doctor Strange at the cinema. No way I was missing an IMAX 3D showing, since we don't get the IMAX scenes on 3D disc anymore. Will be going to Thor as well.
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Old 07-03-2022, 02:19 PM   #785
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Definitely excited to watch Thor in 3D IMAX
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Old 07-03-2022, 05:06 PM   #786
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I know the feeling. Was torture for me holding off on Black Widow, Shang-chi and Eternals until the 3D discs came. Totally worth it though.
Shang-chi is a fun movie which ever way it is watched but the 3D version is even better. I would not have been interested in Black Widow without the 3D disc and I feel a similar way Doctor Strange MoM. But because of the Japanese prices I will wait for Thor Love and Thunder. If I like that movie then I might buy Thor and Dr Strange 3D together. Hopefully by then Strange will be cheaper and I will save on postage from Japan.
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Old 07-03-2022, 06:27 PM   #787
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Shang-chi is a fun movie which ever way it is watched but the 3D version is even better. I would not have been interested in Black Widow without the 3D disc and I feel a similar way Doctor Strange MoM. But because of the Japanese prices I will wait for Thor Love and Thunder. If I like that movie then I might buy Thor and Dr Strange 3D together. Hopefully by then Strange will be cheaper and I will save on postage from Japan.
DS2 has gotten some of my normie pals to wonder if they're missing out by watching in 2D. Boy howdy do the VFX of Wanda doing her "death from above" scene look awful in 2D, due to the compositing.

But Disney has gotten folks conditioned to just wait for films to hit D+, and watch them there. Which poses a problem for going back for a 3D review as that doesn't align with the "consume content, get excited for next product" mindset Disney has instilled. It also hurts that I'm hearing that DS2D is not considered good enough for a rewatch, and the 3D isn't strong enough for me to push the issue.

I still can't recommend Shang Chi in 2D as some of those VFX are laughable without the 3D. While the 3D is too weak in it to be sure, I still hold that many of the effects shots were designed for 3D. And then slathered in artificial motion blur, which hurt the 3D, prior to the conversion.
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Old 07-03-2022, 06:31 PM   #788
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I thought Shang-Chi and MoM both looked terrific in 2D or 3D, but especially in IMAX or Dolby. Awesome cinematography in both of them, each with a flavor all of their own.
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Old 07-03-2022, 07:01 PM   #789
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It also hurts that I'm hearing that DS2D is not considered good enough for a rewatch, and the 3D isn't strong enough for me to push the issue.
MoM is messy. It had six weeks of 6 days a week reshoots, basically reshooting most of the movie and it shows. The 3D was fine, but I don't have a final opinion yet because I don't know how good the cinema I watched it is. I may have a better idea after Thor which I will watch in the same cinema, but I wont really know until I've seen the 3D disc.

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I still can't recommend Shang Chi in 2D as some of those VFX are laughable without the 3D. While the 3D is too weak in it to be sure, I still hold that many of the effects shots were designed for 3D. And then slathered in artificial motion blur, which hurt the 3D, prior to the conversion.
I don't know what to think about Shang-chi. Yes I now think the 3D looks very good. But something weird is going on there as to why I had to change my settings (which incidentally I've recently changed again lol).

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Old 07-03-2022, 07:18 PM   #790
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It had six weeks of 6 days a week reshoots, basically reshooting most of the movie and it shows.
Opinions vary. It looked pretty smooth all the way through to me. If I hadn't heard there were reshoots, I would never have imagined they did that.
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Opinions vary. It looked pretty smooth all the way through to me. If I hadn't heard there were reshoots, I would never have imagined they did that.
Me too... i thought the movie had Sam Raimi's hand all over it. The shots looked exactly what the genre is. I thought i wasn't going to like any of it but ended to enjoy almost every shot... it wasn't over done, just on point.
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Old 07-03-2022, 08:41 PM   #792
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MoM is messy. It had six weeks of 6 days a week reshoots, basically reshooting most of the movie and it shows. The 3D was fine, but I don't have a final opinion yet because I don't know how good the cinema I watched it is. I may have a better idea after Thor which I will watch in the same cinema, but I wont really know until I've seen the 3D disc.


I don't know what to think about Shang-chi. Yes I now think the 3D looks very good. But something weird is going on there as to why I had to change my settings (which incidentally I've recently changed again lol).
I still wonder if the motion blur that was added to the CGI hurts the popout. Then again, Tony Anthony has made it, ahem, clear that a blurry object can still pop out bigly.

In the Jurassic World Dominion thread, the consensus was that the reviewer who saw the film as replete with popout was hypersensitive. Perhaps I'm the opposite, but it still gets me that Thor 4 has so many scenes in the trailer with the characters in the fore and the focus upon them, framed like they should be popping out onto the stage in front of the theater screen, but they don't.

Unfortunately the watch group punted on DS2 3D, due to the reshoots, the film quickly garnering a rep as "Spiderman 3 redux", and MCU-tier 3D failing to impress on its own (MCU has a problem when people who paid out of pocket to see Birds of Prey refused to see DS2 3D for free ). So I didn't have as much data to go on for what popout there was.


When I saw TMNT2 at home (missed it theatrically), the watch group was reaching out to grab at some of the popout. Outside of a theme park, I've yet to see any theatrical 3D showing have that effect on anyone.
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When I saw TMNT2 at home (missed it theatrically), the watch group was reaching out to grab at some of the popout. Outside of a theme park, I've yet to see any theatrical 3D showing have that effect on anyone.
Im trying to remember but probably only Harold and Kumar xmas movie when NPH lift his "candy" cane. There is a lot of resistance in this board towards pop outs like this, most call it gimicky and prefer only a deep sense depth.
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Me too... i thought the movie had Sam Raimi's hand all over it. The shots looked exactly what the genre is. I thought i wasn't going to like any of it but ended to enjoy almost every shot... it wasn't over done, just on point.
I think practically every shot of MoM is perfect just as it is, and there are no obvious "tells" of any reshoots. It's true that the 3D enhances everything quite a bit, but after watching it theatrically in every premium format, I have to confess it looks dazzling in every way.
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Me too... i thought the movie had Sam Raimi's hand all over it.
Nope, that's not how the MCU works in general and it certainly wasn't how it worked here. This is not a Raimi movie by any stretch of the imagination. Raimi was brought in to add some Raiminess but the script and story progression was not his. That's why there are calls around the Internet for the Raimi cut.
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The shots looked exactly what the genre is. I thought i wasn't going to like any of it but ended to enjoy almost every shot... it wasn't over done, just on point.
So many of the shots you are talking about looked great, but they were not Raimi, just standard MCU with some added Raimi visuals. Raimi himself makes this clear in a number of interviews. Of course he frames at as his choice but in reality it's the same for almost all MCU directors. Taika, James Gunn and maybe Ryan Coogler somehow made the movies they wanted to make even within the MCU constraints. Raimi like the majority made the movie Marvel wanted to make but imparted some of his "signature" visuals. To be fair, his visuals are the best part of the movie without which I wouldn't have liked it at all.

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MoM probably has more of a director's unique touch than any other movie in the series, tho.

And clearly when you have a long-running franchise it makes sense to have a coherent style, both aesthetically and as a matter of convenience for the viewer.
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So many of the shots you are talking about looked great, but they were not Raimi, just standard MCU with some added Raimi visuals.
Your point here is not very clear and sounds like you’re contradicting yourself.

I’ve read a lot of chatter on the rumors of what happened behind the scenes (who knows how much we can trust internet rumors, but you seem 100% confident in your take.) From what I’ve read, they did a pretty hefty rewrite when Derrickson quit, and then had to do even more tinkering when the pandemic totally bonked the MCU release order. Some of the movie, particularly in the first half, you really feel the “bullet list of things that must happen”, but there are still a lot of Raimi touches, in particular in the third act.

To name a few obvious Raimi moments:
[Show spoiler]The New York streets during the battle with the tentacle monster… The very bold fade transitions… Wanda’s eye peaking through the reflections…. The cloak of ghosts… the melodramatic final chat with America and Zombie Strange?
Yes, it’s an MCU movie, and no director gets full control, but I think there’s as much Raimi in this movie as any of the other examples you named, despite sometimes crumbling under the weight of revisions and exposition.

Disney obviously keeps a pretty tight ship on the behind the scenes turmoil… if you have a source showing Raimi’s hand was not at the helm for a lot of these choices, I’d be very curious to read it. (I was desperate to know what happened with Solo when Lord and Miller left, might bave to dig now and see if more details have been released!)
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MoM probably has more of a director's unique touch than any other movie in the series, tho.
Ragnarok and GotG come waaaaay before this. For better or worse Zhao being an Oscar winner was given more flexibility than most. Then maybe MoM and Black Panther. Dr Strange certainly has more of Raimi's visual signature but it is not his story. Black Panther is Coogler's story fitting into the MCU rather than the other way round. The writing credits bear this out since Coogler was a co-writer for Black Panther. It's what gives me a little hope for Wakanda Forever.

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Your point here is not very clear and sounds like you’re contradicting yourself.
Again, Raimi makes it clear that he was brought in to do a specific job and that's exactly what he did. The moments you mention don't contradict that point because it's part of what he was brought in to do.

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And clearly when you have a long-running franchise it makes sense to have a coherent style, both aesthetically and as a matter of convenience for the viewer.
The MCU has a formula and different directors have been given more or less leeway to play with it. Raimi was allowed to add certain mainly visual elements but had to stick close to the formula and by all accounts he was fine with that. Scott Derrickson was not.

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I wouldn't say Ragnarok and GotG were made by directors who had such a unique and easily identifiable style to as many moviegoers as Raimi had.
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I wouldn't say Ragnarok and GotG were made by directors who had such a unique and easily identifiable style to as many moviegoers as Raimi had.
The point we were discussing was unique director styles. Whether it is "easily identifiable" by moviegoers is a slightly different one. Which ties in nicely with my next point in that I should have mentioned Joss Whedon. It was his Avengers movie that essentially codified the MCU style of Character driven studies of group (or interpersonal character) dynamics using wit and humour. That's his style, always has been, but unless a moviegoer has watched his other works they wouldn't necessarily know this.

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