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Old 08-25-2019, 06:49 PM   #21
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Like the time when the US Sony BD and the UK Optimum (basically StudioCanal) BD used exactly the same blown out to shit transfer?

There's always a possibility Mike, of course there is, but if it is substantially different in the grade (DV means nothing in that respect) I'd be very surprised.
Mike is right on this one and TFE is proof! There is absolutely no way that Sony’s 4K of TFE is from the negative. 100% zero chance. Can’t wait for Gaumont to scan the negative of that one.

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Difference is, Gaumont possesses the negatives to TFE and most overseas releases use a different Gaumont supplied transfer approved by the director, whereas the Sony releases are using an internegative or even an IP that could have utilized early digital grading and touch up work, hence the strong EE baked into all Sony releases.

Sony has the negatives for Leon and have also lent Gaumont those same elements in the past for various overseas DVD and BD releases. Sony clearly used the OCN to make their 4k transfer, and I highly suspect they gave Gaumont access to that same 4k master for overseas use and will port it over to whoever licences it from them. IMO, it would be redundant for Gaumont spending a silly 8 figure number in making their own 4k remaster with DV when they could use the one Sony already made for way less, unless Luc Besson isn't happy with Sony's transfer for whatever reason like with TFE and forces them to make a new one.
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Sony scanning an IP of TFE with severe baked in 90s digital processing sound plausible, but it doesn’t look like the 35mm print I saw. Waiting on the OCN.

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Mike is right on this one and TFE is proof! There is absolutely no way that Sony’s 4K of TFE is from ANY film source. 100% zero chance. Can’t wait for Gaumont to scan the negative of that one.
We're talking about Leon here though, not TFE, and mike would be the first person to tell you that the German UHD of TFE from Universum (though there's also a Gaumont logo on the back cover) uses the exact same transfer as the Sony one...

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Universum probably got the same crap from Sony. We need an official Gaumont release. TFE UHDs cannot be from the OCN. The 35mm print that I saw does not look like that. Whatever Sony is scanning is unexplainable.
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I'm still not sold on the actual IP having "90s digital processing" baked in as that makes no sense, the IP is literally derived from the conformed original negative as a contact-printed photochemical process. What's more likely is that Sony do only have an IP to deal with and they keep sharpening it up in the grading suite to compensate. But, ironically enough, the average 35mm print won't have been anywhere near the negative either...
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But the average 35mm print didn’t look so etched like some horrible video. TFE is one of the worst UHDs, it needs to be redone properly.
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It's not likely to, the amount of MTF that a conventional neg->IP->IN->print would lose is substantial.
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One other possibility comes to mind: what if Sony - who claimed that their TFE 4K transfer came from the OG neg - got Gaumont to create a dupe negative for them but not via photochemical methods? In other words they could've scanned the original negative and output a copy back to film, this would avoid the quality loss inherent to an interneg or interpos but could well have baked in its own problems, particularly if this was done nearer the time of the film's release when filmouts weren't always tip top. Heck, even on Gaumont's own HD transfer there's still some EE there in the Diva Plavalaguna VFX shots.
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One other possibility comes to mind: what if Sony - who claimed that their TFE 4K transfer came from the OG neg - got Gaumont to create a dupe negative for them but not via photochemical methods? In other words they could've scanned the original negative and output a copy back to film, this would avoid the quality loss inherent to an interneg or interpos but could well have baked in its own problems, particularly if this was done nearer the time of the film's release when filmouts weren't always tip top. Heck, even on Gaumont's own HD transfer there's still some EE there in the Diva Plavalaguna VFX shots.
Then this dupe negative must have been done ages ago, which could explain the problems. It’s a mystery.
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Yeah I watched Madmans BD some time ago and found it to be a watchable but overtly video like presentation. If that ee present on this 2007 transfer hasn't been resolved in 4K, I don't really see much of a point in upgrading. Leon needs an upgrade in oz as the ol Studio Canal transfer is rather poor for 2019 standards
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