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Old 03-10-2021, 07:47 PM   #1
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Default Do higher quality HDMI cables make a difference?

I'm using Monoprice premium high speed cables. They are 18Gbps.

https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=15427

I was having a problem when my Denon receiver's 4K was set to Enhanced. The signal didn't always go through to the TV. I set the receiver's 4K back to Standard and the problem went away but it's not sending the full 4:4:4 signal now.

Someone recommended this cable from Zeskit. It's an 8K cable and is 48Gbps. With this cable I'll be able to set the receiver's 4K back to Enhanced.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07S1CGQ9Z/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A7EB2YHL3E081&psc=1

Will a cable with more bandwidth make a difference in the picture?
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Old 03-10-2021, 08:52 PM   #2
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Yes and no. Normally HDMI one gets a perfect picture and sound regardless of the cable being used. But if the bandwidth being sent exceeds the cables capability then no picture and sound could occur or digital artifacts in the picture. A 48Gbps cable is better then a 18Gbps cable in regards to cable capacity. There is also another issue to look at, like the cables build quality. A cheaper cable with lower quality construction may go bad in a few years when compared to a higher gauge and better quality HDMI cable.

What you are experiencing with you’re A/V receiver might be a handshaking issue, and might not be the cable. Try turning on your equipment that has HDMI in the chain in a different order and it might fix the problem. TV on first then A/V receiver, or A/V receiver on first and then TV.

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Old 03-10-2021, 09:01 PM   #3
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I was having a problem when my Denon receiver's 4K was set to Enhanced. The signal didn't always go through to the TV. I set the receiver's 4K back to Standard and the problem went away but it's not sending the full 4:4:4 signal now.
If your receiver is trying to send out UHD 60Hz 12bit 4:4:4 then it's just over 32Gbps, knocking that down to 24Hz drops below 18Gbps.
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Old 03-10-2021, 09:06 PM   #4
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Cable length must also be taken into consideration, if you have a longer run, say 20ft. or more, you would do well to use an active cable. I use a Monoprice 30 ft. premium active HDMI cable and haven't had any issues running 4k 60 HDR in enhanced mode from my Denon 4300 to my Sony VPL-VS285ES projector. I have the cable linked below.

https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_...seq=1&format=2
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Old 03-11-2021, 03:21 AM   #5
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I'm using a 6 ft. cable from the 4K player to the receiver and a 6 ft. cable from the receiver to the TV. I have a Sony UBP-X700 4K player, Sony XBR X900F TV and a Denon AVR-X6500H receiver.

When I switch to standard the problem went away but now I'm not sending out a 4:4:4 signal.

The problem I had was not on all discs. It only happened with some Blu-Ray discs and did not happen with 4K discs which I thought was strange.

When playing a Blu-Ray disc I would have to shut the receiver off and on again for the signal to reach the TV.
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Old 03-11-2021, 05:05 AM   #6
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I doubt if it's the cable, but at least $20 isn't outrageous to try it out -- esp if you aren't shy about returning it if it turns out to be an incorrect solution.

I have a hard time believing at 6 feet you're having a problem on BD, but not 4K - even in the cable is damaged or the connection of the HDMI Male/Female junction is questionable.

I'm not entirely sure what else would cause such an odd combination. Even at 18gig that should be more than adequate
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Old 03-11-2021, 05:32 AM   #7
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4:2:2 output is the standard and consumer media is encoded 4:2:0.

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Old 03-19-2021, 08:31 PM   #8
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4:2:2 output is the standard and consumer media is encoded 4:2:0.
Blu-Ray and UHD are encoded at 4:2:0?
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Old 03-20-2021, 10:53 AM   #9
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Blu-Ray and UHD are encoded at 4:2:0?
Yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroma_subsampling
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Old 07-11-2021, 07:12 AM   #10
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You don't need to buy Monster Cables, all you need is it to pass 18gbps for 2.0 and 2.1 up to 48gbps. HDMI 2.1 is arguably one of the most significant upgrades to the HDMI standard. Originally announced in November 2017, HDMI 2.1 significantly increases HDMI's maximum bandwidth up to 48 gigabits/second (Gbps), and even more when compression is used. Although HDMI 2.1 sources were only recently made available, some TVs have had support for it since 2019. This new format allows HDMI sources to theoretically transmit resolutions as high as 10k @ 120Hz with compression. It also adds many new features, including Dynamic HDR, HDMI Forum VRR, Quick Media Switching, Auto Low Latency Mode, and eARC, just to name a few. The Xbox Series X and the PS5 each have HDMI 2.1 support, allowing them to transmit 4k content up to 120 frames per second, while the PS4 and Xbox One X had a max frame rate of 60fps with 4k games; this allows for smoother gameplay.
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Old 07-11-2021, 02:59 PM   #11
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Premium_2020_150x323-96i-QR.jpg Cables that have this seal are certified to handle the highest quality signals currently available.
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Old 07-11-2021, 04:39 PM   #12
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Whatever you do, don't get hoodwinked into buying Audioquest or Analysis Plus cables because they are nothing but a total ripoff. Anybody who'll allow themselves to be persuaded into buying $300-$1,000.00 or more for A/V cables is gullible.
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Old 07-12-2021, 06:11 PM   #13
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Only the specification makes a difference. All this stuff about isolation and superior signal has been carried over from analog cables. With digital, you either get a perfect signal or you don't. Like slimdude says, don't get hoodwinked into the premium cable hype. The latest spec cable from Amazon Basics, for example, is just as good as anything costing 10x the price.
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One thing a fiber optic HDMI cable will solve is electrical noise that causes signal drop-out, it did for me. Before getting the fiber optic cable the TV was blacking out every couple of minutes and turning to a full screen of static, nice trick for an LED TV. With the fiber optic cable it's perfect. Before that I tried Monoprice active cables and it only delayed how long it would go before going to static.

This is the cable I got, it's $64.99, I only got 1 for the device having the issues, the rest of my cables are Monoprice active cables = https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Would this HDMI cable be sufficient for connecting all the components in my setup? I have an Oppo UDP-203 and Apple TV 4K that connect to my Sony 7.1.2 soundbar, which connects to my TV via ARC.

Monoprice 8K Certified Ultra High Speed HDMI Cable

I currently have 18Gbps Rocketfish HDMI cables connecting everything, and was looking to upgrade.

EDIT: Linked wrong cable initially; changed to correct one I wanted to ask about.

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Old 07-14-2021, 11:00 AM   #16
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Yep, that should work a treat. More than enough for your needs so you're future proofed for when you actually need ultra high speed.
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Yep, that should work a treat. More than enough for your needs so you're future proofed for when you actually need ultra high speed.
Perfect! Thanks.
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Old 07-21-2021, 12:40 AM   #18
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I shy away from "Best", but some may find a few of the following linked HDMI cable tips useful.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...t-hdmi-cables/

"If it isn't your settings, it's probably your cable." - Panson
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Old 07-21-2021, 03:55 AM   #19
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I've used a variety of cables from Monster, Monoprice, and other manufacturers. The cheaper the cable the more likely you'll experience signal dropouts from my experience however as others have stated they all should in theory work all the same. Most recently I picked up 2 of these...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I purchased a Sony 65" A8H OLED on prime day and wanted some new cables to run in wall prior to mounting the tv and these looked to have more than enough bandwidth, at the time were nearly half off, and came in a length that worked for my needs. Thus far they've worked flawlessly and I have no complaints whatsoever.
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