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Old 01-11-2019, 09:36 PM   #761
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Aliens SE is the original intended Theatrical Cut but the Studio demanded it to be shortened, as clearly conveyed in the SE intro, commentary, and various interviews.

Cameron has also stated that he is fine with Theatrical Cuts of his various films, in large part because he made the editorial decisions and finds the brisker pacing beneficial for general audiences but for the fans and himself who want an extended experience that is what the Special Editions are for. It is nice to have options.

Aliens and The Abyss I prefer the SEs, whereas with Terminator 2 either cuts are enjoyable for me. Avatar I like the Extended Special Edition.

Now where is The Abyss SE 4K release, damn it!
I'm not sure it was the intended theatrical cut. Some have speculated that the CBS cut is nearer to what the original version was, and when Cameron got a chance to do the longer cut for home video he added in more scenes on top that simply weren't necessary to tell the story in any way, shape or form. The "anecdotal" stuff, as he calls it in his T2 SE liner notes.

In any case, while I won't be sad if the UHD of Alien drops the DC, I'll be hopping mad if the theatrical cut of Aliens is left out of the UHD because I can't stand the SE version of that film. Moves slower than a ****ing glacier. Don't get me wrongo, that's the first film's bag and I like it, but it just feels wrong taking sooooooooo long to get going on film #2.
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Old 01-11-2019, 09:38 PM   #762
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I have something to confess, I’ve only seen the SE version for aliens.
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Old 01-11-2019, 09:48 PM   #763
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One of my favorite DC versions.

While I could do with a few scenes removed, its the way I always watched it since my TV recording and the SE Laserdisc. Same as T2.
Abyss can really bog down though.
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Old 01-11-2019, 09:50 PM   #764
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The Ripley scenes in the beginning of the SE I feel are the most essential; can't imagine why they were cut, ever.
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:03 PM   #765
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The Ripley scenes in the beginning of the SE I feel are the most essential; can't imagine why they were cut, ever.
Definitely. The scene where Ripley learns Amanda has died is essential for her arc to set up her relationship with Newt.
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:03 PM   #766
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Now that Disney doesnít need to work out a deal with Fox over ANH because, well, they own Fox now, I feel like weíll see the theatrical cuts sooner rather than later.
You feel that way despite Disney repeatedly saying, quite clearly, that it's never going to happen, for the same reason it hasn't happened before?
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:06 PM   #767
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One of my favorite DC versions.

While I could do with a few scenes removed, its the way I always watched it since my TV recording and the SE Laserdisc. Same as T2.
Abyss can really bog down though.
I'm the opposite, I LOVE the longer version of The Abuse
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:08 PM   #768
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George sold Star Wars to Disney. There was a contract. The contract had clauses. Don’t hold your breath for theatrical cuts
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:10 PM   #769
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Definitely. The scene where Ripley learns Amanda has died is essential for her arc to set up her relationship with Newt.
Nonsense.

Having a maternal instinct isn't exclusive to women that have had children, ya know.
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Maybe minority opinion but I think the final cut of ESB is the best version of the movie.

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Nonsense.

Having a maternal instinct isn't exclusive to women that have had children, ya know.
Yeah but she specifically mentions her daughter to newt...
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:17 PM   #771
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I'm the opposite, I LOVE the longer version of The Abuse
The main difference for me is the ending. Theatrical seems like a half-assed throwaway, the extended one actually presents a genuine threat instead of just a brief "humans r bad" "oh go on we're not that bad" blip of psychic chit-chat.
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Nonsense.

Having a maternal instinct isn't exclusive to women that have had children, ya know.
Exactly my reasoning for why I don't require it to be there. It makes Ripley's need to protect her even more powerful in the theatrical cut, almost primal in a way, because she hasn't suffered the loss of her daughter and quickly finds a handy surrogate to latch on to. It's more instinct than anything.

BUT I can also see how it enriches the overall storyline and how it plays up the duality between the alien Queen losing her brood and Ripley losing her own, it's just that - as with the badass sentry guns - the good stuff is outweighed by far too much bloat IMO and drags the movie down. Would I like to have the daughter and sentry gun subplots restored with almost everything else in the SE jettisoned? Yep, and I've managed to do just that with the branching files on the Aliens Blu-ray. But as I won't be able to do that with any eventual UHD - presuming that it's branched to include both cuts, I'd need to upgrade my whole computer setup to rip it - then it'd better have the theatrical on there!
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:25 PM   #773
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The main difference for me is the ending. Theatrical seems like a half-assed throwaway, the extended one actually presents a genuine threat instead of just a brief "humans r bad" "oh go on we're not that bad" blip of psychic chit-chat.
For my money they never quite worked out the problems with the ending either way, I don't mean any physical filmmaking problems but more the whole angle of it. The theatrical is a bit weird, but I guess it can be resolved by having the aliens reveal themselves to humanity because Bud has proved our 'worth' by sacrificing himself for them (plus the Deepcore crew, obvs).

The SE "fulfils the original goals of the script" according to Cameron himself but that switch from a self-contained story into this world-ending showdown feels completely at odds with the taut, tense 2Ĺ hours of murky claustrophobia that preceded it, and when they cut to this bright California beach with hilarious '80s fashions all over the place it badly dates it as well. I know that it had a lot of post-production issues which is why they cut it out but even so, when you can literally remove the ****ing ending of your film and it still kinda works then it may not have been that important to begin with, you know?

But, in this case, the good FAR outnumbers the bad and I love the SE just for the Linda Ronstadt singalong on its own.
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Oh I agree that it can be argued both ways, but I find it to be a bit too much on the nose.
That said, the Aliens SE doesn't bother me in the same way as the T2 SE.
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:30 PM   #775
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I've actually come around to the T2 SE in recent years. The theatrical IS Cameron's true "director's cut", make no mistake, but the Reese callback is gold and that chip removal scene is an absolute masterpiece of old-school Hollywood knowhow.
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I'm the opposite, I LOVE the longer version of The Abuse
Love love the ending since it changes everything, but dang....it gets long in the middle.
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I'm not sure it was the intended theatrical cut. Some have speculated that the CBS cut is nearer to what the original version was, and when Cameron got a chance to do the longer cut for home video he added in more scenes on top that simply weren't necessary to tell the story in any way, shape or form. The "anecdotal" stuff, as he calls it in his T2 SE liner notes.

In any case, while I won't be sad if the UHD of Alien drops the DC, I'll be hopping mad if the theatrical cut of Aliens is left out of the UHD because I can't stand the SE version of that film. Moves slower than a ****ing glacier. Don't get me wrongo, that's the first film's bag and I like it, but it just feels wrong taking sooooooooo long to get going on film #2.
Man, I am the complete opposite. The Aliens SE is THE movie I point to when I need an example of flawless pacing in a genre movie. Itís perfect to me. The build-up is EVERYTHING.
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Man, I am the complete opposite. The Aliens SE is THE movie I point to when I need an example of flawless pacing in a genre movie. Itís perfect to me. The build-up is EVERYTHING.
The less Aliens the better.

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Love love the ending since it changes everything, but dang....it gets long in the middle.
The more Abyss the better.

Boy, aren't I ever the contrarian?
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Nonsense.

Having a maternal instinct isn't exclusive to women that have had children, ya know.
I'm not saying it is. But the knowledge that Ripley has lost her daughter adds a whole extra level to her relationship with Newt that makes Ripley's arc feel more narratively complete when Newt calls Ripley "Mommy" at the end of the film. The entire film is about motherhood and Ripley learning of Amanda's death is not just necessary for her character but it has thematic importance as well. Ripley starts the film as a mother who has lost her child but ends it as an adoptive mother to Newt and also ties into how those two characters "save" each other; Ripley literally saves Newt from the Aliens while Newt figuratively saves Ripley from her grief and guilt over Amanda's death.
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You feel that way despite Disney repeatedly saying, quite clearly, that it's never going to happen, for the same reason it hasn't happened before?
When has Disney, or anyone at Lucasfilm since they were bought by Disney, ever even once said this?

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We have no way of knowing what the clauses were, if there even were any. Why would a company pay 4.05 billion dollars for another company if they couldnít even have access to some of its greatest assets?
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