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Old 03-18-2019, 06:31 PM   #1
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Thumbs up 2019 LG C9 OLED TV owners & 2019 OLED interested members thread

Very exciting news..... We have LG's 2019 C9 on display and wall mounted on our TV Shootout wall!

Our 77" C9 measured 860Nits with a 10% full luminance test pattern. This is a nice peak luminance increase vs. the 2018 OLED TVs.

Some of my favorite upgrades that just pertain to calibration upgrades for LG's 2019 generation OLED TVs are:

■ Integrated Test Pattern Generator (iTPG) - Reduces the barrier to entry by at least $1,500 and possibly even more important, for those without the AutoCal software or any equipment novice end users now have the ability to set minimum and peak luminance by eye very accurately. So you will have the best possible SDR and HDR dynamic tonal range across the full contrast range of your 2019 OLED TV.

■ HDR10 Tone Curve Parameters - Provides the ability to set the HDR10 tone mapping to match the measured peak luminance of the display and adjust the roll-off point for 3 definable metadata points. This is my personal favorite enhancement for 2019!

■ Picture Mode Reset Behaviour - Allows individual picture modes to be reset to factory status after an auto calibration, removing the need to do a full factory reset loosing all calibrations for all picture modes as was the case in 2018.
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Here's a cut and paste and link of our calibrator, John's comments on AVS Forum:

Robert Zohn got C9 at the store which we calibrated and I wanted to post my first impressions.

I took scans of the set OOTB then manually calibrated ISF Bright with the default settings.

My preliminary opinions:

1) LG improved motion handling for 2019 and now the set provides BFI which has three settings, Low, Medium and High. I found if you set it to Low, you get only slight dimming of the picture, no flashing and really good motion. Overall a nice improvement.

2) The set we got was very good calibration wise. I feel the gray scale controls on the 2019 may be slightly finer than previous LG OLEDs BUT now you have a choice of 2pt, 10pt and 22pt gray scale adjustments. In the 22pt they added two additional IRE controls at 2.5 and 7.5 which enable you to make more low IRE adjustments to get better blacks. You will need to use the CM levels editor to create a new series to calibrate in this mode.

3) Although the CMS controls all worked, it was very hard to get the CMS lined up but it could have been an issue with this specific panel. With this particular set a new Autocal 3D LUT, or even a matrix would have corredted this. The good news is all the SDR CMS controls appear to work without causing artifacts but as always, you want to keep adjustments to a minimum.

4) There is also a new feature called Peak Luminance in the Expert controls. You can set it to Low, Medium and High. I'm not sure what it does and if you should calibrate with it off or not so we have a request into LG for an answer. If you go from Off to High, the SDR picture gets slightly brighter and it looks like there is more contrast but it also lifts the black level slightly, visible with dark content so i'm not sure what it's supposed to do and how to use it yet.

5) I couldn't find any controls to enable the internal TPG so i'm not sure if it's enabled yet or this is something you need CM to turn on. I believe there will be new firmware enabling the feature soon.

6) HDR looked good and the peak luminance read 861 nits, with a 10% window. This is the brightest OLED panel I've ever measured. I don't have the new CM for 2019 so I couldn't test any of the new tone mapping options. Although I didn't calibrate HDR, it looks like LG is still overdriving HDR because the colors still look a little oversaturated. I'll have to see how it looks once i'm able to autocal HDR with the new process that Neil Robinson described at CES.
7) I didn't have time to look a DV but DV content looked fine.

8) The set came with Web OS 4.5. LG moved all the menus to the left side, a little more streamlined than the old WebOS.

9) The 2019 comes with eARC and VRR and a couple of other gaming features. Robert Zohn said there is a HDMI 2.1 port or ports but I have no idea how functional they are beyond what LS has reported and if they are 48 MB ports.

After calibrating the set and looking at content, the 2019 is definitely a step up in PQ vs the 2018 when compared side by side with the same content. The picture quality was nice and sharp, near blacks were perfect, motion was good, colors were accurate to the calibrated Sony's right next to it. BUT in my opinion the picture doesn't have as much POP, (highlights) as the A9F probably because of the A9F's pixel booster in SDR.

I didn't measure the color volume but i'll bet the Sony is still much higher accounting for this observation. I also needed to turn the Peak Luminance control to High to make the C9 look as close as possible to the A9F even though it's set to Off by default.

HDR on the other hand looks better than ever. Really bright and vibrant but you get the feeling that the picture is a little “over done” since the colors, in my opinion, were a little oversaturated. Once I’m able to calibrate HDR, we will be able to take another look.

My preliminary verdict the 2019 C9 is a “significant improvement” over the 2018 C8 although it’s reported to be using the same panel. When I say significant, everything is relative. The 2018 LG OLED was an excellent set and the improvements for 2019 make it that much better. HDR is definitely brighter, motion is still not quite as good as the Sony, but with BFI it gets really, really close. Upscaling is improved and i didn’t notice any unusual artifacts and or noise in the picture which was sharp and crisp.

I'm very interested to see of the PQ after using CM Autocal to see if the result is any better with all the new fine tuning LG apparently did. There is no question that LG seems to be pushing the panel "harder" this year to get more brightness but that could be at the expense of greater possibility of burn in.

The logo protector is set to High at default vs Low in the 2018 sets. Some may want to know if it “blows away” the Sony A9F? in my opinion, no, but the two sets are so close with the LG giving a brighter HDR picture and having additional gaming features, that you can’t go wrong with either set.

I believe the 55 and 65 inch C9's are available at retail this week.
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Old 03-18-2019, 06:51 PM   #2
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Here's a few pic of our 77" C9:





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looks great Robert! Need another TV for my other room. Have the A9 currently and I'm not sure if I should pick another one of them up or grab this years LG
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Old 03-18-2019, 07:07 PM   #4
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Tough call, we're loving the enhancements in LG's 2019 OLED line-up, but it's hard to top those beautiful Sony Master Series A9Fs. We're spending much of our time comparing our 2019 C9 against Sony's A9F.

Not sure if you know, but Sony will be launching the successor to the A9F with the A9G series this summer.
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Tough call, we're loving the enhancements in LG's 2019 OLED line-up, but it's hard to top those beautiful Sony Master Series A9Fs. We're spending much of our time comparing our 2019 C9 against Sony's A9F.

Not sure if you know, but Sony will be launching the successor to the A9F with the A9G series this summer.
isn't the improvements minor though on the F and G?
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Old 03-18-2019, 07:30 PM   #6
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Yes, but as an official nick-picker moderate improvements are all important.
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Yes, but as an official nick-picker moderate improvements are all important.
ha very true but knowing Sony they will charge extra 2,000 on the newer models. I'm actually shocked the A9s haven't dropped to under 3,000 yet
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ha very true but knowing Sony they will charge extra 2,000 on the newer models. I'm actually shocked the A9s haven't dropped to under 3,000 yet
Not Sony's but along the same lines of surprise...

That the C9s seem to be the same prices that the C8s originally listed for last year.

Seemed like from the 6s, to the 7s, to the 8s (series in general, not just Cs) we saw a bit of a decrease in launch MSRP each time.

We'll see how those prices fluctuate as the year goes on though.

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good impressions - when you mention perfect near blacks does this mean there is no vertical banding?
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True, so minimal that I feel comfortable saying our 77" C9 has no visible banding.
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True, so minimal that I feel comfortable saying our 77" C9 has no visible banding.
that's nice to hear - what about tinting?
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No noticeable tinting, but we'll take a more careful look with full screen white.
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I would be surprised if the 2019 OLEDs are completely free of vertical banding. That itself should be considered as a massive improvement.
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Intersted to see this in store. Will be buying the c9 77 or ag9 77 once released
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Glad to hear all the numerous improvements, most notably the elimination of near black anomalies which was and still is my biggest gripe with the c6. Would like to hear more on that if possible.

What I'd really love to see is a return of 3D to OLED, passive 3D on the C6 still looks quite nice to me. I know the chances of 3D coming back are slim to none but on the off chance that it does I'd probably buy another OLED on the spot.
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Make sure you get an extended warrantee. Panels can short out. I know from experience. I was told that a panel represents 80% of the cost of a TV.
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Robert do you know if this is full bandwidth HDMI 2.1?

I had heard that so called HDMI 2.1 TVs have incorporated features of 2.1 such as eARC and VRR, but don't carry the full bandwidth.

Is this true for the C9?
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Very good question MerrickG.

LG's 2019 Nano Cell LCD and OLED TVs all have HDMI 2.1 hardware chip upgrade and will receive the firmware upgrade to enable the full 48Gbps bandwidth that the HDMI 2.1 spec supports.
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Very good question MerrickG.

LG's 2019 Nano Cell LCD and OLED TVs all have HDMI 2.1 hardware chip upgrade and will receive the firmware upgrade to enable the full 48Gbps bandwidth that the HDMI 2.1 spec supports.
Thank you for that. All of the vibes I am getting is that if I am interested in 2.1, I would probably be better off waiting until next year after it has matured a little bit.
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Love what info you've shared, Robert. As well as all of the review videos/articles I've been seeing pop up over the last couple weeks.

I held off on jumping from my B6 to a C8 last year, but, from what I'm hearing, I just might have to make the upgrade to the C9 later this year once we start getting decent sales/price drops (or wait til early 2020 to see if we get a surprise sub-2 grand sale like the C8 saw a couple months back).

Have MOSTLY loved my B6, but the banding, and near-black noise definitely gets annoying at times.
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