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Old 10-07-2022, 04:27 AM   #241
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Plus I really wouldn’t describe 4k UHD discs as a ‘niche market’, seems to me they are becoming pretty mainstream these days
You can't argue with a religion.

The poster doesn't even know the meaning of niche let alone the application issue.

It is clear that 4K is mainstream but it is in its infancy especially when considering the competion which includes the other optical media.

Here is the complete and utter contradiction in obvious form. Now there are statements going around about bluray not being niche (??)...yet UHD continues to errode into bluray sales for obvious reasons.

Who defines this "niche". Isn't it a bit foolish to make such assertions when it is really just starting, even Walmart took forever to get any 4K, let alone boutique labels where the awesome quality is.

This constant dogging optical media on a bluray forum inside a bluray named website is straight trolling behavior. It serves absolutely no purpose.
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Old 10-07-2022, 08:00 AM   #242
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Plus I really wouldn’t describe 4k UHD discs as a ‘niche market’, seems to me they are becoming pretty mainstream these days
I would say they are pretty niche. If you gave a random person a 4k blu ray in the USA I would guess over 95% of people would not be able to play it. Libraries will carry DVDs and blu rays but not 4k at the ones I have been to. Even blu rays are becoming niche enough that most stores won’t carry them let alone 4k.
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Old 10-11-2022, 02:11 PM   #243
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Is 8K Ready for Primetime?

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Old 10-18-2022, 08:22 PM   #244
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The way I can see 8k discs kicking off is if we get higher bit depth and a revised HDR spec which goes...wait for it.

1,000,000 nits.



J/K. I am sure more people will complain about having eye problems or going plain blind at this point.
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Old 10-18-2022, 08:47 PM   #245
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I guess 8K tvs are massive power hogs and will soon be banned in the EU. They Use 3 times more power than standard 4k tv. New efficiency rules in the EU coming 2023.
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Old 10-20-2022, 09:13 AM   #246
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The way I can see 8k discs kicking off is if we get higher bit depth and a revised HDR spec which goes...wait for it.

1,000,000 nits.



J/K. I am sure more people will complain about having eye problems or going plain blind at this point.
The unelected EU bureaucrats will put you here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portlaoise_Prison

They will torture you by flashing 1,000,000 nits energy efficient light on your face everyday lol.
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Old 10-24-2022, 08:21 PM   #247
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Quick question about the high end 4k TV's being banned in the EU due to high nit output.

Couldn't manufacturers build some sort of battery/capacitor type device, which allows the TV not push a lot of electricity but store some of it in cases where content is called upon 2000+ scenes?

I disagree with the ban, though I am from the US. I feel that this will trickle down to the States though.
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Old 10-24-2022, 11:53 PM   #248
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Quick question about the high end 4k TV's being banned in the EU due to high nit output.

Couldn't manufacturers build some sort of battery/capacitor type device, which allows the TV not push a lot of electricity but store some of it in cases where content is called upon 2000+ scenes?

I disagree with the ban, though I am from the US. I feel that this will trickle down to the States though.
I’m hooking up the flux capacitor to my Delorean right now, now just how to get the car into my living room…
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Old 10-29-2022, 04:36 PM   #249
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Quick question about the high end 4k TV's being banned in the EU due to high nit output.

Couldn't manufacturers build some sort of battery/capacitor type device, which allows the TV not push a lot of electricity but store some of it in cases where content is called upon 2000+ scenes?

I disagree with the ban, though I am from the US. I feel that this will trickle down to the States though.
1) such rules that limit how much power TVs can use are nothing new and they have existed in the US for some time.

for example, here is an article from 2009
https://www.wired.com/2009/03/california-tv/

2) they are easy
politically: it looks like the government is doing something while in the end nothing much changes. the people that have the banned TV will just keep using them and they will sue just as much electricity

small jealous people are happy because their Neighbour can't buy that big fancy TV

for manufacturers it is a bit of a pain, but you tone down the wattage, remove the speakers, work around the law.... but it does nogt stop them from selling (expensive) Tvs
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Old 11-03-2022, 11:07 PM   #250
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Here is why:

1. 4K TV sets still are not capable enough to exceed the existing 4K UHD Blu-ray spec.

For instance, the high end Samsung Mini LED TVs sustain around 1600 nits, while OLED TVs sustain around 400-600 nits. HDR10 on BD 4K is graded at 1000-4000 nits target. No 4k TV technology yet has fully tapped HDR at it's Blu ray 4K spec . Projectors are struggling exponentially more to meet both the resolution and brightness of even 4K TVs nevermind 8K; 8K projectors do exist but they can't cleanly resolve 8K,.and most 4K projectors can't cleanly resolve 4K.

2. When 4K UHD format first came out, the research showed the resolution benefit was not significant enough on it's own for consumers to upgrade, and this is why HDR was emphasized so much with the format. So far, 8K is just a resolution upgrade that is even less noticable than 4K was. Therefore the demand would be extremely little on resolution alone. There would need to be some other massive improvement, only thing I can think of offhand is glasses free 3D, but a lot of people don't like 3D so....

3. Live TV in USA has not really caught up to 4K even. Very little native 4K content available

4. Streaming 4K is effectively lower than true 4K resolution due to heavy compression, and 8K would likely suffer the same fate.

5. 4K fully resolves 35mm. Meaning only film that would show an improvement is 70mm and 8k diigtal. Meanwhile we can't even get Terminator 2 and Platoon released to 4K without DNR making the 4k resolution pointless. Nowhere near enough content to demonstrate a difference with 8K and there is still a way to go for content to make the most of 4K. Would also need massive screen size 100"+ to even have a shot of seeing a difference with 8K, too.

Therefore, from a format perspective there is very little pont to 8K. From a TV manufacturer perspective it makes sense cause you can just upscale 1080p and 4K content. But there is little purpose from a video format perspective.

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Old 11-04-2022, 11:37 AM   #251
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Ive have been experimenting with the 8K mode of my projector recently.

4K up converted to 8K seems fine and very much the same as 1080p up converted to 4K.
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Old 11-06-2022, 02:33 PM   #252
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some networks still broadcast in 720 and dvd's still exist. smh.
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Old 11-23-2022, 06:09 AM   #253
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1080p to 4k is not a huge increase and without HDR it would be a much harder sell. Even if we all had 200 inch tv's most film is not going to show any benefit as the resolution of film itself is around 4k.

That's not to mention the fact that many movies today are still finished at 2k to save money. Or that the bandwidth for 8k streaming isn't going to be around for decades. I've been more selective with 4k upgrades and if there ever is an 8k format I would be even more selective. We are really reaching the limits of the way films are made with 4k and the biggest upgrades would not be resolution but some other improvement like even more color information.
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Old 11-23-2022, 07:25 AM   #254
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Old 11-23-2022, 09:22 AM   #255
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I think it's pretty amazing we even have a 4k physical media format. Still remember talking to electronics store employees during the format war days who mostly seemed to think hi-def formats would not become "mainstream." The PS3 really helped a lot for sure. And now 4k has a pretty respectable share of the market. It's kind of wild how much is still being released considering how little product is actually in brick and mortar stores these days. Back in the day you could walk in a Best Buy and get swarmed by employees trying to find dvds for you in their massive movie aisles; some days I could probably spend over an hour back then seeing what all they had.

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Old 12-09-2022, 03:18 AM   #257
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It's funny to look at page one of this thread from 2015 and see the comments about how no one needs bluray or 4k. At my local Best Buy I recently say a demo display 8k with actual 8k content. It blew away even the best 4k I've seen. Amazing picture doesn't even begin to describe it. The only way I know how to describe it is to say the picture looked better than I could see. If that makes any sense.
The tech is out there to make 8k more available and some 8k TVs are now listing for $3-6k, which is around where 4k was when it first became available, if i remember correctly. Samsung 85" Class QN800 Neo QLED 8K UHD Smart Tizen TV is currently $3,999.99 after 1,500 instant savings. It seems the industry is just trying to milk consumers with a 4k upgrade cycle until the market is saturated and they then "upgrade" movies to 8k. And the refresh cycle starts all over again. A lot of the 4k movies are receiving lower ratings than their bluray, at least a much darker tone to the entire movie. That said, there are some 4k movies that are just beautiful, but I can't wait for actual 8k. Oh, and the EU can eat me; I'll hook up generators and/or put up so many solar panels they'll see my happy 8k watching butt from space.
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Old 12-10-2022, 09:57 PM   #258
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A lot of the 4k movies are receiving lower ratings than their bluray, at least a much darker tone to the entire movie. That said, there are some 4k movies that are just beautiful, but I can't wait for actual 8k.
If you're referring to the ratings on this site, Blu-rays are compared to Blu-rays and UHDs are compared to UHDs, so a UHD can have a lower score than the Blu-ray but still look better.
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It's funny to look at page one of this thread from 2015 and see the comments about how no one needs bluray or 4k. At my local Best Buy I recently say a demo display 8k with actual 8k content. It blew away even the best 4k I've seen. Amazing picture doesn't even begin to describe it. The only way I know how to describe it is to say the picture looked better than I could see. If that makes any sense.
The tech is out there to make 8k more available and some 8k TVs are now listing for $3-6k, which is around where 4k was when it first became available, if i remember correctly. Samsung 85" Class QN800 Neo QLED 8K UHD Smart Tizen TV is currently $3,999.99 after 1,500 instant savings. It seems the industry is just trying to milk consumers with a 4k upgrade cycle until the market is saturated and they then "upgrade" movies to 8k. And the refresh cycle starts all over again. A lot of the 4k movies are receiving lower ratings than their bluray, at least a much darker tone to the entire movie. That said, there are some 4k movies that are just beautiful, but I can't wait for actual 8k. Oh, and the EU can eat me; I'll hook up generators and/or put up so many solar panels they'll see my happy 8k watching butt from space.
I was kinda hopin'/thinkin' 'bout a 8K system upgrade in 2026, but I'm doubtful that'll happen now, or maybe ever.

The electronics industry with "world order" has gone from partially predictable to totally unpredictable. My glass is completely empty these days.

There are some people who still care, just hope that a few of those worked on the 4K UHD BD that you anticipate. Suggest waiting on reviews rather than proclaiming, "Day One!"
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4K is not going anywhere anytime soon. 8K is still many years away.
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