Avatar: The Way of Water (2022)

[Synchg]

woooooooooooow... itlooksjustlikethefirstone.



dunno why he bothering teasing with 2:35 ratio when we just gonna release it on blu-ray in 1:85, making the 2:35 release some rare cut no one can own. troll

[unberechenbar]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's not about the man, the myth, the legend that is Cameron, I'm just calling it as I'm seeing it. It's so clean and antiseptic looking, everything so crisply delineated, I find that lack-of-style-as-style bad enough when applied to real hooman beans (Matrix 4) but with a completely CG world and characters my brain isn't registering that I'm looking at something realistic at all. Instead it thinks it's looking at a video game, that shot of all four of them staring at the distance with the sun in the centre of the screen literally feels like a demo level or something. Even the concentric rock circles makes me think I'm looking at a HUD. Stoopid brain.

Did you get that same feeling from Valerian, assuming that you've seen it?

[Thomas Veil]

All I think about now after all this time is Cameron could have had two or three original movies out for all the time he's spent on these sequels. If it was me I would want to see what's my next Avatar not make more Avatars.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by kylor

James Cameron is usually pretty good with sequels. Terminator 2 and Aliens.

His output of late has been... uh... spotty and he has two flops on his production hands.

[Jay H.]

It's going to make a ton of money. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either in denial, or they are lying.

[DanTheMan]

Originally Posted by Thomas Veil

All I think about now after all this time is Cameron could have had two or three original movies out for all the time he's spent on these sequels. If it was me I would want to see what's my next Avatar not make more Avatars.

True, but maybe James Cameron simply loves the Avatar/Pandora world that much to dedicate time and energy on anything else (outside of producing).

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by unberechenbar

Did you get that same feeling from Valerian, assuming that you've seen it?

No I don't, that felt way more tactile than this does. I've seen the A2 trailer a few more times and it still feels like I'm looking at a console demo.

[testmon112]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's not about the man, the myth, the legend that is Cameron, I'm just calling it as I'm seeing it. It's so clean and antiseptic looking, everything so crisply delineated, I find that lack-of-style-as-style bad enough when applied to real hooman beans (Matrix 4) but with a completely CG world and characters my brain isn't registering that I'm looking at something realistic at all. Instead it thinks it's looking at a video game, that shot of all four of them staring at the distance with the sun in the centre of the screen literally feels like a demo level or something. Even the concentric rock circles makes me think I'm looking at a HUD. Stoopid brain.

But as Avadah 1 was shot on 1080p HD there's a certain noise floor to the live action footage and they carried over that texture into the CG, it helps to dither it and 'scatter' the light a little, that's what registers as realism to me. It's contradictory of coursh because real life doesn't have visual noise, but in terms of cinematic reality I'm a big fan of being reminded that there are people operating cameras and are capturing these images using light, glass and sensors/film. I'm so used to the cinematic vernacular of "reality" that when something looks like this I find it to be very unrealistic. Oh, sweet irony.

Not that I can't get on with hyper-real imagery, I love the look of Gemini Man in 4K60 HDR, but as that's mostly composed of tangible physical people and sets then the digitally de-aged Will has to blend with that particular reality, rather than having carte blanche with entirely digital everything in many, many shots.

Back in 09 you could buy that no video game at that particular time looked as good as Avatar, but now? That's a harder argument to make. The funny thing is I think Cameron did contribute to Unreal Engine 5 and literally plucked out the best VFX artists in the industry for Weta. So they're throwing the best in biz at this. And yet as you mentioned somehow parts of it look like and OLED tech demo. Too sterile. I like Gemini and Billy Lynn as well geoff.

Interpolated, but I kinda get what Cameron's going for.






I don't doubt that 3D IMAX HFR will be the sweet spot for this but I have a feeling audiences won't be as forgiving if the story is the same mish mash of themes from the first film.

[Schwartzy]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Jamie Flatters as Neteyam, Jake and Neytiri's first son and oldest child
Britain Dalton as Lo'ak, Jake and Neytiri's second son
Trinity Bliss as Tuktirey ("Tuk"), Jake and Neytiri's eight-year-old daughter and their youngest child
Jack Champion as Javier "Spider" Socorro, a teenager born on Hell's Gate (the human base on Pandora in the first film) but who was rescued and adopted by Jake and Neytiri and "prefers his time in the Pandoran rainforest

My thinking is how does he eat or do anything that requires to be maskless? Also do those mask just filter the pandora air? Doesnt ran out of anything or do they get more masks etc from the abandoned human base...

[ravenus]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

No I don't, that felt way more tactile than this does. I've seen the A2 trailer a few more times and it still feels like I'm looking at a console demo.

Maybe it'll undergo a few more shader passes before the final product?

[Emerickamarula]

Does anyone have a link to the 1.6gb dcp trailer ?

[Atomic Salad]

Originally Posted by Emerickamarula

Does anyone have a link to the 1.6gb dcp trailer ?

Originally Posted by CreasyBear

Not sure if it's been posted, but here's the full 4K IMAX with theatrical 5.1 mix.

https://thedigitaltheater.com/avatar...of-water-2022/

That 4K one is 1.1GB

Is the actual master file being circulated or something?

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

No I don't, that felt way more tactile than this does. I've seen the A2 trailer a few more times and it still feels like I'm looking at a console demo.

I agree. I watched the trailer and it seeemd like a video game based on a Blue Planet episode from the BBC network. I was expecting to hear the majestic voice of David Attenborough speak at any moment. I just hope there’s an actual plot and story here to latch onto. The first film had just enough of that mixed with the psychedelic hippie stuff to make it all work.

This trailer is iffy at best. I’m somewhat concerned.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by testmon112

Back in 09 you could buy that no video game at that particular time looked as good as Avatar, but now? That's a harder argument to make. The funny thing is I think Cameron did contribute to Unreal Engine 5 and literally plucked out the best VFX artists in the industry for Weta. So they're throwing the best in biz at this. And yet as you mentioned somehow parts of it look like and OLED tech demo. Too sterile. I like Gemini and Billy Lynn as well geoff.

Interpolated, but I kinda get what Cameron's going for.

[Show spoiler]

I don't doubt that 3D IMAX HFR will be the sweet spot for this but I have a feeling audiences won't be as forgiving if the story is the same mish mash of themes from the first film.

Oooooohhh are those gifs interpolated you mean? Now THAT suddenly looks a hell of a lot betterer to me.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by Schwartzy

My thinking is how does he eat or do anything that requires to be maskless? Also do those mask just filter the pandora air? Doesnt ran out of anything or do they get more masks etc from the abandoned human base...

From the trailer it looks like they are rebuilding.

[BLMN]

Originally Posted by testmon112

I don't doubt that 3D IMAX HFR will be the sweet spot for this but I have a feeling audiences won't be as forgiving if the story is the same mish mash of themes from the first film.

Why not, isn't it pretty much what Marvel movies are all about ? and audiences loves it. Avatar 2 will be just fine then.

[testmon112]

Originally Posted by BLMN

Why not, isn't it pretty much what Marvel movies are all about ? and audiences loves it. Avatar 2 will be just fine then.

MCU is literally 28 movies deep. A bomb now and then won't sink Feige's ship. There's a lot riding on this one, over a decade later with one of the most successful directors of all time. Also just the nature of film discourse nowadays, online can be much more brutal. I think this sequel carries a lot more weight but maybe even a greater reward.

[CreasyBear]

You think people would learn not to doubt Cameron after how much shit he got in the lead up to Titanic and Avatar and then...both films ended up being the biggest films of all time upon their release.

[Farerb]

Originally Posted by CreasyBear

You think people would learn not to doubt Cameron after how much shit he got in the lead up to Titanic and Avatar and then...both films ended up being the biggest films of all time upon their release.

Director's names mean nothing today. Look at how West Side Story was Spielberg's biggest flop. It can happen to Cameron too.

[Zillamon51]

The trailers for the first film never did anything for me. Up until I was sitting in the theater waiting for the movie to start, I didn't expect to like it much. But goddamn, that Imax 3-D ceased being a movie screen, and became a window into another world. Amazing visuals. And since I wear glasses, 3-D usually doesn't do much for me. Seeing it in standard digital 3-D was a step down, and on TV I can't even be bothered. Cameron succeeded in making a true theatrical experience that demands to be seen in the best possible format. I expect the same from the sequel. I even actively dislike HFR, but in Cameron I trust.

I'm honestly looking forward to the rerelease of the original as much as I am the sequel.