The Official 88 Films Thread

[fuzzymctiger]

Originally Posted by stuartalex

The BBFC will cut horsefalls in westerns yet they leave the turtle scene in Cannibal Holocaust and I was surprised to see that Nekromantik appears to include a genuine rabbit killing which was purely for the purpose of shooting the scene so how does the BBFC justify this?

Horse falls are orchestrated by the movie crew and are cruel and damaging to horses, potentially leading to their putting down.

The turtle scene in Cannibal Holocuast, the turtle was eaten after and was killed a manner similar to natives I read, and the genuine rabbit killing was a professional job, similar say to how you'd prepare a chicken for eating.

[stuartalex]

Originally Posted by fuzzymctiger

Horse falls are orchestrated by the movie crew and are cruel and damaging to horses, potentially leading to their putting down.

The turtle scene in Cannibal Holocuast, the turtle was eaten after and was killed a manner similar to natives I read, and the genuine rabbit killing was a professional job, similar say to how you'd prepare a chicken for eating.

But the BBFC rules state or used to that killing done purely for the camera was not allowed and regardless of whether the turtle was eaten afterwards or the rabbit for that matter it was all done for the camera.

Horsefalls are banned today so what purpose is served by cutting them out of 50 year old westerns is a mystery. They've been done , they've been filmed so editing it out won't change anything except stop studios from releasing certain films here because they can't be arsed to make a special version just to cater for the UK. (Isn't this why Soldier Blue remains unreleased here?)

And what is all this nonsense about 88films offers not being available to UK residents.
Anyone would think HMV was a thriving company or one that sold online.

[Markgway]

Originally Posted by stuartalex

But the BBFC rules state or used to that killing done purely for the camera was not allowed and regardless of whether the turtle was eaten afterwards or the rabbit for that matter it was all done for the camera.

Exactly. I don't think the animals will feel better for knowing that they'll be eaten after their snuff murder. The BBFC used to be consistent on their interpretation of the 1937 act... now they've lost the plot.

[Dickieduvet]

Multiple copies of Mother's Day in my local HMV today, grabbed one. Watching it now

I see Dead Of Winter has been delayed a month, is that for added content?

[RandyK]

Originally Posted by Dickieduvet

I see Dead Of Winter has been delayed a month, is that for added content?

Most likely because they're preoccupied with the American Ninja releases.

[stephenwilson04]

Received Hollywood Chainsaw Hookers and The Boogeyman today. Can't wait to have a look at them both.

[Pizzamorg]

Mine are still a few weeks away according to Amazon.

[Takeshi666]

Originally Posted by Markgway

Exactly. I don't think the animals will feel better for knowing that they'll be eaten after their snuff murder. The BBFC used to be consistent on their interpretation of the 1937 act... now they've lost the plot.

Then again, they probably couldn't care less about whether or not their deaths are shot on film before they're actually eaten.

Also, was the UK blu of Caligula uncut?

[Dougling]

Originally Posted by stuartalex

And what is all this nonsense about 88films offers not being available to UK residents.
Anyone would think HMV was a thriving company or one that sold online.

That's only for the slipcase versions of the first two Toxic Avenger movies. HMV have those editions as exclusives, which I assume is down to a deal made with 88 Films. If there's a contractual agreement, they can't really go back on that, but they can still sell those items themselves to overseas customers. Also, those films are £7.99 each in HMV, so you are actually better off if you have a local branch to go to.

[Markgway]

Originally Posted by MichaelB

It's hardly "losing the plot" to scour the Animals Act for even the tiniest hint of wiggle room and then use that discovery as the basis for a more lenient interpretation - and the legislation doesn't mention clean kills: just visible infliction of pain or "cruel goading of an animal to fury".

I'm sure that turtle found it's head being hacked off painful.

I know I would.

[Craig666]

Any chance 88 Films can release Wes Craven's Swamp Thing:

Both cuts would be great: PG version and International version with more of Addrianne's boobies.

[NoirFan]

Originally Posted by Dickieduvet

I see Dead Of Winter has been delayed a month, is that for added content?

I assume so (or at least an attempt at adding it). This was posted a couple of pages back:

Originally Posted by 88 Films Official

We have been trying to track down someone involved with Dead of Winter who will give us an on-cam chat and it's fast becoming a losing battle sadly. We'll keep you posted!

[eddyw78]

Originally Posted by stephenwilson04

Received Hollywood Chainsaw Hookers and The Boogeyman today. Can't wait to have a look at them both.

Wow, how did you get those two so early. That is one awesome Saturday night tele session! Please report back. I am so looking forward to these.

[mattyl149]

I pre-ordered the next set of 88 Films releases in HMV a couple of days ago. I asked about The Bogey Man, but they couldn't find it. Is it down as The Boogey Man on the system? If so, I'll pop in on Monday and pre-order it

I phoned up a few days ago about Slaughterhouse and was told that it would be in last Saturday. It wasn't, and when I phoned them up again at the beginning of the week, they said they had some coming in this Saturday, but they were for other customers, and that I'd have to wait longer

I then get a phonecall on Thursday afternoon to say they got my copy in. I left work slightly early and went to pick it up :-)

[stephenwilson04]

Originally Posted by eddyw78

Wow, how did you get those two so early. That is one awesome Saturday night tele session! Please report back. I am so looking forward to these.

88 ship titles from their online store as soon as they get stock in, which is usually 1-2 weeks before the release date.

[stuartalex]

Originally Posted by Dougling

Also, those films are £7.99 each in HMV, so you are actually better off if you have a local branch to go to.

Which is my point.
I don't. Which is a shame as their prices on all 88films titles seems low compared to the likes of Amazon

[stuartalex]

Originally Posted by MichaelB

It's hardly "losing the plot" to scour the Animals Act for even the tiniest hint of wiggle room and then use that discovery as the basis for a more lenient interpretation - and the legislation doesn't mention clean kills: just visible infliction of pain or "cruel goading of an animal to fury".

I think the rabbit in Nekromantik having the knife in his throat was in pain. It wasn't too far from the similar killing of another tiny animal that they cut from Cannibal Holocaust

[stuartalex]

Originally Posted by MichaelB

Are you saying that you'd prefer an absolutely draconian interpretation of the Animals Act, with anything even vaguely hinting at an infringement being ruthlessly censored with no right of appeal?

BBFC policy at the moment is very clear: clean kills are OK, while anything that shows the animal clearly in pain isn't. This interpretation hasn't been tested in court, of course, but it seems to me to be a reasonable interpretation of the legislation - at least from the perspective of someone who'd prefer as little as possible to be cut, while still remaining within the bounds of the criminal law.

I hate animal cruelty of all kinds . I hate film censorship even more. But I find the BBFC to be inconsistent.
This type of material is banned from being produced everywhere now so I see no point in cutting it at all but if they are going to censor movies then either be consistent or just leave it intact as cutting it out serves no purpose whatsoever.

The cutting of horsefalls that we used to see on tv 30 or 40 years ago but now we can't is ridiculous.

The killings in all the cannibal movies are abhorrent but they happened decades ago.
Editing them out won't bring them back.
It's irritating that the BBFC hide behind some wordplay rather than speak straight.

They continue to cut content from R18 material that has been cleared by courts of law on more than one occasion as not being obscene yet justify the cuts as being "their current interpretation of the Obscene Publications Act" - the same act that was used to ban many of these films in the 80's.
Clearly their interpretation does not match the judicial system.

Its only because most people charged with certain content don't fight so it goes down as a win for the BBFC or the OPA.
Yet when people have fought and won they pay no attention and ignore the results.
You can bet your bottom dollar if it went the other way they'd be editing material straight away

[Markgway]

Originally Posted by stuartalex

I hate animal cruelty of all kinds .

I hate film censorship even more.

Get your priorities straight, mate.

[stuartalex]

Originally Posted by Markgway

Get your priorities straight, mate.

Sorry I thought I had.
Maybe I should have said "animal cruelty in films".
Does that satisfy you