Our Dancing Daughters (1928) coming from Warner Archive

[WaverBoy]

Originally Posted by BluPat

Why the F*** would we want that old B**** have ANYTHING to do with our Mrs Joan. Christina needs to do a commentary on how she lies out her ass because she didn't get everything handed to her.

Somebody needs to fix their irony detector methinks…also, if you think there’s zero truth in Christina’s tale, you might need to think some more.

[Gunsnroses092789]

Originally Posted by BluPat

Why the F*** would we want that old B**** have ANYTHING to do with our Mrs Joan. Christina needs to do a commentary on how she lies out her ass because she didn't get everything handed to her.

BTW, I got my Our Dancing Daughters Blu-ray in today!

Are you David Del Valle? That nincompoop also refuses to acknowledge the possibility (or even likelihood) that Joan Crawford was an abusive mother simply based on the fact that she was a great actress and he loves her.

[BluPat]

I stand by what I said. Believe her. Don't believe her. I, however, do not. I will always defend Joan Crawford. It is what it is.

Edit: I just find it odd that someone who claims to have been abused keeps reliving it every single day to squeeze out a few dollars. That isn't normal. I was molested as a child by my so called uncle and so was my deceased sister but I don't go on road shows making musicals about it.

[MidnightMovies]

Okay so...moving on, happy this got a release with a new restoration then.

[Randy Miller III]

Belated site review is live with 25 silvery screenshots. FANTASTIC restoration work here!

Our Dancing Daughters Blu-ray Review

[BluPat]

Wow those screenshots look beautiful!

[BluPat]

I remember seeing some of it on TCM a couple years ago and I thought I remembered some dialogue being spoken and whatnot. Is that true?

[Randy Miller III]

Originally Posted by BluPat

I remember seeing some of it on TCM a couple years ago and I thought I remembered some dialogue being spoken and whatnot. Is that true?

As I mentioned in the review, there's a little bit of background dialogue, especially in group settings like the party, which was probably recorded over the synchronized music for general ambiance. But the on-screen dialogue is just moving lips and intertitles.

[BluPat]

Originally Posted by Randy Miller III

As I mentioned in the review, there's a little bit of background dialogue, especially in group settings like the party, which was probably recorded over the synchronized music for general ambiance. But the on-screen dialogue is just moving lips and intertitles.

Oh ok, my bad. Thanks though.

[All Darc]

I know you guys will curse me for saying that, but the image is very soft or even blury, and shadows have crushing. Robert Harris gave it just 3.5, and I think he was very generous.

Scenes like this have no more true detail than a DVD mastered from sharpy footage:

https://images.static-bluray.com/rev...3_10_1080p.jpg

https://www.hometheaterforum.com/com...lu-ray.378336/

I presume the softness could be partially from photography direction intention, but maybe some early scratch conseal technic also turned the image softer. The sorce footage to the 4k restoration was a 1960's preservation master made from a lavender. In the 60's there was good film duplication stocks for B&W, and lavander (used in late 20's and 30's) had decent sharpnes and contrast, despite add visible grain. The extra softness it's too high for just 2 generations.

I don't understand why people see no problem with blured images and crushed shadows...
Maybe people got too used with such deterioration, as digital open TV broadcast it's full of such ugly problems.

Forgive me... I had to say that.

[jeangreyforever]

Originally Posted by BluPat

Why the F*** would we want that old B**** have ANYTHING to do with our Mrs Joan. Christina needs to do a commentary on how she lies out her ass because she didn't get everything handed to her.

BTW, I got my Our Dancing Daughters Blu-ray in today!

Thank you for saying what should have been obvious. It still pisses me off that a notorious liar like Christina hogged so much airtime on Joan's TCM documentary.

Christina's "truth" is completely unverified and has been debunked by numerous people, including Joan's twin daughters. Christina is the same woman who was sued in court for lying about the twins not being twins and they won that case. If Christina could lie about that, imagine how much else she lied about. Katharine Hepburn, Bette Davis, Marlene Dietrich, Myrna Loy, and Joan's ex-husbands were just a some of a few people who defended Joan and said Christina was a fraud. Myrna Loy even worked with Christina on a stage show and said Christina was one of the most unprofessional people she ever worked with and created a miserable experience for the entire crew due to her entitled attitude. Elvis worked with Christina once and was about ready to belt her.

There's a reason Christina waited until Joan's passing to publish the book because she knew it was all lies that could have been exposed had Joan been around. Joan knew what Christina was up to as well, hence why she wrote her out of her will. The same thing nearly happened to Bette Davis as well when her daughter, BD Hyman, thought Bette was going to die from cancer. The only difference here is that Bette recovered so she was alive when the book was published and able to completely debunk it.

As for Christopher, it's been well reported that he had real developmental issues from birth and would act out in bizarre ways so he's hardly credible either, especially considering how many encounters he had with the police as a youth. He was a complete miscreant, if not outright felon, and there's a reason Joan washed her hands clean of him since he was a menace.

There are also letters from Joan's twin daughters, shortly after the release of Mommie Dearest, as they were looking to write a book of their own in order to completely discredit Christina. A pity they never ended up doing so.

Finally, the biggest red flag about Christina's story is that if she was really a victim of abuse, she wouldn't go around the country touring Mommie Dearest revivals and play-acting the wire-hangars scene with drunk old queens while guffawing about it. I've never seen any abuse victim who would parody what was allegedly such a scarring and traumatic event. She knew she lacked acting talent and failed multiple times to make it into the industry, so she resorted to the only other outlet left to her which was to cash in on her mother's fame through her book.

[jeangreyforever]

Originally Posted by BluPat

I stand by what I said. Believe her. Don't believe her. I, however, do not. I will always defend Joan Crawford. It is what it is.

Edit: I just find it odd that someone who claims to have been abused keeps reliving it every single day to squeeze out a few dollars. That isn't normal. I was molested as a child by my so called uncle and so was my deceased sister but I don't go on road shows making musicals about it.

Precisely this. Real victims of abuse don't go trotting around the country cashing in on their victimization, let alone making parodies of it. I have never seen anyone who would take their childhood trauma and reenact it by playing their abuser in an over-the-top recreation the way Christina does with the wire hangars scene because she knows that's what her "fans" (and when I say fans, I really mean Joan's fans or Mommie Dearest fans anyway) are paying good money to see. She's not going to deny them their money's worth which is paying for all her bills.

She wanted fame and she got it, in the easiest way possible since she knew she lacked the talent and discipline to obtain it the more fulfilling way. Notice that everytime she wants to appear in the headlines again, she exaggerates the story more and more. I think the latest update I heard from her was when she amped up her story to claim that Joan should have been in prison. She's the same woman who went back and edited her book to embellish it more to add more camp to appeal to her target audience. Not so coincidentally, she took out all references to her own homophobia towards Joan's sexuality because she knew that wouldn't gel over well with her new base.

And I'm so sorry to hear about what you and your sister suffered from. It sounds awful what you both went through. In my experience, I've noticed that people who suffered from abuse can generally tell when someone else has as well because of all the tell-tale signs and patterns of behavior. Frauds like Christina don't just hurt the person they're lying about, they also devalue the credibility of actual victims.

[BluPat]

Originally Posted by jeangreyforever

Precisely this. Real victims of abuse don't go trotting around the country cashing in on their victimization, let alone making parodies of it. I have never seen anyone who would take their childhood trauma and reenact it by playing their abuser in an over-the-top recreation the way Christina does with the wire hangars scene because she knows that's what her "fans" (and when I say fans, I really mean Joan's fans or Mommie Dearest fans anyway) are paying good money to see. She's not going to deny them their money's worth which is paying for all her bills.

She wanted fame and she got it, in the easiest way possible since she knew she lacked the talent and discipline to obtain it the more fulfilling way. Notice that everytime she wants to appear in the headlines again, she exaggerates the story more and more. I think the latest update I heard from her was when she amped up her story to claim that Joan should have been in prison. She's the same woman who went back and edited her book to embellish it more to add more camp to appeal to her target audience. Not so coincidentally, she took out all references to her own homophobia towards Joan's sexuality because she knew that wouldn't gel over well with her new base.

And I'm so sorry to hear about what you and your sister suffered from. It sounds awful what you both went through. In my experience, I've noticed that people who suffered from abuse can generally tell when someone else has as well because of all the tell-tale signs and patterns of behavior. Frauds like Christina don't just hurt the person they're lying about, they also devalue the credibility of actual victims.

Thank you for your terrific posts jeangreyforever. Yea I'm no expert in Psychology, but as you stated, I have never heard of someone who was "abused" as a child and makes light of it with plays and ridiculous antics to make money. It's pathetic that so many people believe her BS. She is a disgusting POS that deserves failure at every turn.
Being abused is not something one wants to announce to the world and parade around making musicals and acting like it's funny. It's not. It demoralizes you. It certainly doesn't make you see dollar signs and wish to make stage plays about it. Christina Crawford was and is a disgusting creature who will NEVER, ever have the status of Academy Award Winning Hollywood Legend or Queen of Hollywood as our Mrs Joan Crawford did and does.

[All Darc]

https://www.quora.com/Memoirs-Did-Ch...e-she-suffered

[BluPat]

There are numerous videos on YouTube that consists of family, friends and fellow actors defending Mrs Joan. The Concluding Chapter of Crawford and ChristinaCrawfordLied are just 2 examples of sites dedicated to Joan's defense.
The supposed "wire hanger" incident was a crock. When Christina was under oath in her deposition in court about her lawsuit toward Joan's estate, she was asked several times about it. She said numerous times, "I don't know what you're talking about. I have no memory of that." So on and so forth. She kept denying that any of it took place. But out of court, she says it did. There are a number of close assistants Joan had that said Christina was terrible. Entitled, rude and downright disgusting behavior.
Her "stories" are nothing but bullshit lies. As I said, as any abused child, you DO NOT want to talk about it and go into every single solitary detail. And you certainly don't find it amusing by putting on plays.
Christia Crawford is an awful person. Joan Crawford was a great person, not perfect, but according to dozens of acquaintances, employees and friends, none of what Christina said is true. They all said she had a horrible attitude and felt entitled.
Joan Crawford is one of the Queens of Hollywood. A Legend in every sense. And was a good mother.

[StarDestroyer52]

Originally Posted by BluPat

Here is a link to a YouTube video of numerous people defending Joan and personally denouncing Christina and her BS.https://youtu.be/_2oUSy9x0Qw

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[BluPat]

Originally Posted by StarDestroyer52

Broken link

Yea that's why I edited the post and took it off. Anybody wants to see it just search YouTube.