Any rumors about Buffy the Vampire Slayer show coming out on Blu-ray?

[iank]

Originally Posted by theprestige85

How is Buffy's dialogue cringeworthy??? What exactly do you mean by 'try-hard' anyway?

Obvious stupid troll is obvious. And stupid.

Yeah, dissing Buffy in comparison to Smallshitville is very funny stuff. Utterly delusional.

[theprestige85]

Originally Posted by iank

Obvious stupid troll is obvious. And stupid.

Yeah, dissing Buffy in comparison to Smallshitville is very funny stuff. Utterly delusional.

I know, I know. I got beaten into that pointless argument even though deep down I had a feeling this bloke was trolling. Should have just ignored it.


Anyways, anyone else gutted that the proposed Ripper spinoff never got off? I think the BBC were in talks with Whedon about it but nothing came off it. It's a shame really as Giles is a character I never got bored of, even when there wasn't much for him to do in the latter seasons. They could conceivably still do it.

[GoldMotel]

Originally Posted by theprestige85

I know, I know. I got beaten into that pointless argument even though deep down I had a feeling this bloke was trolling. Should have just ignored it.


Anyways, anyone else gutted that the proposed Ripper spinoff never got off? I think the BBC were in talks with Whedon about it but nothing came off it. It's a shame really as Giles is a character I never got bored of, even when there wasn't much for him to do in the latter seasons. They could conceivably still do it.

I am. Although Giles' storyline in the S9 comic is pretty great. Too bad we can't have a filmed/animated version of it.

[slainery]

So I'm a troll/idiot for not revering BTVS's dialogue, not thinking the show was the best thing ever and finding qualities in other tv shows?

Hahaha!

[Show spoiler]

[theprestige85]

Originally Posted by GoldMotel

I am. Although Giles' storyline in the S9 comic is pretty great. Too bad we can't have a filmed/animated version of it.

I have to confess I haven't actually read the comics. I've heard that they are pretty out there and most say positive things about it, but it's just not the same for me as having the live version of the show. I did hear a rumour about

[Show spoiler]Giles dying in the latest comic, though

.

[KenHurd]

Originally Posted by theprestige85

I wouldn't blame somebody for picking season 3 as their favourite, too. It is a fab season and theres very little I can criticise it for at this point. I think it maybe lacks the emotional punches of season 2 and 5, so they get the edge there for me. But it's a great season and as consistent as season 5. The finale you mentioned is indeed memorable and up there with one of the best Buffy finale's ever. Is it just me or were the shades of Lindsey Anderson's If in Graduation Day??

I think my favorite season will probably change each time I watch it. Seasons 2, 3, and 5 are definitely Buffy at its best. Overall, I think that season 3 is the first full season after Buffy hit its stride, and therefore had fewer weaker episodes, but like you said, the emotional punches of season 2 and 5 are much stronger.

Originally Posted by theprestige85

I dunno man, i'm going to rewatch this season very soon, but i'm not optimistic. There were really only a handful of episodes I found interesting and the arc just seemed way too familiar and uninspired. Hopefully it'll be better than I remember but i was very disappointed overall in the direction of this season. I know that season 6 has it's cult (within a cult) following but I just can't imagine it improving all that much, especially the Willow witch thing. That drug scene was weak as piss.

Well, I do agree that season 6 definitely has its issues. But on re-watching it, I just found more that I enjoyed. I think viewing it again years after first watching it, and expecting it to be a rather disappointing season, definitely played into that. I also think that it's a season that works better when you can watch the episodes back to back, instead of waiting week to week and having long breaks in-inbetween. It's very different from all of the other seasons, and it does have some of the weakest episodes in the series. I consider Doublemeat Palace, along with Beer Bad from season 4, the weakest episodes of the series.

After Bargaining (which I thought was a great premiere), we got a string of weak episodes (After Life, Flooded, Life Serial, etc.), but I then we also got some really good ones (Once More with Feeling, Tabula Rasa, etc.). I thought that seeing a season where the characters made poor decisions and faced those consequences was something the show needed. The last arc in the season, I thought, was well done. It was great to see Giles come back and see just how bad everyone had messed up. And I loved how Xander was the one who got to Willow in the end. But at the worst, I would say that season 6 is just uneven. It's got some great highs, but it also has some pretty bad lows. Then again, I don't find any season particularly bad.

[GoldMotel]

Originally Posted by theprestige85

I have to confess I haven't actually read the comics. I've heard that they are pretty out there and most say positive things about it, but it's just not the same for me as having the live version of the show. I did hear a rumour about

[Show spoiler]Giles dying in the latest comic, though

.

That is true, he

[Show spoiler]is killed by Angel in Season 8 in a move mirroring Angelus' killing of Jenny Calender. Though he gets resurrected as a pre teen in Season 9.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by GoldMotel

That is true, he is

[Show spoiler]killed by Angel in Season 8 in a move mirroring Angelus' killing of Jenny Calender. Though he gets resurrected as a pre teen in Season 9.

I think you added your spoiler tab a few words too late!

[GoldMotel]

Originally Posted by chip75

I think you added your spoiler tab a few words too late!

Whoops. I'll fix it.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by GoldMotel

Whoops. I'll fix it.

Thanks. I usually forget by the time I pick things up!

[theprestige85]

Originally Posted by KenHurd

Well, I do agree that season 6 definitely has its issues. But on re-watching it, I just found more that I enjoyed. I think viewing it again years after first watching it, and expecting it to be a rather disappointing season, definitely played into that. I also think that it's a season that works better when you can watch the episodes back to back, instead of waiting week to week and having long breaks in-inbetween. It's very different from all of the other seasons, and it does have some of the weakest episodes in the series. I consider Doublemeat Palace, along with Beer Bad from season 4, the weakest episodes of the series.

After Bargaining (which I thought was a great premiere), we got a string of weak episodes (After Life, Flooded, Life Serial, etc.), but I then we also got some really good ones (Once More with Feeling, Tabula Rasa, etc.). I thought that seeing a season where the characters made poor decisions and faced those consequences was something the show needed. The last arc in the season, I thought, was well done. It was great to see Giles come back and see just how bad everyone had messed up. And I loved how Xander was the one who got to Willow in the end. But at the worst, I would say that season 6 is just uneven. It's got some great highs, but it also has some pretty bad lows. Then again, I don't find any season particularly bad.

You know what, i'm going to give season 6 another chance. My expectations are still low but based on what you said, maybe I will respond to it better. Giles' comeback in the last few episodes was very welcome though, and those last 3 eps definitely represented everything that's right about the show. Once More With Feeling is an episode, in concept, I enjoyed, but in reality didn't do much for me because I REALLY hate musicals I really wanted to love that episode and thought that maybe it could change my views on the musical genre and for it's creativity and boldness, it's the best musical I have ever seen, but it's still not for me. Kudos though for Whedon constantly trying something new and innovative with the television format.

I too don't find any season 'bad' per se. Season 7 gets a LOT of hate with people going as far as to say that it undid everything good about Buffy but I thought it had a good number of really good episodes personally. Definitely prefer it to season 6, although that may or may not change depending on how this rewatch goes.

Such a great piece of work this show is, well ahead of it's time. I truly believe it should be featured in any film/television studies course. I think that the overwhelmingly decent quality television programmes we have now are the result of Buffy The Vampire Slayer. Bold statement but I think it's a fair thing to say.

[KenHurd]

Originally Posted by theprestige85

I too don't find any season 'bad' per se. Season 7 gets a LOT of hate with people going as far as to say that it undid everything good about Buffy but I thought it had a good number of really good episodes personally. Definitely prefer it to season 6, although that may or may not change depending on how this rewatch goes.

I never got the hate for Season 7. I thought that the return to the high school setting really reminded me of the earlier seasons, and the final 6 or 7 episodes (after the last monster-of-the-week episode) really lead up to a great finale. I never read the comics that take place after the finale, but I thought that Chosen was a very fitting ending.

[The-Dude]

Originally Posted by KenHurd

I never got the hate for Season 7. I thought that the return to the high school setting really reminded me of the earlier seasons, and the final 6 or 7 episodes (after the last monster-of-the-week episode) really lead up to a great finale. I never read the comics that take place after the finale, but I thought that Chosen was a very fitting ending.

Personally, I think season 7 was a great season. However, I feel that the last half of the very last episode was extremely rushed and would have been better if they had done one more episode or just made the last episode even longer (so instead of a 40 minute episode make it a 60+minute episode).

[theprestige85]

Originally Posted by KenHurd

I never got the hate for Season 7. I thought that the return to the high school setting really reminded me of the earlier seasons, and the final 6 or 7 episodes (after the last monster-of-the-week episode) really lead up to a great finale. I never read the comics that take place after the finale, but I thought that Chosen was a very fitting ending.

Personally, I think season 7 was a great season. However, I feel that the last half of the very last episode was extremely rushed and would have been better if they had done one more episode or just made the last episode even longer (so instead of a 40 minute episode make it a 60+minute episode).

Very refreshing to hear that there are some Season 7 defenders out there. I honestly thought I was the only one who liked it I don't think i've heard anyone else say anything remotely positive about the final season.

I think what it comes down to is that The Slayer lore and the mythology behind it is sort of deconstructed throughout the season. Buffy herself is deconstructed. She's no longer the bubbly, bright quick witted girl from seasons 1-6. This a hardened, battle worn and, frankly, militant. She's less sympathetic than before and she doesn't even save the day at the end of Chosen.

It's a complete deconstruction of the American fictional myth that the individual can save the day and overcome all the odds. That the woes and trials of the individual should be presented throughout a series only for them to come out on top. The fact that the even less likeable Potentials are given Buffy's power only serves to reinforce that deconstruction. I know she goes through dark stages in season 6, but that's tacked on and her darkness is a lot more subtle in season 7.

It's not until season 7 where we find out that The Slayer is part demon and that might contribute to her intimate tendencies towards other demons and her rejection of nice blokes like Riley Finn. Honestly, season 7 puts a lot of stuff into perspective.

[Tyger]

Yay, this page makes me happy. I love season 7 and it always pumps me back up after trudging through seasons 4-6. The first episode is OK, but that reveal at the end always gets me so excited. It's sort of a Greatest Hits season, but with some twists and that works for me. I think Sunnydale High is an important part of the show.

I remember an interview Joss gave around the time Buffy first premiered where he said the show was like a metaphor for life in high school and from early in season 4 I've joked that I guess the metaphor now is life sucks after high school. But then here comes season 7 with Sunnydale High not only back, but more important than ever and it's a great season and a MUCH better finale than The Gift.

[Drewbee87]

I love that there's a thread in the Television section for Buffy to discuss the show, yet all the discussion is happening here. lol

[theprestige85]

Originally Posted by Tyger

Yay, this page makes me happy. I love season 7 and it always pumps me back up after trudging through seasons 4-6. The first episode is OK, but that reveal at the end always gets me so excited. It's sort of a Greatest Hits season, but with some twists and that works for me. I think Sunnydale High is an important part of the show.

I remember an interview Joss gave around the time Buffy first premiered where he said the show was like a metaphor for life in high school and from early in season 4 I've joked that I guess the metaphor now is life sucks after high school. But then here comes season 7 with Sunnydale High not only back, but more important than ever and it's a great season and a MUCH better finale than The Gift.

I don't think I would go THAT far. I agreed with your post up until then. While Chosen is a very respectable ending for the show overall, it's not a better season ender than The Gift. It wasn't just Buffy's death that made The Gift such a powerful episode, right from the extended seasons 1-5 recap through to that portal opening, the episode was an exercise in making a 45 min feature feel as big and as epic as a 2 hour film. Chosen has elements of that but it DOES have some pacing issues towards the end of the episode. The Gift does not. Theres a sense of fulfilment with The Gift, every scene in that episode feels like a payoff whereas Chosen wraps stuff up a little too dirty with certain characters getting more importance than others.

I love that there's a thread in the Television section for Buffy to discuss the show, yet all the discussion is happening here. lol

I think what you are seeing is, essentially, something of a birth of a kickstarted campaign for the release of this astounding show on television. The discussions with the various members in this thread suggests a level of anticipation for this show. You know how like people are excited for the inevitable X-Files blu ray release a few threads down? Same thing here. The reality of a Buffy blu is very very possible right now what with the green light of shows (and films) you'd never thought would make it to the format.

This is a show people have yet to see in it's best form. This was not just any show. This wasn't a 90's fantasy sitcom that people would tune into with their tea and biscuits, this was what I like to term, 'True Fantasy'. Not factual, but true. And by true, I am not just talking about Buffy using some vague teenager metaphor in attempt to seem interesting more relatable (i'm looking at YOU, Charmed). I mean that this show was about EVERYTHING and possibilities of film and television. Buffy, if you examine season 1-7, was about life. Horrid, beautiful, frightening, sexy life. Theres a reason why high ranking academics have written dissertations on the show and why 60+ year olds talk candidly about it.

We are talking about a show that pretty much challenged and explored television's possibilities for long term construction all the while producing individual episodes that were profound and strong in their own right. That's a stunning achievement, man.

The Wire, brilliant show, as important as Buffy, but it's novelistic structure means I cannot really just think about the episodes individually. I have to really think about the seasons as a whole to really gain any immediate pleasure out of it.

Conversely, and I know I talked a lot of shit about it before, but one of Game Of Thrones' strength's is how, it's pack in good episodes throughout it's (over) long narrative. Buffy does both of these things and does it extremely well. Like I said before, Breaking Bad, Game Of Thrones, Supernatural, Being Human (UK and US), Mad Men, House Of Cards and American Horror Story. These all owe a debt to Buffy The Vampire Slayer and the incredible talent behind that show. Not just Whedon, but the team he built while he worked on this large construction.

[Tyger]

I know I'm in the most minor minority there is thinking Chosen is better than The Gift, but I stand by it. I might be able to give you the structure and all the technical aspects, but The Gift just feels wrong to me as an end to Buffy. If the show really ended there like many wish it had, I don't think I'd still have as much love for the show as I have over the years.

[GoldMotel]

Originally Posted by Tyger

I know I'm in the most minor minority there is thinking Chosen is better than The Gift, but I stand by it. I might be able to give you the structure and all the technical aspects, but The Gift just feels wrong to me as an end to Buffy. If the show really ended there like many wish it had, I don't think I'd still have as much love for the show as I have over the years.

Well, they knew going into The Gift that Buffy would rise again on UPN, so I can see why you were slightly dissatisfied with it over Chosen.

[theprestige85]

Originally Posted by Tyger

I know I'm in the most minor minority there is thinking Chosen is better than The Gift, but I stand by it. I might be able to give you the structure and all the technical aspects, but The Gift just feels wrong to me as an end to Buffy. If the show really ended there like many wish it had, I don't think I'd still have as much love for the show as I have over the years.

I'm glad the show didn't end with The Gift, either. But only because I felt that Buffy had 2-3 more seasons left after it. Going by your comment, it seems like you feel that seasons 6 and 7 are as strong as the earlier seasons? Or is it just that Chosen does it for you as a finale??