Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yeah, it somehow slipped through my fingers in the VHS era. I must have rented 90% of the store’s output over time but not that one.
I knew it was popular because it was talked about a lot.

I just really struggled with it. It got off to a bad start with the car park fight. The enemy was supposed to be an immortal but he swung a sword like the drunk bloke who is last out at the bar. It didn’t match with the acrobatics and straight away I thought it was hokey and unconvincing.
I couldn’t take Lambert seriously either. Awful casting in my opinion. Mel Gibson would have been perfect.

However, it did have some really cool shots which looked great in 4K. Like you guys said, Clancy Brown was great.

Just didn’t connect with me, despite the awesome soundtrack.

Agree completely with this assessment. I remember renting the vhs back in the day and simply couldn’t get past Lambert.

[Boccaccio]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yeah, it somehow slipped through my fingers in the VHS era. I must have rented 90% of the store’s output over time but not that one.
I knew it was popular because it was talked about a lot.

I just really struggled with it. It got off to a bad start with the car park fight. The enemy was supposed to be an immortal but he swung a sword like the drunk bloke who is last out at the bar. It didn’t match with the acrobatics and straight away I thought it was hokey and unconvincing.
I couldn’t take Lambert seriously either. Awful casting in my opinion. Mel Gibson would have been perfect.

However, it did have some really cool shots which looked great in 4K. Like you guys said, Clancy Brown was great.

Just didn’t connect with me, despite the awesome soundtrack.

I think the popularity had a lot to do with the Queen soundtrack.

I never liked this movie either.

[Boccaccio]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Boy I sure hit a nerve with you guys, I guess you just want to stay in your Ancient Sheltered World of 4K Movie Discs. This is the point I don't think they are making that much on 4K Movies. Let's say to Produce and Replicate a DVD is around $3/Disc, at 6.5 x that makes 4K $19.50/Disc. According to the Revenue Report the Average BD which includes 4K is $20. That doesn't give the Studios much of a Profit. You said a Lamborghini, well those are Custom Ordered and not Mass Produced!

Those Restorations of Robert A Harris are impressive, and I'm sure very costly. IMO Producing with Art Work, Replicating, and Packaging a Disc is a lot more work than going Server to Server!

4K's are 19,50 to produce ? I see 4K's being sold for far less than that.

Here is an example.


https://www.rarewaves.com/products/5051892226820-tenet

I don't know how it is in the US but over here it is even illegal to sell with a loss.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Boy I sure hit a nerve with you guys, I guess you just want to stay in your Ancient Sheltered World of 4K Movie Discs. This is the point I don't think they are making that much on 4K Movies. Let's say to Produce and Replicate a DVD is around $3/Disc, at 6.5 x that makes 4K $19.50/Disc. According to the Revenue Report the Average BD which includes 4K is $20. That doesn't give the Studios much of a Profit. You said a Lamborghini, well those are Custom Ordered and not Mass Produced!

Those Restorations of Robert A Harris are impressive, and I'm sure very costly. IMO Producing with Art Work, Replicating, and Packaging a Disc is a lot more work than going Server to Server!

Myself, you and everyone else here knows you post this stuff just to get a reaction and then feign ignorance when called out on it. Perfect example is the "Ancient Sheltered World of 4K movie discs" statement above. This site is called Blu-ray.com, not streaming.com. So it stands to reason the majority of the visitors to this site are interested in your "Ancient" discs. To make derogatory remarks about the very reason for this site's existence is inflammatory and anyone with a modicum of intelligence would know that. But perhaps I am giving you too much credit. Either way, I'm done responding to your invidious behavior.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yeah, it somehow slipped through my fingers in the VHS era. I must have rented 90% of the store’s output over time but not that one.
I knew it was popular because it was talked about a lot.

I just really struggled with it. It got off to a bad start with the car park fight. The enemy was supposed to be an immortal but he swung a sword like the drunk bloke who is last out at the bar. It didn’t match with the acrobatics and straight away I thought it was hokey and unconvincing.
I couldn’t take Lambert seriously either. Awful casting in my opinion. Mel Gibson would have been perfect.

However, it did have some really cool shots which looked great in 4K. Like you guys said, Clancy Brown was great.

Just didn’t connect with me, despite the awesome soundtrack.

Oh, it's a whole lot of cheesy. I would never deny that. But it's one of those movies that seemed so awesome when you're young that you can't help but have a soft spot for it even after you recognize its obvious flaws. So I can see how it might not appeal to someone new to it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Ender14

Oh, it's a whole lot of cheesy. I would never deny that. But it's one of those movies that seemed so awesome when you're young that you can't help but have a soft spot for it even after you recognize its obvious flaws. So I can see how it might not appeal to someone new to it.

Yeah, totally get it. Felt like that about a lot of movies myself.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by gotmule

Agree completely with this assessment. I remember renting the vhs back in the day and simply couldn’t get past Lambert.

Originally Posted by Boccaccio

I think the popularity had a lot to do with the Queen soundtrack.

I never liked this movie either.

He looked drunk rather than immortal imo.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Boy I sure hit a nerve with you guys, I guess you just want to stay in your Ancient Sheltered World of 4K Movie Discs.

If you give me your address and shirt size then I will send you a “thick skull” (here) T-shirt because you deserve it more than any poster poster that I have ever come across. Most anti Blu-ray folks at AVS and other sites did learn the pros and cons of disc ownership vs EST but you appear to have learned nothing. For example, how many times does one need to point out streaming video from a server technology preceded DVD?

You are simply clueless about the entire process of content capture to disc for sale. Again, clueless about entire process of video from a CDN to an end user. Clueless

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Ender14

This site is called Blu-ray.com, not streaming.com.

It has been pointed out, more than one time, we disc buyers make this site possible because we click a title we like which takes us to Amazon and there we purchase. When we do this Blu-ray.COM receives a percentage of that sale.

These anti-disc folks know they are not welcome here but they insist on posting here anyway.

If your only purpose on this forum is to question Blu-ray as a format and bringing negativity to the forum, then you are not welcome.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Looks like Paramount is going all out for Dragonslayer (here). Really interested to hear the new Dolby Atmos sound track!!!

[Steedeel]

I finally acquired Bullet Train 4K, (they were out of stock last time I spoke to you guys), going to put The Fablemans on my list and also Crimes Of The Future.

Really starting to build my 4K collection now (will update collection when I stop being lazy)

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I finally acquired Bullet Train 4K, (they were out of stock last time I spoke to you guys), going to put The Fablemans on my list and also Crimes Of The Future.

Really starting to build my 4K collection now (will update collection when I stop being lazy)

I'm passing on the domestic release of Crimes of the Future, because Second Sight is releasing their own, which I will import.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

I'm passing on the domestic release of Crimes of the Future, because Second Sight is releasing their own, which I will import.

Yeah, I’m Getting the Second Sight release.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I finally acquired Bullet Train 4K, (they were out of stock last time I spoke to you guys), going to put The Fablemans on my list and also Crimes Of The Future.

Have Fablemans on my to view list. Viewed Crimes Of The Future awhile back, was sorta weird seeing Viggo Mortensen in that type role. Have several movies with Viggo in them, my fav:

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Have Fablemans on my to view list. Viewed Crimes Of The Future awhile back, was sorta weird seeing Viggo Mortensen in that type role. Have several movies with Viggo in them, my fav:

Will look it up.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Let's say to Produce and Replicate a DVD is around $3/Disc, at 6.5 x that makes 4K $19.50/Disc.

If we're just throwing out random numbers let's say to stream a movie costs the studios $5 every time someone watches a movie. That means the studios are losing money every time someone streams a movie.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Have Fablemans on my to view list. Viewed Crimes Of The Future awhile back, was sorta weird seeing Viggo Mortensen in that type role. Have several movies with Viggo in them, my fav:

When author Robert Parker died, his estate hand-picked Ed Harris' co-screenwriter, Robert Knott, of the Appaloosa film to carry on writing books in the Virgil Cole & Everett Hitch series. There are 11 total novels and Knott wrote 6 of them (starting with 5th book called Ironhorse), with the 7th one being released in 2024. They're fantastic and after watching the film, reading the books, it's as if Ed Harris and Viggo Mortensen are right there on the page, as well.

I remember a few years ago Ed Harris saying that he and Knott had also acquired the rights to the second book called Resolution, but would probably not be able to film it, since the first film didn't make much money theatrically.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

If we're just throwing out random numbers let's say to stream a movie costs the studios $5 every time someone watches a movie. That means the studios are losing money every time someone streams a movie.

Originally Posted by veritas

Except discs don't cost that much to replicate. The Smallville series cost around 110 dollars on release day. Its a 42 disc set so if discs cost as much as you think they do then Warner bros would be losing 76 dollars a set since day one.

The thing is the replication costs for dvds is closer to like 50 cents to a dollar each so ya a 4k disc may cost like 3 dollars. That sounds reasonable as we have 4k releases selling at 6 to 10 dollars some of the time.

Penguin at least you keep to the Thread and don't just throw out numbers. If you look at the YouTube Video it talks about the cost of making Discs. Veritas Box Sets are priced differently, and your pricing of 50 cents is only material. We don't have hard numbers, but $15 to $19 for 4K is closer to the actual cost. Yes some 4K's will sell for much less, but that's when the higher inventory has to make up for the loss.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by alchav21

We don't have hard numbers, but $15 to $19 for 4K is closer to the actual cost.

In other words: "I don't have hard numbers, so I'm going to use high numbers that make no sense because they support my point."

[veritas]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Penguin at least you keep to the Thread and don't just throw out numbers. If you look at the YouTube Video it talks about the cost of making Discs. Veritas Box Sets are priced differently, and your pricing of 50 cents is only material. We don't have hard numbers, but $15 to $19 for 4K is closer to the actual cost. Yes some 4K's will sell for much less, but that's when the higher inventory has to make up for the loss.

Again your numbers are silly. Resvervoir dogs 4k released at near 13 to 15 dollars which by your range would again mean they are selling the discs at a loss on release. Its pretty common knowledge that pressing discs isn't that expensive and that discs have pretty high profit margins. Its part of why stores like dollar tree can get a steady supplies of discs.

If you do math in your head and it comes out that a company release day intended profits margin is negative 33% perhaps you should go back to the drawing board.