Young Sherlock Holmes (1985) - Page 12 - Blu-ray Forum

Surge92 · 02-02-2023, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by James78

https://www.hometheaterforum.com/you...lu-ray-review/

That review pulls no punches. I was all set to pick up the steelbook this afternoon, but now I'm on the fence.

Katatonia · 02-02-2023, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by James78

https://www.hometheaterforum.com/you...lu-ray-review/

1.5/5 for the video seems a little harsh. I'd have gone "average" at 2.5/5 probably. It's not great, but it's not terrible either... it's certainly watchable. This is basically a "2007" Blu-ray transfer + Light DNR, but it is still better than the old DVD.

It's just a shame they didn't port over the old "Surround" track (even lossy would have been appreciated) and the utter lack of any bonus features at all. They are one of the most bizarre major studios around. They can do great releases, average releases, and sometimes truly poor releases. This just happens to be one of the "average" releases.

Paramount just sadly really didn't put any effort into this release. I'll predict that Dragonslayer won the coin toss?

andreasy969 · 02-02-2023, 06:38 PM

One can argue about the actual rating (I think 1.5 is well deserved by today's standards though), but the review is spot on really IMO.

Make no mistake and just in case the caps didn't show that already: This is a bad disc with shitty pq due to an extremely dated master - same as Bagger Vance. The only thing that looks decent are closeups really and even then we're still talking relatively poor because poor compression often strikes (often times baked into the dated master I guess). With long shots the pq loses it completely every time and those are just fubar by BD standards.

The only 2 things this release has going for it are the nice steel and "better than the DVD" really. People can find "the PQ to be excellent" all they want, but objectively that's a ridiculous statement really, sorry.

Mind you that I didn't expect anything better anyway once the aspect ratio has been brought up, which indicated dated master, so I knew what to expect, but I wanted the steel anyway, so stuck with it.

Ernest Rister · 02-02-2023, 06:40 PM

Have a question, looking for opinions...

Which came first...the CG animated knight-in-shining-armor in the opening title sequence for the Amazing Stories anthology television show, or the CG animated stained-glass-knight-in-shining-armor in Young Sherlock Holmes? If the former, why would that not be considered the first "CG" character vs. the latter? Didn't The Adventures of Andre and Wally B. precede both? And wasn't "Bit" sort of a character in Tron?

coupeskidoo · 02-02-2023, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Which came first...the CG animated knight-in-shining-armor in the opening title sequence for the Amazing Stories anthology television show, or the CG animated stained-glass-knight-in-shining-armor in Young Sherlock Holmes?

The stained-glass knight is the first CGI character incorporated into a live action scene in a film and meant to look realistic. Those others you list are CGI characters in an animated scene or cartoons in a live action scene. Bit is an 80s equivalent of the penguins in Mary Poppins.

lupinskitten · 02-03-2023, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by James78

https://www.hometheaterforum.com/you...lu-ray-review/

That's too harsh of a review. I didn't notice most of their complaints.

Glad I bought mine. It's a huge improvement on the crappy DVD transfer.

Surge92 · 02-03-2023, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by lupinskitten

That's too harsh of a review. I didn't notice most of their complaints.

Glad I bought mine. It's a huge improvement on the crappy DVD transfer.

I picked up a minty fresh copy at Target yesterday, but after reading the review, I was quite bummed out. So it's not as bad as the review makes it sound?

DukeTogo84 · 02-03-2023, 10:05 PM

1.5 seems pretty low. I thought it looked ok and more detail than a DVD. I'd say 3 would be more fair.

dr. wai · 02-03-2023, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Surge92

I picked up a minty fresh copy at Target yesterday, but after reading the review, I was quite bummed out. So it's not as bad as the review makes it sound?

No, it is not that bad. It is average at best. This is a very old master and there is some light DNR applied, but I didn't think it was bad.

Surge92 · 02-03-2023, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dr. wai

No, it is not that bad. It is average at best. This is a very old master and there is some light DNR applied, but I didn't think it was bad.

Thanks. I can live with some light DNR. I just hate sharpening and edge enhancement.

andreasy969 · 02-04-2023, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by lupinskitten

I didn't notice most of their complaints.

That's the thing though. Just because you didn't notice, doesn't mean it's not there.

MagellanvsHimself · 02-04-2023, 10:39 AM

The Home Theater Forum review is spot on, this disc is a travesty. I wanted this film so badly in HD (and restored obviously), but that's not the case here. Upon watching it, I found at times that the disc almost looked like an upscaled DVD, devoid of color, and does indeed appear to have DNR baked deeply into whatever dung heap Paramount decided to pull this from. Packing this disaster in a steel book could very well be looked at in this case like putting lipstick on a pig.

lupinskitten · 02-04-2023, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Surge92

Thanks. I can live with some light DNR. I just hate sharpening and edge enhancement.

There was no edge enhancement. It all looked rather "soft" to me.

But to each their own, I guess. I wasn't sitting there looking for flaws in the image, I was enjoying the plot.

lupinskitten · 02-04-2023, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by andreasy969

That's the thing though. Just because you didn't notice, doesn't mean it's not there.

But it "being there" in no way detracted from my enjoyment of the movie on BluRay, and for me that's all that matters.

Dan_Shane · 02-04-2023, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MagellanvsHimself

The Home Theater Forum review is spot on, this disc is a travesty. .

You are exaggerating.

YSH on Blu is no masterpiece, but "travesty" is not the right word. The Olive release of THE HALLELUJAH TRAIL is a travesty -- honestly unwatchable. My 4K projector produced a perfectly pleasant YSH image on my 120" screen.

I had to turn off THT on my 65" TV before the intermission; I don't think any studio could produce a worse Blu-ray experience if they tried. It went straight into the rubbish bin -- I couldn't bring myself to trade it in for someone else to buy.

YSH will see many repeat viewings, and a newer release would have to be substantially better in terms of PQ or extras to get me to repurchase. I am mostly happy with the one we got, and the old DVD is being recycled.

Surge92 · 02-04-2023, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by lupinskitten

There was no edge enhancement. It all looked rather "soft" to me.

But to each their own, I guess. I wasn't sitting there looking for flaws in the image, I was enjoying the plot.

I watched part of the movie last night. And you're right, I didn't notice any edge enhancement either, or DNR, for that matter. There was quite a bit of grain, in fact, although as you pointed out, the image is on the soft side. It's obvious right away that it's from an old master, but fortunately, it's nowhere near as bad as that review made it sound. Another poster mentioned that during the scene where Rathe and the older professor make a bet about Holmes finding the fencing trophy there is some noticeable wobbling or camera shake. I can confirm that. I don't remember it being present on the DVD. Perhaps, someone else can check.

Surge92 · 02-04-2023, 12:56 PM

I guess the aforementioned wobbling was there. That clip is presumably pulled from the DVD.

lupinskitten · 02-04-2023, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Surge92

https://youtube.com/watch?v=b5OImAcpVe0&feature=shares

I guess the aforementioned wobbling was there. That clip is presumably pulled from the DVD.

Oh wow! I didn't even notice it on the DVD, but I sure noticed it on my BluRay! It's like the camera man fumbled the lens, lol.

andreasy969 · 02-04-2023, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by lupinskitten

But it "being there" in no way detracted from my enjoyment of the movie on BluRay, and for me that's all that matters.

Fair enough, but others might care about quality and see poor pq when it's there.

Anyway, I did my job here.

Latheofheaven · 02-04-2023, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan_Shane

You are exaggerating.

YSH on Blu is no masterpiece, but "travesty" is not the right word. The Olive release of THE HALLELUJAH TRAIL is a travesty -- honestly unwatchable. My 4K projector produced a perfectly pleasant YSH image on my 120" screen.

I had to turn off THT on my 65" TV before the intermission; I don't think any studio could produce a worse Blu-ray experience if they tried. It went straight into the rubbish bin -- I couldn't bring myself to trade it in for someone else to buy.

YSH will see many repeat viewings, and a newer release would have to be substantially better in terms of PQ or extras to get me to repurchase. I am mostly happy with the one we got, and the old DVD is being recycled.

I have a tendency to listen to the guy with the 120"... uh, screen & projector

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02-02-2023, 06:38 PM	#223
andreasy969 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Aug 2008 Trading Score:91	One can argue about the actual rating (I think 1.5 is well deserved by today's standards though), but the review is spot on really IMO. Make no mistake and just in case the caps didn't show that already: This is a bad disc with shitty pq due to an extremely dated master - same as Bagger Vance. The only thing that looks decent are closeups really and even then we're still talking relatively poor because poor compression often strikes (often times baked into the dated master I guess). With long shots the pq loses it completely every time and those are just fubar by BD standards. The only 2 things this release has going for it are the nice steel and "better than the DVD" really. People can find "the PQ to be excellent" all they want, but objectively that's a ridiculous statement really, sorry. Mind you that I didn't expect anything better anyway once the aspect ratio has been brought up, which indicated dated master, so I knew what to expect, but I wanted the steel anyway, so stuck with it.

02-03-2023, 10:05 PM	#228
DukeTogo84 Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Aug 2012 Location:California 4K collection:80 Blu-ray collection:3998 Trading Score:117	1.5 seems pretty low. I thought it looked ok and more detail than a DVD. I'd say 3 would be more fair.

02-04-2023, 10:39 AM	#232
MagellanvsHimself Active Member Member since:May 2013 4K collection:98 Blu-ray collection:335	The Home Theater Forum review is spot on, this disc is a travesty. I wanted this film so badly in HD (and restored obviously), but that's not the case here. Upon watching it, I found at times that the disc almost looked like an upscaled DVD, devoid of color, and does indeed appear to have DNR baked deeply into whatever dung heap Paramount decided to pull this from. Packing this disaster in a steel book could very well be looked at in this case like putting lipstick on a pig.

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