The Anime Blu-ray Video Quality Thread - Page 149 - Blu-ray Forum

gwfb5 · 01-17-2019, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

So I watched the Bebop Movie at a friend’s house a few days ago. He has the FUNi BD. Here’s my impressions:

[Show spoiler]

Unless you’re an audiophile with a kickass setup, stick with the region free Umbrella BD. That also has 5.1 surround, albeit in Dolby Digital at 448 kbps.

I just recently blind-bought the Umbrella BD from Amazon.ca, and I paid a little less than half of what the Funimation SteelBook would have cost.

I've never been much of an audiophile, we just have a soundbar, so the Dolby Digital 5.1 audio will probably suffice.

I haven't seen the movie yet, but I'll probably watch it later on in the week.
If I really like the film, I may consider also getting the FUNi BD at some point if the price ever goes low enough.

pikagreg · 01-18-2019, 03:20 AM

Any thoughts on those Yamato screenshots? lol I am interested in what you guys think of the Funi set.

professorwho · 01-18-2019, 03:23 AM

Not bad at all. Not perfect, as I saw some banding on the 4th shot, but I see no major issues. Seems like a solid release.

Dailyan · 01-18-2019, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

The audio on the other hand. HOT DAMN. Lossless TrueHD 5.1 Japanese surround. Easily the best audio from an anime movie I’ve ever heard. Directionality is amazing, bass is heavy and earth shattering, and there are zero compression issues. The dub is just as good from a technical point of view, though it’s 16-Bit (not that it matters anyways).

Unless you’re an audiophile with a kickass setup, stick with the region free Umbrella BD. That also has 5.1 surround, albeit in Dolby Digital at 448 kbps.

Sony dropped the ball by not making this an UHD. Not only would the PQ would of been excellent but the possibility of an Atmos track would of been killer.

Gouki · 01-18-2019, 04:12 PM

Because there's such a huge market share for 4K Anime here in the States...

Also, if anything it'll be something like a Dragonball Z movie or other shonen title. And even then it would probably have to be a regurgitation of a Japanese 4K release, as I don't really see an American branch (especially Sony) dropping coin to process it.

Also, also, the 4K titles being released in Japan have not really been parade worthy quality wise. (HDR really is the main draw here, but given the formula of:

Does customer have/is:

A: 4K TV

B: 4K BD player

C: (In this particular case) Dolby Atmos capable receiver

D: Is an anime fan

E: Wants to re-re-re-buy a movie from 2001 (Not judging here, I bought The Fifth Element for the 6th time on 4K.))

I don't really see 4K anime taking off here until DVD finally dies, Japan becomes a 4K sausage factory, and Murica decides to spend money to license/process(lol) 4k.

(Don't get me wrong, I'd love to walk into Fry's and buy Innocence on UHD.)

Rozay · 01-18-2019, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by pikagreg

QUICK SUMMARY:

Disc Title: Star Blazers 2199 P1 D1
Disc Label: StarBlazers2199_P1_D1
Disc Size: 49,476,927,544 bytes
Protection: AACS
Playlist: 00008.MPLS
Size: 0 bytes
Length: 2:52:54.822
Total Bitrate: 0.00 Mbps
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 0 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: English / Dolby TrueHD Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 24-bit (AC3 Embedded: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps)
Audio: Japanese / Dolby TrueHD Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 16-bit (AC3 Embedded: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB)
Subtitle: English / 0.000 kbps
Subtitle: English / 0.000 kbps

Bitrate seems high for a Funi release and I assume it is the ED killing it off at the end. Here are some screenshots too.

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Thanks man.

Screenshots look nice to me, though I don't have the most discerning eye.

Think I'll pre-order the 2202 set.

Ajc228 · 01-18-2019, 08:42 PM

I’ve heard the Starblazers 2199 Blu-ray actually got a decent video transfer by Funimation.

NLScavenger · 01-21-2019, 05:19 PM

KILL la KILL episode #01 - AoJ BD vs Dynit BD

AoJ screenshot source: https://web.archive.org/web/20161025...blu.de/?p=2524

AoJ BD

Dynit BD:

Notice the filtering(?) in the last AoJ screenshot.

NLScavenger · 01-21-2019, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NLScavenger

KILL la KILL episode #01 - AoJ BD vs Dynit BD

Notice the position of the red kanji in screenshot #4, the position of the red stars on the boxer's helmet in screenshot #6 and the filtering(?) in the last AoJ screenshot.

AoJ screenshots were probably not taken properly. I could reproduce the problem in screenshots #4 and #6 in VLC (captured by using printscreen, paste in MS Paint):

I've deleted the screenshotcomparison link

professorwho · 01-21-2019, 06:55 PM

Wow. You found Aniblu. I've been looking for it ever since it went down...

Anyways, it appears that even with the improper VLC Screenshots, Dynit wins hands down.

(If we go by specs alone, Aniplex has an advantage, with a higher bitrate- 37.921 mbps vs 34.946 for Dynit, but in the end it really doesn't matter, as they're close enough.)

I may pick it up, it's just that I have no idea about the subtitle timing, so that will be some extra work for me (unless NLScavenger already did that).

NLScavenger · 01-21-2019, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

Wow. You found Aniblu. I've been looking for it ever since it went down...

The screenshots are still accessible on Aniblu.de. Links to the screenshots can be found on the wayback machine. I made a backup of the Kazé screenshots of The Garden of Sinners Limited Edition. The LE bitrates are really something:

[Show spoiler]

German standard edition was re-encoded.

Quote:

(If we go by specs alone, Aniplex has an advantage, with a higher bitrate- 37.921 mbps vs 34.946 for Dynit, but in the end it really doesn't matter, as they're close enough.)

AoJ bitrate is for the entire disc I believe. The Dynit bitrate is just for episode #01

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I may pick it up, it's just that I have no idea about the subtitle timing, so that will be some extra work for me (unless NLScavenger already did that).

I have a set of retimed subs.

professorwho · 01-21-2019, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by NLScavenger

The LE bitrates are really something:

You gotta see one of the Bleach movies they put out... it's really really something...

here

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chronoclast · 01-21-2019, 09:32 PM

The World Is Still Beautiful from Sentai has a solid encode, especially for having twelve episodes on one disc. Banding is almost non-existent and I haven't spotted any artifacting. The animation in the show itself is inconsistent as scenes go from relatively sharp to very soft with a bloom effect. Some scenes have a layer of digital grain added.

I'm up to episode 6. I found a QC error as the next episode preview after episode 4 is missing its subtitles. The subtitles have been fine otherwise though. EDIT: Actually the subtitles are there but they don't come on if the ED is skipped, it's a chapter stop issue. Episode 6 has the same thing.

mp3dom · 01-21-2019, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

(If we go by specs alone, Aniplex has an advantage, with a higher bitrate- 37.921 mbps vs 34.946 for Dynit, but in the end it really doesn't matter, as they're close enough.)

The IT bd was set to have 35 Mbps on average and 40 Mbps max. I've used a different encoder than Aniplex. The Aniplex one can be set to have both average and max bitrate very close, it still work as expected (I have the exact same encoder here and I've made plenty of discs with small difference between average and maximum bitrate in the past). The one used in KLK needs some "breath" to works in the right way, this explain the 5 Mbps difference between avg and max bitrate.

Regarding the filtering, it's common to apply lowpass filters on only complex footages/scenes, since this helps the encoder to lower the complexity and reduce blockyness/ringing or simply obtain a better compression with less visible artifacts (the filtering is almost unnoticeable in motion and/or without direct screenshot comparison). Anyway, KLK in the IT bd was not filtered at all.

professorwho · 01-21-2019, 11:24 PM

Again, thank you mp3dom, you are a god among compressionists.

Also, this is for anyone who saw Dragon Ball Super: Broly in theaters- did you see any colour banding? I saw some in a few of the darker lit shots. It’s not distracting, but if I wasn’t the only one who noticed it, that’d be good to know. Maybe FUNi’s DCP has different files than Toei’s (The credits were with English text, so it’s posisble) in the bulk of the film. Otherwise, it looked pretty good on the big screen in terms of clarity. It didn’t look 4K sharp- I assume this is a 2K (2048×1080) or 1080p master, but it looked great regardless.

Dailyan · 01-22-2019, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

Again, thank you mp3dom, you are a god among compressionists.

dannphou · 01-22-2019, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLScavenger

The screenshots are still accessible on Aniblu.de. Links to the screenshots can be found on the wayback machine. I made a backup of the Kazé screenshots of The Garden of Sinners Limited Edition. The LE bitrates are really something:

[Show spoiler]

German standard edition was re-encoded.

AoJ bitrate is for the entire disc I believe. The Dynit bitrate is just for episode #01

I have a set of retimed subs.

Lol... that’s really low bitrate for Garden of Sinners. So, how does that compare to the Japanese BluRay?

Footlong Shoe · 01-22-2019, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by professorwho

Also, this is for anyone who saw Dragon Ball Super: Broly in theaters- did you see any colour banding? I saw some in a few of the darker lit shots. It’s not distracting, but if I wasn’t the only one who noticed it, that’d be good to know. Maybe FUNi’s DCP has different files than Toei’s (The credits were with English text, so it’s posisble) in the bulk of the film. Otherwise, it looked pretty good on the big screen in terms of clarity. It didn’t look 4K sharp- I assume this is a 2K (2048×1080) or 1080p master, but it looked great regardless.

I wasn't exactly looking for it, but I don't remember noticing any banding. I was sitting really close to the screen though, and I'm pretty confident the movie is only in 1080p.

NLScavenger · 01-24-2019, 06:51 PM

FLIP FLAPPERS - Sentai Filmworks BD

Screenshots

- Audio -
Japanese: DTS-HD MA 2.0 48-kHz 24-bit with forced subtitles
English: DTS-HD MA 2.0 48-kHz 24-bit

- Episode 1 bitrate viewer report -

AVG: 21488 kbps | MAX: 35498 kbps

- Episode 2 bitrate viewer report -

AVG: 21505 kbps | MAX: 35059 kbps

- Episode 8 bitrate viewer report -

AVG: 21501 kbps | MAX: 36570 kbps

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannphou

Lol... that’s really low bitrate for Garden of Sinners. So, how does that compare to the Japanese BluRay?

I don't know, but surely the JP BD is better than this:

Movie 1

[Show spoiler]

Movie 2

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Movie 3

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Movie 4

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Movie 5

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Movie 6

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Movie 7

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Robbl · 01-25-2019, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLScavenger

The screenshots are still accessible on Aniblu.de. Links to the screenshots can be found on the wayback machine. I made a backup of the Kazé screenshots of The Garden of Sinners Limited Edition. The LE bitrates are really something:

[Show spoiler]

German standard edition was re-encoded.

Thankfully Garden of Sinners is streaming on Anime on Demand as well. The best official encode there is probably.

01-21-2019, 05:19 PM	#2968
NLScavenger Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Dec 2013 Location:Netherlands 4K collection:13 Blu-ray collection:696 Trading Score:9	KILL la KILL episode #01 - AoJ BD vs Dynit BD AoJ screenshot source: https://web.archive.org/web/20161025...blu.de/?p=2524 AoJ BD Dynit BD: Notice the filtering(?) in the last AoJ screenshot. Last edited by NLScavenger; 01-21-2019 at 06:46 PM.

01-21-2019, 09:32 PM	#2973
chronoclast Special Member Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 4K collection:133 Blu-ray collection:710 DVD collection:81 Trading Score:1	The World Is Still Beautiful from Sentai has a solid encode, especially for having twelve episodes on one disc. Banding is almost non-existent and I haven't spotted any artifacting. The animation in the show itself is inconsistent as scenes go from relatively sharp to very soft with a bloom effect. Some scenes have a layer of digital grain added. I'm up to episode 6. I found a QC error as the next episode preview after episode 4 is missing its subtitles. The subtitles have been fine otherwise though. EDIT: Actually the subtitles are there but they don't come on if the ED is skipped, it's a chapter stop issue. Episode 6 has the same thing. Last edited by chronoclast; 01-21-2019 at 09:49 PM.

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01-18-2019, 03:20 AM	#2962
pikagreg Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2014 Location:Southern California Trading Score:11	Any thoughts on those Yamato screenshots? lol I am interested in what you guys think of the Funi set.

01-18-2019, 03:23 AM	#2963
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:123 Blu-ray collection:704 Blu-ray reviews: 63 Trading Score:7	Not bad at all. Not perfect, as I saw some banding on the 4th shot, but I see no major issues. Seems like a solid release.

01-18-2019, 04:12 PM	#2965
Gouki Special Member Member since:Apr 2010 Trading Score:5	Because there's such a huge market share for 4K Anime here in the States... Also, if anything it'll be something like a Dragonball Z movie or other shonen title. And even then it would probably have to be a regurgitation of a Japanese 4K release, as I don't really see an American branch (especially Sony) dropping coin to process it. Also, also, the 4K titles being released in Japan have not really been parade worthy quality wise. (HDR really is the main draw here, but given the formula of: Does customer have/is: A: 4K TV B: 4K BD player C: (In this particular case) Dolby Atmos capable receiver D: Is an anime fan E: Wants to re-re-re-buy a movie from 2001 (Not judging here, I bought The Fifth Element for the 6th time on 4K.)) I don't really see 4K anime taking off here until DVD finally dies, Japan becomes a 4K sausage factory, and Murica decides to spend money to license/process(lol) 4k. (Don't get me wrong, I'd love to walk into Fry's and buy Innocence on UHD.)

01-18-2019, 08:42 PM	#2967
Ajc228 Active Member Member since:Mar 2017 Location:Mars	I’ve heard the Starblazers 2199 Blu-ray actually got a decent video transfer by Funimation.

01-21-2019, 06:55 PM	#2970
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:123 Blu-ray collection:704 Blu-ray reviews: 63 Trading Score:7	Wow. You found Aniblu. I've been looking for it ever since it went down... Anyways, it appears that even with the improper VLC Screenshots, Dynit wins hands down. (If we go by specs alone, Aniplex has an advantage, with a higher bitrate- 37.921 mbps vs 34.946 for Dynit, but in the end it really doesn't matter, as they're close enough.) I may pick it up, it's just that I have no idea about the subtitle timing, so that will be some extra work for me (unless NLScavenger already did that).

01-21-2019, 11:24 PM	#2975
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:123 Blu-ray collection:704 Blu-ray reviews: 63 Trading Score:7	Again, thank you mp3dom, you are a god among compressionists. Also, this is for anyone who saw Dragon Ball Super: Broly in theaters- did you see any colour banding? I saw some in a few of the darker lit shots. It’s not distracting, but if I wasn’t the only one who noticed it, that’d be good to know. Maybe FUNi’s DCP has different files than Toei’s (The credits were with English text, so it’s posisble) in the bulk of the film. Otherwise, it looked pretty good on the big screen in terms of clarity. It didn’t look 4K sharp- I assume this is a 2K (2048×1080) or 1080p master, but it looked great regardless.

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