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Old 12-07-2017, 02:21 AM   #3521
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In the year 1997, after crime rates have risen sharply, Manhattan Island serves as a maximum security prison for the entire country. The island is surrounded by a 50-foot containment wall, and the waterways are patrolled by police helicopters. There are no guards inside this city-sized prison, the inmates are left to their own devices, and no inmates ever leave the island once they arrive.

When Air Force One is hijacked while on the way to a peace summit and the President of the United States is stranded on the island, the police commissioner makes a deal with Snake Plissken, a Special Forces veteran who has been sentenced to the island after attempting to rob the Federal Reserve. If Snake can rescue the President within 24 hours, then he will be given an official pardon and allowed to go free. Snake stealthily lands on the island, and begins his search, but the clock is ticking, and a murderous gang, led by The Duke, has other plans for their hostage.

John Carpenter's 1981 dystopian thriller, Escape from New York, left quite an impression on me when I saw it on HBO during my childhood, because several of the plot developments seemed quite nihilistic to my young self. Snake Plissken, as played by Kurt Russell (The Thing, Big Trouble in Little China), is one of cinema's greatest antiheroes, and I was taken aback by several of his decisions when I first saw the film all those years ago. One sequence, where he calmly ignores a lady in distress, unsettled me quite a bit back then. My initial bewilderment notwithstanding, I still considered Snake to be one of the coolest action characters whom I had ever seen. During subsequent viewings of the film as I grew up, I realized that Snake was created by Carpenter as an embodiment of disenfranchised Vietnam veterans and that this film, as a whole, was written as a reaction to Vietnam, the Watergate Scandal, and other such news stories from the era that led to increased public cynicism and to an increased distrust of the government.

Escape from New York benefits from a dynamite supporting cast. Lee Van Cleef (The Good, the Bad and the Ugly) is tough and ice-cold as the police commissioner, and his early interactions with Russell are a highlight of the film. The always-amazing Ernest Borgnine (Marty, The Wild Bunch) stars as an inmate who survives Manhattan by driving a cab. The late great Harry Dean Stanton (Alien, Paris, Texas), whom I have always thought of as one of cinema's coolest actors, appears as Brain, an advisor to The Duke, who is played by none other than Isaac Hayes. Adrienne Barbeau and Tom Atkins, both of whom appeared in Carpenter's The Fog, are welcome additions, as is another Carpenter stalwart, Donald Pleasence (Halloween). Be on the lookout for the beautiful Season Hubley (Elvis, Hardcore) in a brief early scene on the prison island.

John Carpenter's score lends an eerie urgency to the proceedings, and the synth music recalls the director's soundtrack work with his earlier gang film, Assault on Precinct 13. The cinematography of Dean Cundey (Halloween, The Fog, The Thing) gives the nighttime cityscapes of Manhattan Island a dark mystique.

There has been a lot of controversy surrounding the presentation offered by this Scream Factory Blu-ray, but I am quite pleased with the transfer. The Scream disc and the MGM disc both have their ups and downs, but I think that the brighter look of the Scream disc does not sacrifice any of the movie's nighttime atmosphere. The audio presentation is truly impressive, and the score has never sounded better to my ears. It goes without saying that the supplementary features in this two-disc set are generous and wonderfully time-consuming.
Another great Owl post. Couldnít agree more.
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Old 01-22-2018, 10:50 AM   #3522
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"I caught a screening of a nearly pristine print of EFNY this April at Tarantino's New Beverly Cinema. I always thought the SF disc was strange looking, but damned if it wasn't almost exactly spot on to the 35mm print. The MGM is waaayyy too dark and the colors are off (to put it mildly). From now on, the SF transfer is my go-to, although I'm still glad I held on to the MGM for the original Dolby Stereo mix."

Interesting..

MGM DVD/MGM BD/HDNet Movies/Shout BD/35mm frame/UK BD


.. still prefer the Hdnet Movies broadcast which strikes a great visual balance.

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Old 02-07-2018, 06:49 PM   #3523
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Just acquired this item recently and wondering if anybody has noticed an issue with the sound mix in that the dialogue seems to be drowned out by music and effects sometimes, particularly in the opening narration. Even on the new commentary with barbeau & cundey, I had to turn the volume way, way up just to hear them, and the film audio track during the commentary was a bit too intrusive. Am I making sense?
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Old 02-07-2018, 06:55 PM   #3524
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Just acquired this item recently and wondering if anybody has noticed an issue with the sound mix in that the dialogue seems to be drowned out by music and effects sometimes, particularly in the opening narration. Even on the new commentary with barbeau & cundey, I had to turn the volume way, way up just to hear them, and the film audio track during the commentary was a bit too intrusive. Am I making sense?
I know what you're saying -- especially in regards to the opening narration; I've never liked the 5.1 mix. The movie only sounds "right" to my ears with the original Dolby Stereo track, which is only available on the MGM blu-ray.
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Old 02-07-2018, 07:41 PM   #3525
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Yeah, the Cundey/Barbeau commentary is almost a wash because I can barely understand what they're saying over the film audio.
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Old 02-08-2018, 05:46 AM   #3526
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I caught a screening of a nearly pristine print of EFNY this April at Tarantino's New Beverly Cinema. I always thought the SF disc was strange looking, but damned if it wasn't almost exactly spot on to the 35mm print. The MGM is waaayyy too dark and the colors are off (to put it mildly). From now on, the SF transfer is my go-to, although I'm still glad I held on to the MGM for the original Dolby Stereo mix.
I've seen a pristine print, too, and projected several of them, and the MGM is still the closest to what it should look like. The MGM is somewhat too dark, but the SF has way too much blown out contrast, bad aliasing, and green emission scratches right down the center of the frame in 4-5 scenes, none of which are present on the superior MGM transfer (from the same source, so there's no uptick in detail on the SF — in fact, because of shoddy compression, there's actually less detail in many places).

The MGM, while darker, has original audio and none of the video anomalies of the SF, and is still the way to go until someone like Arrow gives it the "Thing" treatment and actually does it right.
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Old 02-23-2018, 02:11 AM   #3527
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I was looking at buying Escape from NY (and the sequel) however now I'm just confused with all the stuff posted on the SF disc and the MGM disc I just don't know what to order.
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Old 02-23-2018, 02:16 AM   #3528
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I was looking at buying Escape from NY (and the sequel) however now I'm just confused with all the stuff posted on the SF disc and the MGM disc I just don't know what to order.
I was in your shoes quite some time ago. After reading numerous posts I ended up buying the MGM disc. I truly believe it's the better of the two. The SF isn't bad, it's just that I think the MGM edges it out. I prefer the darker look than the brightened up, increased contrast of the SF version.
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Old 02-23-2018, 02:18 AM   #3529
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Thats exactly what I did, bought the mgm plus kept my 2 disc dvd set for the extras. I wish I had the same options for They Live!
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I was in your shoes quite some time ago. After reading numerous posts I ended up buying the MGM disc. I truly believe it's the better of the two. The SF isn't bad, it's just that I think the MGM edges it out. I prefer the darker look than the brightened up, increased contrast of the SF version.
I recently bought this and have watched half of it on my ol' 720p Samsung that probably isn't calibrated well. In any case, I was totally engrossed and amazed at how it looked. I haven't seen it since VHS days. It brought back everything I loved about it as a kid; I always remembered the darkness and that Carpenter/Cundy ominous atmosphere. It works better than any zombie urban collapse movie I've yet seen.
I don't feel any urge to check out the Shout, frankly..
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Old 07-13-2018, 03:19 AM   #3531
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I like the SF release more, not overly dark.
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I like the SF release more, not overly dark.
I have to agee, The MGM disc is way too dark.
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Old 08-06-2018, 02:15 AM   #3533
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Shame the MGM version for the original mix isnít lossless though. Thereís no anniversary coming up, so Iím guessing that the chances of Shout ever repairing the downmix issue are nonexistent.
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The MGM BD is a tad too dark but the Scream BD is way too bright. Somewhere in between would be perfect.

Still the MGM BD is the way to go at this moment in time. The PQ is better and it has the original stereo mix.
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Old 08-06-2018, 02:31 AM   #3535
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The MGM BD is a tad too dark but the Scream BD is way too bright. Somewhere in between would be perfect.

Still the MGM BD is the way to go at this moment in time. The PQ is better and it has the original stereo mix.
I bought the Shout disc for the extras and the MGM disc for the mix, albeit lossy. I seriously doubt weíll getnanything better in the foreseeable future, unfortunately. Between this and their Mad Max disc, Shoutís problems with downmixes are really embarrassing, frankly.
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Old 08-06-2018, 02:34 AM   #3536
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We all know this will get a Steelbook re-release anyways.
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We all know this will get a Steelbook re-release anyways.
I donít know that. It would be nice if theyíd fix the audio track if it does, but Iím not holding my breath.
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I understand that the Shout EFNY release may have been a little brighter than it should be, but to my eyes I thought it looked just fine. The only thing that I didn't like about it was how blown out the computer text was during the David 14/Air Force One reveal. They could have at least toned that one cut down to make it more cohesive.
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We all know this will get a Steelbook re-release anyways.
Steelbook re-re-release
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Shame the MGM version for the original mix isnít lossless though. Thereís no anniversary coming up, so Iím guessing that the chances of Shout ever repairing the downmix issue are nonexistent.
Lossy, but at 224kbps it should sound pretty darned comparable to an optical Dolby Stereo release print (rumor has it that a magnetic L/C/R/S was stuck for previews but never saw a release).
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